*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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Seems like it's more of an AMC issue. Do they own the majority of the 70mm IMAX screens?

The AMCs in Houston are all out in the sticks so don't ever go to one
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TCTTS said:




Question. Why do directors insist on filming in 70mm film when 99% of the movie goers will never experience the film in that capacity. Also, why are they not building more 70mm IMAX theaters when the demand is like this. There are only some 40ish real theaters world wide right?
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wangus12 said:

TCTTS said:




Question. Why do directors insist on filming in 70mm film when 99% of the movie goers will never experience the film in that capacity. Also, why are they not building more 70mm IMAX theaters when the demand is like this. There are only some 40ish real theaters world wide right?


This is what I want to know.
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Why do directors insist on filming in 70mm film when 99% of the movie goers will never experience the film in that capacity

The short answer is that directors aren't making movies in 70mm IMAX primarily for the people who see them in 70mm IMAX. They're making them that way because it improves the entire image pipeline and preserves the highest possible quality version of the film. Shooting on 65mm film (which is then projected on 70mm prints) captures an enormous amount of detail, dynamic range, and texture. Even if the final audience watches on a standard digital screen, the source image started with much more information than a typical digital capture.

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Also, why are they not building more 70mm IMAX theaters when the demand is like this. There are only some 40ish real theaters world wide right?

A true IMAX screen is so expensive to build, operate, and maintain, there's a unique chicken-egg problem:
  • Because there's so few films shot in 70mm, theatres don't want to spend millions on equipment to upgrade facilities.
  • Because there's so few theatres with 70mm screens, studios don't want to make 70mm prints.
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Makes sense
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M.C. Swag said:

A true IMAX screen is so expensive to build, operate, and maintain, there's a unique chicken-egg problem:
  • Because there's so few films shot in 70mm, theatres don't want to spend millions on equipment to upgrade facilities.
  • Because there's so few theatres with 70mm screens, studios don't want to make 70mm prints.



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Based on some internet research, there are only eight 70mm IMAX theaters in the US. When Oppenheimer was released there were 19 because there some theaters temporarily reactivated and special event installations.

Someone probably needs to validate because figuring out true IMAX theater counts has always been an Odyssey in and of itself.
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This is mostly just old man rants, so treat accordingly, but this film is starting to feel more and more like massive movie bloat more than a film I think I'd like to see; like it's something Nolan has been obsessed with for a long time and after all of his commercial and now critical success, he's able to truly do anything he wants, but I'm not sure that's what the 2026 audience wants, and if one of my daughters hadn't said she wanted to see it, I'm not sure I would even go in the theaters.

Really long - almost 3 hours
Rated R - Is it really bloody? Does Anne Hathaway bang every guy in that dinner scene? i mean I'm OK with the latter.
Getting hype for being filmed in a format that doesn't matter and won't be viewed by >90% of the public.
Really top heavy with famous people
Quarter of a billion dollar budget
Is the story compelling enough? I mean, the Iliad is a lot cooler story for my 2 cents.
The casting controversies - the only one I am upst about is Travis Scott. He didn't get charged in what happened at Astroworld, but I just can't unsee his antics on stage while people were getting crushed to death.

I am super excited about Ludwig Gorasson scoring it, however.

Not trying to start an argument with anyone, just been on my mind.



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CharleyKerfeld said:

This is mostly just old man rants, so treat accordingly, but this film is starting to feel more and more like massive movie bloat more than a film I think I'd like to see; like it's something Nolan has been obsessed with for a long time and after all of his commercial and now critical success, he's able to truly do anything he wants, but I'm not sure that's what the 2026 audience wants, and if one of my daughters hadn't said she wanted to see it, I'm not sure I would even go in the theaters.

lol my guy complaining about bloat in the longest run on sentence I've seen.
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IMAX is one aspect of the movie going experience that can't be replicated at home. I understand it's cost prohibitive but it is really surprising that the industry hasn't expanded its offerings.
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CheeseSndwch said:

IMAX is one aspect of the movie going experience that can't be replicated at home. I understand it's cost prohibitive but it is really surprising that the industry hasn't expanded its offerings.


It's done some other ridiculous crap like the new one that has three big screens. Forget the name of it but I wouldn't go see a movie in it.
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You can get pretty close to an IMAX 70mm viewing experience with an Apple Vision Pro on the video portion of a movie. There is even an IMAX app, but they limit it to just showing the documentary movies. It is hard to recreate the audio experience with a VR headset (obviously)
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I'm right there with you. In the beginning when it was announced that my current favorite director was doing The Odyssey I was as pumped as I could get. But now....after the ho-hum trailers, the unnecessary casting of a big name in every role, the clear miscasting of certain roles, the direction Nolan is taking with this version....my excitement is waning by the week.


