USMNT 2021 Thread

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PatAg
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akm91 said:

He's getting some minutes but not sure if he's starting yet. I saw him sub in when I attended the FC Dallas, Real Salt Lake match last month.

Took quick look on FC Dallas page and he's been a sub in all 7 matches averaging less than 30 minutes per appearance. The last match, he played 45 min.
He's been coming on 2nd half, and getting more minutes each time. Every time he has come on, he has immediately changed the game like he used to. This last game where he came on at half, he looked like he was fully back.
3rd Degree, Buzz that covers FC Dallas, said he is expecting him to get his first start the next game which is after the international break.

IMO, Paxton continuing to progress will be huge for the national team. As much as Id love to keep him at FC Dallas, I really hope he moves to Europe after this season (assuming he proves he can play the rest of the year healthy)
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I'd really like to see the players who start tonight locked in and sharp. There is no excuse for a let down, because all of these players should be playing to prove they need to be at World Cup Qualifying.
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I think he would've been a January transfer if he had been healthy. Here's to hoping he will get a transfer this upcoming January, unless he tears it up at the Gold Cup which may open the door to Europe this transfer window.
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akm91 said:

I think he would've been a January transfer if he had been healthy. Here's to hoping he will get a transfer this upcoming January, unless he tears it up at the Gold Cup which may open the door to Europe this transfer window.
Before the injury I was expecting him to transfer after last MLS season as well. I know multiple big European clubs have been monitoring him for a while, one of which was named as AC Milan.

I hope he is at the Gold Cup, but FC Dallas may have requested he not be called up.
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Now we wait another month for Gold Cup games.
Rudyjax
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PatAg said:

Now we wait another month for Gold Cup games.



Got my tickets for the semis today!
Rudyjax
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PatAg said:

Now we wait another month for Gold Cup games.

I know it's unpossible, and it's good for depth, but I'd really like to see the A-team get more games together.

Especially with Adams healthy and Yunus in the lineup.

Bryan98
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No one's talking about how the USMNT B-team whipped Costa Rica 4-0 last night?

The USWNT are playing Portugal in Houston tonight, btw.
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Bryan98 said:

No one's talking about how the USMNT B-team whipped Costa Rica 4-0 last night?

The USWNT are playing Portugal in Houston tonight, btw.
That wasn't the B team. That was some of the starters and bench from the A team.

But yeah, that was nice.
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The guys from the bench are the B team; we don't have an actual B team (unlike, say, Barcelona).

See also Jose Mourinho's joke about the teams who could win the Premier League a couple years ago.
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Bryan98 said:

No one's talking about how the USMNT B-team whipped Costa Rica 4-0 last night?

The USWNT are playing Portugal in Houston tonight, btw.
there was a game thread last night.

...I honestly don't know if that was CRC's B team or what kind of line-up changes they made. CRC also played a semi-final on Thursday and the 3rd place match on Sunday.

I don't even know if some of those players were B team players - Dike, Weah, and Aaronsen looked damn good up top. Adams at #6 and Musah at #10 positions in the midfield looked damn good. McKenzie continues to grow up. Antonee looked better last night than last Thursday. Horvath looking more and more like a 1a or a 1b at GK.
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Bryan98 said:

The guys from the bench are the B team; we don't have an actual B team (unlike, say, Barcelona).

See also Jose Mourinho's joke about the teams who could win the Premier League a couple years ago.
We do...there will be a ton of dude called up for the Gold cup that aren't on the roster now.

Bench becomes starters and we call up dudes that aren't on the roster.

Starters Pulisic, Adams, Reyna, Brooks, McKennie Dest, Sargent, and Steffan will not be on the roster. That's 8 of 11.

So we need dudes that weren't of the roster to replace them.
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I don't even know if some of those players were B team players - Dike, Weah, and Aaronsen looked damn good up top. Adams at #6 and Musah at #10 positions in the midfield looked damn good. McKenzie continues to grow up. Antonee looked better last night than last Thursday. Horvath looking more and more like a 1a or a 1b at GK.
Exactly. They're not B team players.

