***** 2025-2026 San Antonio Spurs Thread *****

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Whatever the max is for Kawhi, including a possible ban, should be given. (I know GSoup gave the CBA punishment earlier but I couldn't find it)


Max For Clippers:

* 1y ban for Ballmer and anyone else involved
* $7.5M fine
* Loss of draft picks (unspecified number)

Max for Kawhi:

* Forced to pay back all things of value received from Aspiration
* Contract voided (2y100MM left)
* 350k fine

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I don't know what is a great punishment for the Clippers, but maybe they should have to operate at 85% of the salary cap (and aprons) until they have their own first-round pick again. And then lose a couple after that.

Not possible. And the players don't want a team to operate at below the salary cap, because that means they won't have the money to give to players. Only time a team operates under salary cap is first two years of an expansion team.
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Just wild to have this hanging out there until February. Also the ASG is being played at Ballmer Stadium.
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My prediction of worst case scenario for LAC:

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Clippers:

No bans
$7.5M fine
Loss of draft picks - they lose both draft picks the next year they control them.

Kawhi:
Forced to pay back all things of value received from Aspiration
350k fine
Keeps contract
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This fits with the rug sweeping theory. Just let the story get swept away in the sands of time. Pablo is dedicated, but probably not enough to beat this drum for 6 more months just to take down Ballmer and the Clippers.

I'm beginning to suspect that all teams might have some sort of situation of sorts to funnel extra money to guys. Some of these situations might be mostly above board and not be no-show guarantees, but the owners all have deep connections with other rich people and we know that teams like the Knicks and Lakers always sell free agents on the ability to make extra money off the court. I bet they don't want their books examined too closely either to see what extra arrangements were made for someone like Jalen Brunson who took less money to stay in New York. (Not suggesting Brunson is getting funnelled extra money, but it's rare for a guy to take less so it would at least interest me to see the other ways he's being compensated)
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AggieEP said:

This fits with the rug sweeping theory. Just let the story get swept away in the sands of time. Pablo is dedicated, but probably not enough to beat this drum for 6 more months just to take down Ballmer and the Clippers.

I'm beginning to suspect that all teams might have some sort of situation of sorts to funnel extra money to guys. Some of these situations might be mostly above board and not be no-show guarantees, but the owners all have deep connections with other rich people and we know that teams like the Knicks and Lakers always sell free agents on the ability to make extra money off the court. I bet they don't want their books examined too closely either to see what extra arrangements were made for someone like Jalen Brunson who took less money to stay in New York. (Not suggesting Brunson is getting funnelled extra money, but it's rare for a guy to take less so it would at least interest me to see the other ways he's being compensated)

Pablo has already stated that he is investigating Brunson to the Knicks. He is 2x All-NBA 2nd team and just took $113M under the max on what is probably his last major deal because it is unlikely he is still very effective past his age 32 season.

I would not be at all surprised if the Spurs had deals with the Big 3 to take lesser salaries to build depth. I think Dirk pretty clearly did this.

So I think none of the teams want their dirt to be looked into, but at the same time, they also know they will never be able to outspend Ballmer.
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What is a bigger punishment for the Clippers: Kawhi's contract voided or Kawhi stays with Clippers on that contract, playing whenever he wants.
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Iowaggie said:

What is a bigger punishment for the Clippers: Kawhi's contract voided or Kawhi stays with Clippers on that contract, playing whenever he wants.

I think that is a tough one. I think voiding the contract is a net positive for the Clippers. He played 37 games last year. Under 1200 minutes. He is 34yo.

Voiding his contract is a massive negative for Kawhi, since no one has cap space for him. If he takes $14M from the Bulls, that's a 36M haircut on this season, then he likely doesn't get $50M next year.

But I think Kawhi likely makes the Lakers trade away some cash to get vet min space under the hard cap and then they sign Kawhi. I think that's a massive punishment to the rest of the league. Like Lakers could trade Dalton Knecht to the Spurs for a couple of 2nds and not take any cap back and then sign Kawhi. Then Spurs just cut or trade Lindy Waters.

My guess is teams don't think the Clippers with Kawhi are THAT scary. How much can they count on their roster?

