GoFundMe for Karmelo Anthony

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Murder in the commision of a felony?
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Answered on the last page!!

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Or they also said they couldn't be impartial because they didn't want to be on the jury. Just like I would say yes to would I vote for the death penalty.
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I don't understand then. So if I am caught taking someone's personal property that doesn't belong to me valued at more than 2500 dollars in the State of Texas under Texas Penal Code Chapter 31 wheras high-value thefts are charged as felony theft and I kill the guy who catches me. I will not be charged with Capital Murder?
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Im Gipper said:

Answered on the last page!!

IF, if, reports that the perp was actually intending to steal something under the tent, robbery "could" be an accurate description, if he was alluding to the knife being in his backpack, using Hobbs' description if memory serves me.
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normalhorn said:

Im Gipper said:

Answered on the last page!!

IF, if, reports that the perp was actually intending to steal something under the tent, robbery "could" be an accurate description, if he was alluding to the knife being in his backpack, using Hobbs' description if memory serves me.


Intending to steal something with the knife is not robbery.


He would have to have actually used a knife (or some other threat of bodily harm ) to threaten someone while committing that theft to be robbery.

Alluding to the knife and saying " give me your iPhone or I'll pull this knife out and stab you" would be sufficient. But there's nothing that suggests that happened, and the evidence we've heard so far does not show that.






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TAMU1990 said:



Or they also said they couldn't be impartial because they didn't want to be on the jury. Just like I would say yes to would I vote for the death penalty.

I've been wondering how many potential jurors did not bother to show up for the pool and what the jury pool looked like
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TAMU1990 said:



Or they also said they couldn't be impartial because they didn't want to be on the jury. Just like I would say yes to would I vote for the death penalty.


I'm not gonna lie, I have never been nor do I really want to be on any murder jury, it doesn't matter what race color ethnicity or what ever- just wouldn't want to. I don't blame some of the people saying things that allow them not to be seated on a jury. I've been in the jury pool many times, don't think I've ever been chosen. Anyway, glad I have not been put in that position
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usmcbrooks said:

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It doesn't matter, it is against state law to carry a weapon in a school or at a school's sporting event, if not held inside the school.

This is or should be understood by everyone.

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Is that Code of Conduct letter a legal binding agreement between the students and the school and does it hold any value in a court of law?

So I think what I am asking is this. If they all signed these Code of Conduct letters, is that a legal binding document?



The parent signs they understand the ISD Code of Conduct. Many districts have an Athletic Code of Conduct holding student athletes to a higher standard than other students (i.e. detrimental conduct outside of school can result in discipline by the Coach or an Athletic Council). That Athletic code is probably what was signed by the athletes and/or parents. These Codes of Conduct are not legally binding, just binding to the School Board approved policies. Lawyers acting in the interest of a student may subpoena those signatures/documents which are public record.
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Yeah, I researched that and understand it as being a legal reciept that the school district did their job in explaining the rules.
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normalhorn said:

I agree. I don't believe for a moment that SYG is a logical justification in this case. I was asking if anyone else was of the opinion from the first Officer's video evidence that the defense's odds of playing the SYG card was effectively void.

Why ask that question, especially when it is clear you don't understand the SYG defense?
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YokelRidesAgain said:

ShaggySLC said:

You're trying to say he has no obligation to leave anywhere, the other night it was because it was public property, so you're starting to move goal post.

He doesn't have an obligation to leave under the law. If a meet official, a coach, security, etc. comes over there and tells him to leave and he makes a scene and refuses, then it's probably disorderly conduct. Speaking of moving goalposts, the other night you were saying that he was going through other people's possessions, which would also be a crime.

What you're circling around is the implied view that Metcalf was right to shove this guy because he was acting like a thug.

My view is that you shouldn't go up to people you don't know and shove them because they might be a freaking crazy person with a knife and no regard for human life.



Victim blaming
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Im Gipper said:

normalhorn said:

Im Gipper said:

Answered on the last page!!