I really, really now would prefer to see Eggers taking on this movie. The dude would make it the epic mythological story it's meant to be, with a cast and dialogue so steeped in accuracy that you'd walk out believing in the Greek gods. Don't believe me? Go watch The Northman.
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I'm more excited about He-Man at this point.
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YouBet said:

I'm more excited about He-Man at this point.

Going to see it tomorrow with my fellow two 52-year-old best friends from A&M.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

I'm right there with you. In the beginning when it was announced that my current favorite director was doing The Odyssey I was as pumped as I could get. But now....after the ho-hum trailers, the unnecessary casting of a big name in every role, the clear miscasting of certain roles, the direction Nolan is taking with this version....my excitement is waning by the week.


I really, really now would prefer to see Eggers taking on this movie. The dude would make it the epic mythological story it's meant to be, with a cast and dialogue so steeped in accuracy that you'd walk out believing in the Greek gods. Don't believe me? Go watch The Northman.

This mirrors my thoughts, nearly exactly. I'm going to see it in theaters, but my excitement has waned substantially.
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Come the weekend of July 17th, it'll be fun to see just how well these takes have aged.

Maybe the lukewarm-ness will be warranted.

I suspect not.

My money is still on the writer/director of...

- Memento
- Batman Begins
- The Prestige
- The Dark Night
- Inception
- Interstellar
- Dunkirk
- Oppenheimer

... delivering.

But perhaps the bloat/audacity finally does get the best of him.

We shall see!
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100%. I'm one of the crazy people who enjoy star studded casts, big blowout budgets, R ratings, and long run times. But different strokes....
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Like I said, he's my favorite current director, buuuut...i notice you conveniently left out Tenet and The Dark Knight Rises. And we all know why you left them out, lol. Dunkirk was good but not phenomenal, and as much as I really want to like Insomnia, because apparently everybody else does, it's not high on my list for Nolan movies.

Nolan is really good, but he doesn't hit every movie out of the park. He's had some triples, a couple movies that are solid doubles, and a couple that the runner had to leg it out to turn it into a single.

None of my hesitancy about The Odyssey stems from the political discussion in this thread, it stems purely from how the movie looks to me so far. I hope to be wrong, and I'm glad there's still plenty of you who refuse to cast any doubt on nolan and are so optimistic about it. And while it might not be phenomonal, the odds that it'll be worse than The Dark Knight Rises or Tenet are really really low.
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I personally love Tenet (though, again, I'd cast it differently if it were up to me), and The Dark Knight Rises has grown on me over the years. It probably should have been two movies, but parts of the one we got are absolutely incredible. Still, we're talking, at worst, an 80-ish% success rate, with a number of those successes literally being some of the greatest movies of all time, and the two "missteps" still being wildly ambitious/full of all kinds of awesomeness. To the point where it feels weird even pointing to them as evidence that The Odyssey might suck.

That said, I totally get being underwhelmed by The Odyssey trailers so far. I am too, to an extent. But at the same time it's obvious to me that Nolan/Universal are holding WAY back in terms of the footage, and are instead letting the Nolan name and the IP (one of the most famous works of literature of all time) do most of the talking in this particular instance. Point being, I'm taking into account what's clearly not being shown, and combined with Nolan's track record, I'm not letting a couple of relatively underwhelming trailers affect my enthusiasm just yet (plus, it sounds like one more trailer is on the way, in the next week or two).
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To quote one of the greatest writer/directors of our time:

"Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
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The Dark Knight Rises was an amazing movie.

Tom Hardy as Bane knocked it out of the park and his character was written so damn well.
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Extremely apt in this thread for sure. A prophet of his own "demise."
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I'm feeling almost exactly how I did for Napoleon, and for most of the same reasons.

- Proven director
- Weird casting, but could work
- Probably going to have some cool scenes, but doesn't seem like it'll be a great movie as a whole
- About a topic/content I enjoy, but doesn't seem to be being approached from the angle I'd prefer

My gut ended up being right about Napoleon. 6/10 movie, despite being well-directed and having elements I appreciated. Could and should have done so much more. That's what I'm now expecting out of Odyssey, but open to having my mind blown.



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Belton Ag said:

To quote one of the greatest writer/directors of our time:

"Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

What does Jonathan Nolan have to do with The Odyssey.
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What do you mean by "...these takes have aged."

I only read a single take about Nolan bloat, on this page. The rest of us have literally voiced being fans of Nolan, voicing hope the movie is good, and have talked about going to see it. We simply made statements how we aren't as excited as we were when it was announced.

These are the types of posts you make that garner responses you claim to be inflammatory. I'm sure, if it ends up being really good, you'll show up on this thread and attempt to dunk on the professed fans of Nolan who had concerns.