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Are we giving most of the A Team the Gold Cup off to let them rest and save them for wcq?
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ChipFTAC01 said:

Are we giving most of the A Team the Gold Cup off to let them rest and save them for wcq?
I think most of the European-based players won't be released by their clubs due to timing. Euro preseason will be gearing up.
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ChipFTAC01 said:

Are we giving most of the A Team the Gold Cup off to let them rest and save them for wcq?
Most will be getting ready for their seasons. MLS players are in form.

And yes, save them for WCQ.

Bryan98
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https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4404692/gregg-berhalters-usmnt-b-team-beats-costa-ricaproving-depth-isnt-an-issue
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ChipFTAC01 said:

Are we giving most of the A Team the Gold Cup off to let them rest and save them for wcq?
More like their clubs would not want them playing in the Nations League AND the Gold Cup during their offseason. We want to make nice with the club teams, so we can get our players when we really need them.

So we used the Nations League as a camp to prep for WCQ with our current 'best' roster we would likely use for qualifying. The Gold Cup would be that next list of players they want to evaulate, and I would bet that at least a handful of players on the Gold Cup roster will be on the WCQ team this fall.

So much of our player pool is young, and has been taking turns being injured, that I think nothing should be viewed as set in stone for the entirety of the WCQ campaign, or the World Cup itself.
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Bryan98 said:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4404692/gregg-berhalters-usmnt-b-team-beats-costa-ricaproving-depth-isnt-an-issue
Semantics.

IMHO, the B team is players that weren't on the roster.

KCup17
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CRC isn't the same CRC of years past. They haven't won a game since Nov. of '19. Even if they had all their A team guys playing (idk if they did) I doubt the outcome would have been much different.
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Costa Rica drew Mexico over 90...

As far as their lineup, they started an identical team in both games the Nations League Finals. 5 out of those 11 started the friendly vs the USA and 3 came on as subs.
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Came here for soccer discussion and instead got a debate on what is and isn't a B team. Awesome.
akm91
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Aston94 said:

Came here for soccer discussion and instead got a debate on what is and isn't a B team. Awesome.
There's a sprinkling of soccer in between the debate.

Seriously, thoughts on what is the preferred starting XI and formation after this past week?

My preferred starting lineup if Adams is healthy:

G: Steffen/Horvath (it's a toss up for me)
D: Dest, McKenzie, Brooks and Robinson in the back
M: McKennie, Adams, Musah
F: Reyna, Dike, Pulisic

Dike seems to do a better job as target forward which allows us to play direct and retain possession if needed when can't build out of the back. Granted it wasn't in a competitive match but he showed pretty good control on the goal kicks.
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Aston94 said:

Came here for soccer discussion and instead got a debate on what is and isn't a B team. Awesome.
whoa there. Pulisic, Dest, McKennie, Reyna, etc. were on the bench after playing Thursday and Sunday. It was nice to see a line-up with that many line-up changes handle CRC so well.
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So took my comments post-Mexico, and have revised a bit after last night's game:

Thoughts on US Roster/Formation at this point:

1. Weston McKennie needs to be in the six position. He had so much influence on the game last night from that spot in the middle of the field. Tie him in there with Adams at the 5 position and we have a great midfield threat.

2. A 4-3-3 is not the best formation for our current roster. I like our formation last night more than the 4-3-3. With the 4-3-3 we just lose some of our advantage in midfield. Now it might be better if Adams was in there for a full game, but I prefer us having 2 central midfielders. I really think going forward a 4-2-3-1 with McKennie and Adams in the middle of the park is our best option.

3. I love Tim Ream and all, what a great guy and love him being a leader, but if I ever see him isolated on a wing with quick strikers again I will throw a shoe at the tv. He can maybe play left central defender, but never ever as an outside defender again. Looked much better as a CD last night, albeit against a largely disinterested opponent.