IF, if, reports that the perp was actually intending to steal something under the tent, robbery "could" be an accurate description, if he was alluding to the knife being in his backpack, using Hobbs' description if memory serves me.


Intending to steal something with the knife is not robbery.




Is that not a crime? If I came up to you, pulled a knife and said give me all your money mother****er or I will carve you face. That's at least attempted robbery with a deadly weapon. Isn't it?

He may not of shown the knife beforehand, testimonies say he didn't. However, hand in bag, "touch me and see what happens."

I catch you stealing my **** and you act like that, prepare to meet the god you pray to. Now, can I be charged with murder or can I claim self defense?
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What you described is robbery.

Intending to take iphones from bags while you have a knife on you or in your bag is not robbery.

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Im Gipper said:

What you described is robbery.

Intending to take iphones from bags while you have a knife on you or in your bag is not robbery.


According to Texas Penal code I have also described felony theft and if, if Anthony murdered him during the commission of felony theft, that is Capital Murder. Good thing you're not on the jury.
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From that same Twitter account earlier:

We have now heard from six teens who were at the stadium the day Austin Metcalf was stabbed by Karmelo Anthony. Four out of the six are black . All have testified that Karmelo Anthony was asked to leave the Memorial HS team tent, provoked Austin Metcalf, and pulled a knife *before or while* Austin had even pushed Karmelo.
"I'm not going to fight you at a track meet, dude,' Austin told Karmelo, according to teen #3.
During cross examination , defense attorney asks, 'Did he (Austin) grab hold of him (Karmelo?)
Teen #4 says, "He didn't get the chance to grab hold of him. He was already stabbed."
Teen #6 described watching the verbal back and forth between Austin and Karmelo, while Karmelo had his hands in his backpack and claimed he had something in his bag.
'The vein in his arm was visible. It looked like he was grabbing something,' teen #6 said
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usmcbrooks said:

Im Gipper said:

What you described is robbery.

Intending to take iphones from bags while you have a knife on you or in your bag is not robbery.


According to Texas Penal code I have also described theft.

What are you even talking about? Seriously, you are all over the place.
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If I came up to you, pulled a knife and said give me all your money mother****er or I will carve you face.

Assuming something was taken, then yes, this is theft.

But its clearly robbery which has the element of "in the course of committing theft" So any DA that just charged theft and not robbery should be kicked out of office post haste!

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I catch you stealing my **** and you act like that, prepare to meet the god you pray to. Now, can I be charged with murder or can I claim self defense?


Uh, if someone threatens you with a knife, then of course you can claim self defense! Really strange question.

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TAMU1990 said:



Or they also said they couldn't be impartial because they didn't want to be on the jury. Just like I would say yes to would I vote for the death penalty.


Except one side might want to hear that. So people that say things like that thinking they won't get chosen it can always backfire on them.
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Fenrir said:

aggiehawg said:

The rest:
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The second teen was sitting right next to Karmelo. Austin's shoving of Karmelo wasn't even hard enough that Karmelo touched him when it happened. Second teen says stabbing happened so quickly that he didn't even realize it had happened and he was sitting right next to Karmelo
'I just remember being in shock and not really knowing where to go,' the second teen says once he realized what had happened.
Prosector: Did it seem like Austin was trying to pick a fight?
Second teen: no sir
Prosecutor: Did it seem like Karmelo wanted to pick a fight?
Second teen: yes sir



Btw, as someone without twitter...I really appreciate the people that copy and paste longer posts and responses.

I appreciate people saving me the click, but you don't need a Twitter account to read Twitter posts on here, or click on them and read them online.
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usmcbrooks said:

agent-maroon said:

Im Gipper said:

To move to capital murder based on the murder happening during the commission or attempted commission of a felony, the felony has to be one of these: kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat

Thank you for the explanation

Speculation and hearsay are one in the same, right? So it is hearsay that he was caught going through the personal belongings in he tent he wasn't supposed to be in.

However, if he was committing burglary of said items that did not belong to him, that's going to be tough to prove, right?

Whether or not he was trying to steal **** is completely irrelevant to the murder that took place.