Center:

Zubac: He's 28, reliable and a great rim protector.
Brook Lopez: 37yo, good rim protector/stretch big, but can exploit his lack of mobility. Has been very healthy last 3 years.

F:

John Collins: Fills up stat sheets on bad teams, makes bone headed plays
Kawhi: Pretty elite when he plays. But that's about half the time. 37 games last year. 34yo.
DJJ: Solid defender, does the little things.
Nic Batum: 37yo, put up 4/3 last year

G:

Harden: 36yo. Still put up All-NBA numbers last year. What kind of shape will he be in?
Bogi: 33yo, shot well in LA last year, but was so awful in Atlanta before.
CP3: Still a good passer that can hit mid range, but can't get to the rim and doesn't have the burst and cant stay in front of guys.
Beal: hurt all the time. Attitude problems. Still a good scorer at 32. Awful defensively.

They have Kawhi, Zubac and DJJ, but defense outside those three is pretty awful. When healthy, they could be good, but they are clearly on a quick decline.
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Kawhi not in any highlights.



The official Clippers account hasn't acknowledged that Kawhi is on the team since August 27th.
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Let me interrupt Kawhi ****posting for Hollinger's most underrated moves of the summer.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6626889/2025/09/17/nba-signings-contracts/

Spurs' signing of Luke Kornet

This one kind of flew under the radar because it occurred in the opening flurry of free-agent deals. Still, the Spurs' landing of Kornet with the bulk of their non-taxpayer midlevel exception (four years, $41 million) was a strong piece of business. On straight valuation, San Antonio didn't get a huge bargain (BORD$ values Kornet at $12.7 million for this season; he'll make $11 million), but the details of the contract and the fit in San Antonio both line up strongly in the Spurs' favor.

For starters, San Antonio wisely targeted a player it knew wouldn't be retained by his original team (the Boston Celtics were in cost-cutting mode). Kornet also fit the Spurs' need for a banger to play behind and occasionally alongside Victor Wembanyama absolutely perfectly. Process-wise, it's a 180-degree turn from the Zach Collins Extension Fever Dream.

Kornet isn't breaking the bank in the present, but the real gem of the deal is all the future flexibility it allows. For starters, the money descends year-to-year over the four-year deal to $9.35 million over the final season in 2028-29. Thus, as the rest of the young Spurs roster likely becomes more expensive, Kornet becomes less so. Second, the final two years are only partially guaranteed at $2.55 million apiece (with the final year also including a team option). Hence, the Spurs' worst-case scenario beyond this season is an exposure of just $13 million.

Having those outs on the back end of the contract is essential because Kornet is already 30; too many teams erroneously give extra years to rotation players just as they age into being replacement-level or worse. The Spurs have insulated themselves from the worst case of a long-term deal while still having a long-term contract. Finally, Kornet is unlikely to become shorter than 7 feet 2 in the next four years, which should help him maintain value.
Regardless of where he's being paid, Kornet doesn't need to provide starter-level value; he has to be a plus rotation player, which he's already proved he can do. Solid work all around.
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" Finally, Kornet is unlikely to become shorter than 7 feet 2 in the next four years, which should help him maintain value "

This is good journalism!
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Obi Wan Ginobili said:

" Finally, Kornet is unlikely to become shorter than 7 feet 2 in the next four years, which should help him maintain value "

This is good journalism!

Which contrasts with KOC, who has Keldon starting for us and thinks we should trade Fox right away because he and Wemby didn't play super well in 6 games where Wemby had blood clots and Fox had never been to practice.

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Not Spurs news, but…
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Nothing really new, but KOC showed a clause that lets the NBA demand all Kawhi's tax returns to investigate this. What if they discovery massive tax fraud?

Also KOC talks about FVV
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Nothing really new, but KOC showed a clause that lets the NBA demand all Kawhi's tax returns to investigate this. What if they discovery massive tax fraud?

Also KOC talks about FVV


What if they discover even more Kawhi under the table payments

BURN IT TO THE GROUND
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All this spurs big event hype for tomorrow and it's just gonna end up a new sponsor patch on the jersey right?
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Did they photoshop Zion onto Herb's body or are we actually getting skinny Zion?