4. This kind of relates to points 1-2, but we have to do a better job getting the ball to Pulisic and letting him create. He had a bad game last night, but a lot of that is on Berhalter for not devising an offensive plan that gets him the ball in dangerous positions.

5. Gio Reyna is going to be special. As he develops he will help Pulisic tremendously.

6. I think Jordan Siebatcheu needs to start at central forward. He and Dike are the players we need in that role right now. I like Sargent, but he just does not have an impact on the game like Siebatcheu. Reyna, Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, and Dest can all create, so we need a presence in the central position to take advantage of their creative opportunities. Really like him and Dike at the tip of a 4-2-3-1 spear.

7. Mark McKenzie is young and I think will be a good CD, but his footskills darn near did us in last night. I am not sure he is the right person for our current roster in that role. I am not sure who is, but might need to try out others. Looked much more confident on the ball against the Ticos. Made a very smart foul for a yellow and played really well last night.

8. Was great to see Yedlin back out there. He had a solid game, very strong defensively. Great to have him back as a solid option on the right side.

9. What to do at goal keeper? Horvath was great last night, what an awesome moment for him to save that pk. He is a good goalkeeper, but he has real issues playing out of the back with his feet. We are built for possession from the back so I don't think he can be the long term answer unless he gets much better with his feet. Steffan needs to go play this year, whether it be a signing or a loan, we must have him play regular minutes.

Really curious to see where Horvath and Steffen go this summer. Zach might feel pressure for playing time rather than sitting at #2 for City.

10. Lleget disappeared against stronger competition. I need to go back and rewatch the game, but I don't recall at any point last night him making a significant difference on the pitch. I don't think he can be in the starting Xi or even a critical sub for a WC contending team.

Was solid last night, but not spectacular. Lleget should be a depth guy but I don't see him as a long term starter.

11. Acosta is absolutely a key contributor for this squad now. So versatile and played well last night. I like him off the bench as a sub.

12. Wish we would have gotten to see more of Musah on the pitch. Hopefully he plays a lot on Wednesday v. Costa Rica.

He did and was fun to watch out there. He did have spells where he disappeared, but overall had a good game and was good in the attack.

13. Sure Starters every time the ball is rolled out in a meaningful game: Pulisic, Reyna, McKennie, Adams, Dest, Brooks, Yedlin (?). Based on our depth I would now add McKenzie to this list.

14. Spots available: Forward (Siebatcheu or Dike?), Left mid (Musah?), Central defender (?), keeper (hopefully Steffan, but he needs minutes, a lot of minutes).

Aaronson needs more minutes as well.

15. Nice bench depth: Aaronson, Cannon, Robinson, Acosta, Sargent, Weah, Lleget.


16. Not ready for prime time: McKenzie, Yuiell, Ream, Miazga (?)

Will Remove McKenzie from this list, was maybe too harsh on him for his mistakes v. Mex.
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Obviously, the European players are the A Team - and the MSL players are the B Team !









akm91
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If Adams is not available, would you put Musah in as the other 6 to partner with McKennie or Acosta?

We definitely need a backup for Brooks besides just Ream.
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akm91 said:

Aston94 said:

Came here for soccer discussion and instead got a debate on what is and isn't a B team. Awesome.
There's a sprinkling of soccer in between the debate.

Seriously, thoughts on what is the preferred starting XI and formation after this past week?

My preferred starting lineup if Adams is healthy:

G: Steffen/Horvath (it's a toss up for me)
D: Dest, McKenzie, Brooks and Robinson in the back
M: McKennie, Adams, Musah
F: Reyna, Dike, Pulisic

Dike seems to do a better job as target forward which allows us to play direct and retain possession if needed when can't build out of the back. Granted it wasn't in a competitive match but he showed pretty good control on the goal kicks.
100% agree on that midfield in a 4-3-3. Super strong. All three. A drop off when we start getting to Yuiell and Lleget and Acosta. Need to develop some depth in the MF.