ISTG, you people get hung up on some of the most inane crap in this case. I hope the jurors are smarter than some of y'all, but I doubt it. There is a reason the defense is using the "throw everything at the wall and hope some of it sticks to cause reasonable doubt" tactic, and some of y'all are falling for it already.
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Racist CS prosecutor who didn't go for death penalty
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Except one side might want to hear that. So people that say things like that thinking they won't get chosen it can always backfire on them.

I watched all of the voir dire in the Derek Chauvin trial. Not only the prosecution but the damn judge didn't care when potential jurors said they weren't sure they could be unbiased. That put the defense counsel in a horrible position of having to use his peremptory challenges when the judge should have excused them for cause.
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usmcbrooks said:

Im Gipper said:

normalhorn said:

Im Gipper said:

Answered on the last page!!

IF, if, reports that the perp was actually intending to steal something under the tent, robbery "could" be an accurate description, if he was alluding to the knife being in his backpack, using Hobbs' description if memory serves me.


Intending to steal something with the knife is not robbery.




Is that not a crime? If I came up to you, pulled a knife and said give me all your money mother****er or I will carve you face. That's at least attempted robbery with a deadly weapon. Isn't it?

He may not of shown the knife beforehand, testimonies say he didn't. However, hand in bag, "touch me and see what happens."

I catch you stealing my **** and you act like that, prepare to meet the god you pray to. Now, can I be charged with murder or can I claim self defense?


You can be charged with murder AND you claim self defense.
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aggiehawg said:

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Except one side might want to hear that. So people that say things like that thinking they won't get chosen it can always backfire on them.

I watched all of the voir dire in the Derek Chauvin trial. Not only the prosecution but the damn judge didn't care when potential jurors said they weren't sure they could be unbiased. That put the defense counsel in a horrible position of having to use his peremptory challenges when the judge should have excused them for cause.


I can see that. I was picked for quite a few juries when I lived in Houston they were small cases though, but one I was not picked for and was very grateful was a parental severing of rights for young children who had been abused.

I was adopted at five weeks. And I remember them asking some questions along those lines and I think I was nixed because of my answer of yes. I feel like at the time they had had a questionnaire and that's why the question was asked, but honestly, it's been about 30 years ago.

The guy sitting next to me got picked, and he cussed under his breath when they said his number because he really didn't want any part of it either. I mean, the guy looked pretty creepy and what I understood it was physical and maybe sexual abuse involved and I'm glad I didn't have to sit through that, but had I been chosen, and me being adopted would not have affected my opinion either way. It would've been about the fact. But I remember when I was leaving I thought the guy was going to lose custody. He just had that feel.

But apparently today, some people just can't help themselves and decide on race rather than the fact. Pretty messed up. Of course some people just literally don't want to serve on a jury.

Since I moved to College Station in 20 years ago and then Bryan six years ago, I have not once had to even show up for jury duty. They have always excused us before we got there. Interesting that Harris County called me quite often and chose me about three times. Once I was chosen, but they settled right before it was about to start. The other two times I served.
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Backyard Gator said:

Fenrir said:

aggiehawg said:

The rest:
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The second teen was sitting right next to Karmelo. Austin's shoving of Karmelo wasn't even hard enough that Karmelo touched him when it happened. Second teen says stabbing happened so quickly that he didn't even realize it had happened and he was sitting right next to Karmelo
'I just remember being in shock and not really knowing where to go,' the second teen says once he realized what had happened.
Prosector: Did it seem like Austin was trying to pick a fight?
Second teen: no sir
Prosecutor: Did it seem like Karmelo wanted to pick a fight?
Second teen: yes sir



Btw, as someone without twitter...I really appreciate the people that copy and paste longer posts and responses.

I appreciate people saving me the click, but you don't need a Twitter account to read Twitter posts on here, or click on them and read them online.


You do in order to read replies, including when the person posts things in a chain. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension and ability to read further down the thread evaded you today.
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What this comes down to me is the fact that he had the knife in the bag. The fact that he didn't just get up and leave when I asked, and the fact that he could've chosen so many other opportunities to just walk away. There were a lot of people around and I don't think any kind of fight would've gone anywhere.