Hell, I LITERALLY made that exact same point, earlier in this thread, about giving Nolan the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't change the fact that many have lost the excitement we had when the project was announced.
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Another possible similarity...Napoleon's color palette sucked ass. There has to be something in between muted, muddy mess and overly colorful kids' movie palettes.
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Lathspell said:

What do you mean by "...these takes have aged."

I only read a single take about Nolan bloat, on this page. The rest of us have literally voiced being fans of Nolan, voicing hope the movie is good, and have talked about going to see it. We simply made statements how we aren't as excited as we were when it was announced.

These are the types of posts you make that garner responses you claim to be inflammatory. I'm sure, if it ends up being really good, you'll show up on this thread and attempt to dunk on the professed fans of Nolan who had concerns.

Hell, I LITERALLY made that exact same point, earlier in this thread, about giving Nolan the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't change the fact that many have lost the excitement we had when the project was announced.


Dude, relax.

I said all of that with a smile, was clearly having some fun, agreed that it could very well end up missing the mark, etc. For all the crap I get about taking things too seriously, you're often just as emotional as people claim I am.

That said, multiple people in this thread - Nolan fans included - have expressed either a lack of enthusiasm for this movie - or - straight up doubt. And that's fine! I get it! I'm simply saying it'll be fun to see if all the skepticism will be warranted or not. Maybe it will be. My personal opinion is that it won't be.

Either way... chill.
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Cliff.Booth said:

I'm feeling almost exactly how I did for Napoleon, and for most of the same reasons.

- Proven director
- Weird casting, but could work
- Probably going to have some cool scenes, but doesn't seem like it'll be a great movie as a whole
- About a topic/content I enjoy, but doesn't seem to be being approached from the angle I'd prefer

My gut ended up being right about Napoleon. 6/10 movie, despite being well-directed and having elements I appreciated. Could and should have done so much more. That's what I'm now expecting out of Odyssey, but open to having my mind blown.


Zero chance this is even remotely close to Napoleon territory.

Again, it might not be apex Nolan at the end of the day, but Napoleon was a boring, bloated mess of a movie from a director way past his prime, who hasn't had a hit in over a decade.

Nolan, on the other hand, is coming off the biggest win of his career, and nothing in his entire body of work suggests he's even capable of making a movie as bad as Napoleon.
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If you had shown me some stills from this trailer, or that poster showing Odysseus and the plate armor space marines, a few years ago and told me this is from a Nolan-directed The Odyssey, I'd have never believed you. I wouldnt have expected Nolan to botch this on the level of Napoleon, but nothing in what we've seen so far gives me greater optimism. I honestly think you'll be surprised, in a bad way.
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I think this just might be a passion project for Nolan that isn't going to resound with audiences the way it does with him. I wish it had been him doing the "Young Washington" movie, or some epic American Revolution epic for America's 250th.

I can't put my finger on it and maybe I'm 180 degrees off and I'll love it, because it is in my complete wheelhouse
Greece - where I'm from
Mythology - love it
Anything on a ship - my dad and grandfather both made their livings on the ocean
Nolan - Dark Knight and Prestige are both in my top 10 favorite movies of the 2000s
Damon - never not loved him in a movie
Pattison - looks incredible
Gorasson - incredible composer

Hope I'm wrong, but the closer it comes, the more boring it feels.

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Cliff.Booth said:

If you had shown me some stills from this trailer, or that poster showing Odysseus and the plate armor space marines, a few years ago and told me this is from a Nolan-directed The Odyssey, I'd have never believed you. I wouldnt have expected Nolan to botch this on the level of Napoleon, but nothing in what we've seen so far gives me greater optimism. I honestly think you'll be surprised, in a bad way.


"botch" is an opinion, though.

Before any of us have seen any of it in full context, within the greater world of Nolan's vision for the story, which I still argue we've hardly seen yet.

Regardless, you're of course more than welcome to your opinion. And on some level, again, I get it.

Personally, though, I think everything you just named looks cool as hell. I legitimately love the "space marine" look. Especially compared to how they're described in the book.

In fact, I dig every one of Nolan's design choices so far.

And yet that stuff is so minuscule to me, compared to the filmmaking/storytelling itself, which none of can judge for ourselves for another six weeks.
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Belton Ag said:

The Dark Knight Rises was an amazing movie.

Tom Hardy as Bane knocked it out of the park and his character was written so damn well.


Hardy was great. The rest of the movie really stretches believability, even for a make-believe world where a masked vigilante named Batman takes on supervillians. I do like it, simply as a bookend to the series and because of Hardy and Bale, but it's got a lot of flaws.
 
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