I'd like to see Chris Richards and Aaron Long get healthy and mix in at CB and I still think Miazga is better than McKenzie for now, but McKenzie's future is very bright and these last three matches were very important for him. Brooks is great in the air and technically, but his lack of recovery speed scares me. So i'm not dead set on any of our CBs right now. Ream did well v CRC, but I don't think he's great, yet he still might be our top #5 as a lefty. I don't think Zimmerman is it. How is CCV coming along? Who else is in the pipeline?

I do really want Antonee to be the MAN at #3 do Dest can stay at #2 and I think Antonee had a strong performance last night. ..but even if Dest is the best 3 we have and we end up starting Cannon or Yedlin at 2, that's ok.

Reyna and Pulisic are probably our best wingers, but it's going to be tough to keep putting Weah on the bench. Aaronsen has impressed some as well. Do Jordan Morris or Paul Arriola still have spots when they recover?

At #9, I'm not set on Dike, Pefok, or Sargent. I like them all equally- they all do different things well, and I hope some more dudes keep coming up to challenge them.



akm91
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We definitely need to get Long and Richards healthy as they are the two fastest CB's we have. My understanding is that CCV still needs lots of improvement on playing with the ball at his feet but defensively he's held up well in the Championship. I'm wondering what's keeping EPB from getting a look as well, as he was pretty solid in Austria.

Pomykal was a promising backup until he basically lost November, January and March windows due to injuries. Hopefully he'll be back to full strength and gets a chance to compete for backup minutes in the midfield as an 8.

I would say that Morris is probably still a viable depth guy if he doesn't lose his speed. I don't think Ariola brings the attacking skillset that Berhalter is looking for from his wingers to be higher than 6th on the depth chart.
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PatAg
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The next year and a half is going to be interesting, I think it is very likely 6-10 players will push into that world cup roster that aren't currently there right now.
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PatAg said:

The next year and a half is going to be interesting, I think it is very likely 6-10 players will push into that world cup roster that aren't currently there right now.


I'm on record that the star of the '26 World Cup team is a '07.
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I am actually getting optimistic about US soccer again, and that scares me.
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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

The next year and a half is going to be interesting, I think it is very likely 6-10 players will push into that world cup roster that aren't currently there right now.


I'm on record that the star of the '26 World Cup team is a '07.
Considering a guy like Reyna is 18 and starring right now, 07's are 13 or 14 years old right now, so that's certainly possible for 2026 when they'll be 18-19
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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

The next year and a half is going to be interesting, I think it is very likely 6-10 players will push into that world cup roster that aren't currently there right now.


I'm on record that the star of the '26 World Cup team is a '07.
I don't know about that. Majority of the current starters/contributors of the team will be in their primes

Starters:
Pulisc: 27
Adams: 27
McKennie: 27
Reyna: 23
Dest: 25
Steffen: 31

Contributors:
Dike: 26
Sargent: 26
Musah: 23
Weah: 26
Richards: 26
McKenzie: 27
Aaronson: 25
Horvath: 31
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akm91 said:

Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

The next year and a half is going to be interesting, I think it is very likely 6-10 players will push into that world cup roster that aren't currently there right now.


I'm on record that the star of the '26 World Cup team is a '07.
I don't know about that. Majority of the current starters/contributors of the team will be in their primes

Starters:
Pulisc: 27
Adams: 27
McKennie: 27
Reyna: 23
Dest: 25
Steffen: 31

Contributors:
Dike: 26
Sargent: 26
Musah: 23
Weah: 26
Richards: 26
McKenzie: 27
Aaronson: 25
Horvath: 3
That's the scary good part about that idea, isn't it?

Imagine a kid like Mbappe with that talent.



 
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