He had so many other choices he could make.
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Backyard Gator said:

Victim blaming

Acknowledging the nature of reality.

Nowhere did I say nor imply that Anthony was legitimately defending himself against a lethal threat or that he is not guilty of murder. What the one kid said on the stand is, unfortunately, exactly what happened. They did not think that things like this happened in Frisco so they did not have the level of caution that the circumstances warranted. They thought Anthony was bluffing about having a deadly weapon and being willing to kill someone over nothing. It turns out that he was not.

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usmcbrooks said:

Im Gipper said:

normalhorn said:

Im Gipper said:

Answered on the last page!!

IF, if, reports that the perp was actually intending to steal something under the tent, robbery "could" be an accurate description, if he was alluding to the knife being in his backpack, using Hobbs' description if memory serves me.


Intending to steal something with the knife is not robbery.




Is that not a crime? If I came up to you, pulled a knife and said give me all your money mother****er or I will carve you face. That's at least attempted robbery with a deadly weapon. Isn't it?

He may not of shown the knife beforehand, testimonies say he didn't. However, hand in bag, "touch me and see what happens."

I catch you stealing my **** and you act like that, prepare to meet the god you pray to. Now, can I be charged with murder or can I claim self defense?


Seriously, can you start your own "please educate me on basic legal concepts" thread? You arguing minutiae because you don't understand is derailing the thread.
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YokelRidesAgain said:

Backyard Gator said:

Victim blaming

Acknowledging the nature of reality.

Nowhere did I say nor imply that Anthony was legitimately defending himself against a lethal threat or that he is not guilty of murder. What the one kid said on the stand is, unfortunately, exactly what happened. They did not think that things like this happened in Frisco so they did not have the level of caution that the circumstances warranted. They thought Anthony was bluffing about having a deadly weapon and being willing to kill someone over nothing. It turns out that he was not.



Explaining why you're blaming the victims (or the other kids there) doesn't change the fact that you're victim blaming.

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Just a reminder as we read these various testimonies by the eye witnesses. There is an exclusionary rule in effect. That means none of the witnesses are allowed in the courtroom during other's testimony.

So when they all say essentially (minor variations) the same thing, they did not hear each other's testimony.
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Fenrir said:

Backyard Gator said:

Fenrir said:

aggiehawg said:

The rest:
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The second teen was sitting right next to Karmelo. Austin's shoving of Karmelo wasn't even hard enough that Karmelo touched him when it happened. Second teen says stabbing happened so quickly that he didn't even realize it had happened and he was sitting right next to Karmelo
'I just remember being in shock and not really knowing where to go,' the second teen says once he realized what had happened.
Prosector: Did it seem like Austin was trying to pick a fight?
Second teen: no sir
Prosecutor: Did it seem like Karmelo wanted to pick a fight?
Second teen: yes sir



Btw, as someone without twitter...I really appreciate the people that copy and paste longer posts and responses.

I appreciate people saving me the click, but you don't need a Twitter account to read Twitter posts on here, or click on them and read them online.


You do in order to read replies, including when the person posts things in a chain. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension and ability to read further down the thread evaded you today.

There were 140 replies when I clicked on this thread. I reply as I read, it's faster that way.
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5Amp said:

Racist CS prosecutor who didn't go for death penalty

Hasn't the Supreme Court ruled that death penalty for a 17 year old is unconstitutional?
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Four out of the six are black . All have testified that Karmelo Anthony was asked to leave the Memorial HS team tent, provoked Austin Metcalf, and pulled a knife *before or while* Austin had even pushed Karmelo.
"I'm not going to fight you at a track meet, dude,' Austin told Karmelo, according to teen #3.
During cross examination , defense attorney asks, 'Did he (Austin) grab hold of him (Karmelo?)
Teen #4 says, "He didn't get the chance to grab hold of him. He was already stabbed."





This won't stop the race hustlers from doing their thing.

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I believe they have.
 
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