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NBA top ten players by ESPN:

ESPN's top 10 players in the NBA this season:
[ol]
  • Nikola Jokic
  • Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
  • Luka Doncic
  • Giannis Antetokounmpo
  • Victor Wembanyama
  • Anthony Edwards
  • Stephen Curry
  • LeBron James
  • Kevin Durant
  • Jalen Brunson
  • [/ol]

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46306892/nba-rank-2025-rankings-top-10-players-jokic-durant-lebron

    2024 NBA Rank: 11

    Wembanyama certainly looks like he's ready to roll. The San Antonio Spurs recently visited Ingram Tom Moore High School, an area hit hard by devastating floods that swept through the Texas Hill Country back in July, and Wembanyama led the team through an abbreviated workout in front of the students. Tossing the basketball off the backboard, Wembanyama jumped to catch it before putting it through his legs and slamming home a thunderous dunk that whipped the spectators into a frenzy. Wembanyama made it look easy.

    Biggest question: Will Wembanyama's whirlwind summer pay dividends this season?

    It should. After sitting out the final 30 games of last season because of deep vein thrombosis, Wembanyama received a clean bill of health in July during a busy summer in which the 21-year-old trained for 10 days at a Shaolin temple in Zhengzhou, China, and worked with Hall of Fame big men Kevin Garnett and Hakeem Olajuwon. It's a safe bet that Wembanyama's work with Garnett will instill a little more aggressiveness into the Frenchman's game, while Olajuwon likely schooled the third-year Spur in the sweet footwork and post moves that made the 12-time All-Star virtually unstoppable for 18 seasons in the NBA. Wembanyama believes that some of the moves performed during his Kung Fu training in China mimic what he'll be doing on the court. -- Wright

    Signature stat: Victor Wembanyama became the third player with a 5x5 game, a 10-block game and a 50-point game in the same season since blocks/steals became official in 1973-74, joining 1992-93 David Robinson and 1989-90 Hakeem Olajuwon.

    Fantasy projection: 24.7 PTS, 11.5 REB, 4.0 BLK

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    Guitarsoup said:

    NBA top ten players by ESPN:

    ESPN's top 10 players in the NBA this season:
    [ol]
  • Nikola Jokic
  • Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
  • Luka Doncic
  • Giannis Antetokounmpo
  • Victor Wembanyama
  • Anthony Edwards
  • Stephen Curry
  • LeBron James
  • Kevin Durant
  • Jalen Brunson
  • [/ol]

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46306892/nba-rank-2025-rankings-top-10-players-jokic-durant-lebron

    2024 NBA Rank: 11

    Wembanyama certainly looks like he's ready to roll. The San Antonio Spurs recently visited Ingram Tom Moore High School, an area hit hard by devastating floods that swept through the Texas Hill Country back in July, and Wembanyama led the team through an abbreviated workout in front of the students. Tossing the basketball off the backboard, Wembanyama jumped to catch it before putting it through his legs and slamming home a thunderous dunk that whipped the spectators into a frenzy. Wembanyama made it look easy.

    Biggest question: Will Wembanyama's whirlwind summer pay dividends this season?

    It should. After sitting out the final 30 games of last season because of deep vein thrombosis, Wembanyama received a clean bill of health in July during a busy summer in which the 21-year-old trained for 10 days at a Shaolin temple in Zhengzhou, China, and worked with Hall of Fame big men Kevin Garnett and Hakeem Olajuwon. It's a safe bet that Wembanyama's work with Garnett will instill a little more aggressiveness into the Frenchman's game, while Olajuwon likely schooled the third-year Spur in the sweet footwork and post moves that made the 12-time All-Star virtually unstoppable for 18 seasons in the NBA. Wembanyama believes that some of the moves performed during his Kung Fu training in China mimic what he'll be doing on the court. -- Wright

    Signature stat: Victor Wembanyama became the third player with a 5x5 game, a 10-block game and a 50-point game in the same season since blocks/steals became official in 1973-74, joining 1992-93 David Robinson and 1989-90 Hakeem Olajuwon.

    Fantasy projection: 24.7 PTS, 11.5 REB, 4.0 BLK




    #35 Fox
    #94 Vassell
    #99 Castle

    Been a while since the Spurs had 4 players in the preseason top 100.
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    Steph's Spurs all-time top 5:

    Parker
    Manu
    Kawhi
    Victor
    Timmy

    Hardest three players to guard:

    Kyrie
    SGA
    Paolo

    Lot of confidence in the ability to succeed in the playoffs, not just make the playoffs.

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    https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/5-burning-questions-wembanyama-spurs-open-camp-21069932.php

    5 burning questions:

    1. Is Victor Back?

    2. New coaches.

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    The organization has done its part to set Johnson up for success, juicing up the coaching staff with the addition of an associate head coach, highly regarded defensive guru Sean Sweeney, as well as new assistants Sean King and Corliss Williamson.

    That group will team with holdover assistant coach Matt Neilsen to round out Johnson's bench.
    Tim Martin, a noted development savant who worked with Wembanyama before either were employed by the Spurs, joined the staff as well.

    Brett Brown, who came back to San Antonio in 2022 to serve alongside Popovich on the bench, has transitioned to a front office consultant role.


    Really nice to keep Neilsen and Brown around, as well as Pop. Also, Tony Parker has expressed interest into getting into coaching. Since none of our players are old enough to be married, that shouldn't cause any chemistry problems with him hanging around. Certainly would be incredible if Tony could teach Castle and Harper that floater.

    Good feature on player dev coach Tim Martin: https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2024/may/the-undeniable-tim-martin/

    3. How will Spurs' ball-handlers handle Harper's early absence?

    Couldn't be less worried. We have so much playmaking depth.

    4. Is the opening-night starting five etched in stone?


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    Probably, depending on how Johnson intends to answer the above question about his guards.

    Assuming Castle sticks with the starters, expect him to team with Fox at point guard, Devin Vassell at the other wing, power forward Harrison Barnes at power forward and Wembanyama at center when the Spurs tip off the season Oct. 22 at Dallas.


    I think that Victor, Fox, Barnes, and Vassell are etched in stone. I think you likely need Sochan's size and rebounding with that group. Then bring Castle off the bench as PG2.

    We lose size advantages if our forwards are Vassell/Barnes. Both are undersized for those slots. If Vassell is your SG and Sochan is your SF/PF/POA defender, you gain some of that size advantage down. You just need to rotated Castle/Sochan, because I don't think you can really play them well together except maybe when you just need stops.

    5. How quickly can other veteran newcomers crash the party?

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    The Spurs' two most prominent additions the 7-2 Luke Kornet and 6-11 Kelly Olynyk should have little trouble finding their fit.

    Yeah, those guys are smart vets. They should both be plug and play guys.
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    Have tickets to that opener in Dallas. Excited to get a look at the team in person.

    I agree with you I think Sochan probably needs to start and Castle needs to come off the bench. Or at least have a quick swap.

    This is as excited as I've been to keep up with them in a while.
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    Dropping a new one on media day
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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6665943/2025/09/29/sports-training-cla-coaching-wembanyana-ohtani/


    Wemby is working with Noah LaRoche, who was head of player development for Taylor Jenkins in Memphis and was a video guy for OKC.

    https://www.integrityhoops.com/cognition-coach

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    The CLA, which stands for Constraints-Led Approach, is a method of learning that has made its way from academia to the mainstream and draws from innovative research in psychology and neuroscience. It replaces traditional block training, where an athlete learns a single movement pattern step-by-step and, instead, places them in game-like situations with special rules that force them to adapt their moves on the fly. It's founded on the principle that training perfectly yields imperfect results.

    That means putting players into scenarios with different limitations called "constraints" to simulate the unpredictable environment of an actual game. Whether it's the number of steps they can take, the area of the playing surface from which they are allowed to maneuver or even the weight of the ball they are using, players are repeatedly told to overcome restrictions to accomplish a task. While painstakingly working through mistakes, they are forced to find advantageous opportunities, "affordances" in CLA parlance.

    From pool noodles to a game simply known as "murderball," coaches around the world are finding ways to put their players in a sea of constraints and guide them on how to work their way back to shore.

    By forcing a player to slowly deal with impossible-to-predict variables thrown at them, the CLA teaches them to execute under duress rather than flawlessly in a vacuum. If a coach can get a player to work through failure and creatively solve problems, the thought goes, practice becomes harder than the actual games.

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    The CLA grew out of the study of ecological dynamics, a framework that combines psychology and neurobiology to examine the relationship between how the brain and body work together to perceive our environment and move within it. It focuses on perception-action coupling, the feedback loop of your brain processing sensory information and your body coordinating sequences of actions to create a motion. It's a continuous partnership between more than just the brain's visual system and the body, but also touch, hearing and proprioception, the body's sixth sense of position and movement.
    The latest research in ecological dynamics suggests our brain does not store a specific script of a given movement pattern. Instead, the brain and body work in tandem using perception-action coupling to constantly develop precise, flexible movements.

    The CLA grew out of the study of ecological dynamics, a framework that combines psychology and neurobiology to examine the relationship between how the brain and body work together to perceive our environment and move within it. It focuses on perception-action coupling, the feedback loop of your brain processing sensory information and your body coordinating sequences of actions to create a motion. It's a continuous partnership between more than just the brain's visual system and the body, but also touch, hearing and proprioception, the body's sixth sense of position and movement.
    The latest research in ecological dynamics suggests our brain does not store a specific script of a given movement pattern. Instead, the brain and body work in tandem using perception-action coupling to constantly develop precise, flexible movements.

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    All of a sudden we're running out of point guards.

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    TRM said:




    So many journalists in that position are so awful.

    They needed to directly ask Kawhi one question and pin him down:

    What did you do for Aspiration?

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    Clippers and Kawhi: we didnt do anything.

    Pablo: here's another drip.
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    Ballmer: we didn't pay people under the table

    Bradley Beal: Clippers paid me the most money on the cap and under the table.

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    Shocked
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    https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/first-preseason-charge-mitch-johnson-setting-21079388.php


    Quote:

    On a treadmill somewhere, Johnson's predecessor is laughing at that joke, if not outright rejoicing over the long-awaited arrival of an autumn that won't require him to take part in one of his least favorite charades.



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    With De'Aaron Fox, Stephon Castle and Dylan Harper providing a bevy of playmaking options around Victor Wembanyama, San Antonio will want to play fast, but that transformation had begun under Popovich.

    It might sound counterintuitive, considering that Popovich long was known as one of the league's most brilliant defensive coaches, but the most significant changes might come at that end of the floor. Johnson's new assistants include Corliss Williamson and Sean Sweeney, who was particularly well-regarded for the defensive work he did for head coach Jason Kidd in both Milwaukee and Dallas.


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    The standards will be the same. The details might be a little different, though.

    "I think it's my job to have the clear objectives of what we're trying to achieve, and the outcomes that we're looking for," Johnson said.

    In terms of messaging, that's right out of Popovich's playbook. One thing that young players and seasoned veterans always praised about his coaching style was that they never had any doubt about what he expected them to do.

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    You get $1,000,000 bonus (via team sponsor) for every question you get right.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6676113/2025/10/02/victory-wembanyama-offseason-training-regiment-cla-spurs/

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    SAN ANTONIO As Victor Wembanyama swatted away another one of his shots, something dawned on Julian Champagnie. The Spurs wing just watched his teammates take turns trying to score on their star center, then going back down the other end of the floor to try to do it again.

    One by one, they went at Wembanyama and met the same fate as many players across the NBA. But they got to catch their breath in between as they waited their turn, strategizing how they might get past him.

    There was just one player who didn't get a single break: Wembanyama.

    The drill is simple. He defends a one-on-one sequence against every player in the gym without a breather. Once he's taken everyone on, he sprints down to the other end of the court and goes right back into it.

    "I don't think I've ever seen someone work out like that," Champagnie told The Athletic. "It's crazy to see."



    Quote:

    "For someone of his age, he is so intentional on the variety of ways that he tries to improve as a player and a person," Spurs head coach Mitch Johnson said. "It's really something I've never witnessed or experienced in my time."



    Quote:

    "At his age, it's eye-opening to see somebody come in and demand excellence and demand greatness," said Spurs newcomer Lindy Waters III. "He can't do that without putting himself on that pedestal and making sure that nobody can come at him and say anything. … It's easy for him to demand that and it makes me want to work harder."



    Podcast on if Wemby is ready for MVP consideration. If the Spurs are a 50-win team, I'm not sure how he isn't right there with SGA/Joker.

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/5qeW4IbPNSJbzkkPu0Ve84?si=ec37e10c3a374330
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