GoFundMe for Karmelo Anthony

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Reginald Cousins
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Fenrir said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

Sh****SLC said:

The first witness ruined that by explaining what the track tents mean and the culture

I don't disagree that Anthony likely knew he wasn't supposed to be in there, but track meet rules aren't legally binding.

The case is entirely about whether Anthony was legitimately in fear for his life, which he wasn't. In the absence of that, nothing else matters.

Showing that he was somewhere he knew he wasn't supposed in addition to his provocation towards Metcalf damages his argument. Something doesn't have to be illegal in order to be utilized as supporting evidence against a defendant. You're trying very hard to show that his being there wasn't problematic for some reason.


Good God, this. Weird how obsessed some are with "legality".

He went somewhere he shouldn't have been. Was told to leave. Got pushed. And killed a man. It's all relevant to the case.
Im Gipper
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The framework the defense is trying to lay is that Anthony did not have an obligation to leave the tent when Metcalf told him to, which is likely true as a matter of law.

I do agree with this, but its also nothing but a red herring the defense is throwing out there.

Let's say it was Karmelo Anthony's personal tent he brough from home. He still had no right to use deadly force. NONE. ZERO. ZIP.


If this jury starts arguing over his "right to be there" that is a victory for the defense.

I'm Gipper
jrdaustin
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YokelRidesAgain said:

normalhorn said:

Does the Officer's body cam video damage defense's argument for Stand Your Ground? Murderer had the means and opportunity to flee the victim's presence when he felt his life was in jeopardy, but proceeded to stay in proximity with the victim

"Stand your ground" means that you don't have a legal obligation to retreat if able (e.g., if someone comes in your home with a knife and you could climb out of an open window instead of shooting them, you don't have a legal obligation to do that).

The framework the defense is trying to lay is that Anthony did not have an obligation to leave the tent when Metcalf told him to, which is likely true as a matter of law.

That is a necessary but not sufficient part of his attempt at a self defense claim; the problem for Anthony is that being pushed or shoved does not create a reasonable basis for fearing for one's life.

It's unfortunate that there is even an argument made on this as being "a matter of law".

We live in a civilized society that has laws, and it has unwritten rules. Many of those rules are understood by all of us, and the fact that we agree to follow them is what allows this society to remain civilized rather than degrading into anarchy.

It's not illegal to cut in line, but we all agree it's an abhorrent practice.
It's not illegal to ignore that someone has a table at a restaurant, and then invade their space by taking a seat at an occupied table. But, I hope we all agree it's an abhorrent practice.

There are many other examples, but hopefully my point is clear. A team tent is universally recognized as a personal space for the team - even in a public stadium. As a member of an opposing school, entering and sitting in the team space without permission is a provocation, pure and simple.

If we have to rely on written laws to enforce common decency, we've already lost the battle of maintaining civilized society.
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YokelRidesAgain said:

ShaggySLC said:

The first witness ruined that by explaining what the track tents mean and the culture

I don't disagree that Anthony likely knew he wasn't supposed to be in there, but track meet rules aren't legally binding.

The case is entirely about whether Anthony was legitimately in fear for his life, which he wasn't. In the absence of that, nothing else matters.

But you were saying the defense was trying to lay the ground work that he had no obligation to leave. The first witness blew that theory up quick by the jury knowing after opening statements and the first witness that Anthony was at the track meet illegally with a knife and that he was in a space that is universally know he wasn't supposed to be in causing the entire confrontation to begin with. It's the reason his supporters are starting to say he was just a kid trying to get out of the rain.

You're trying to say he has no obligation to leave anywhere, the other night it was because it was public property, so you're starting to move goal post. Seems like the prosecution is setting it up where its hard to claim self defense when you're knowingly at a track meet with an open illegal knife and in a space he knew he wasn't supposed to be in. It makes Anthony look like he set up the whole thing, which he probably did, he got crash dummied into doing it because his friends know he's an idiot and funny when he crashes out. They just didn't think he'd stab someone.

Ellis Wyatt
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He could own his actions, but of course I wouldn't expect that. I do expect others to recognize he's a murderer.
YokelRidesAgain
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ShaggySLC said:

You're trying to say he has no obligation to leave anywhere, the other night it was because it was public property, so you're starting to move goal post.

He doesn't have an obligation to leave under the law. If a meet official, a coach, security, etc. comes over there and tells him to leave and he makes a scene and refuses, then it's probably disorderly conduct. Speaking of moving goalposts, the other night you were saying that he was going through other people's possessions, which would also be a crime.

What you're circling around is the implied view that Metcalf was right to shove this guy because he was acting like a thug.

My view is that you shouldn't go up to people you don't know and shove them because they might be a freaking crazy person with a knife and no regard for human life.

Rip*91
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YokelRidesAgain said:

Sh****SLC said:

You're trying to say he has no obligation to leave anywhere, the other night it was because it was public property, so you're starting to move goal post.

He doesn't have an obligation to leave under the law. If a meet official, a coach, security, etc. comes over there and tells him to leave and he makes a scene and refuses, then it's probably disorderly conduct. Speaking of moving goalposts, the other night you were saying that he was going through other people's possessions, which would also be a crime.

What you're circling around is the implied view that Metcalf was right to shove this guy because he was acting like a thug.

My view is that you shouldn't go up to people you don't know and shove them because they might be a freaking crazy person with a knife and no regard for human life.



Good Lord, I hope you are not one of my doctors!
usmcbrooks
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I don't disagree that Anthony likely knew he wasn't supposed to be in there, but track meet rules aren't legally binding.

According to the Memorial High School track coach Robert Starr, all students signa "Code of Conduct" letter which includes that they will not bring not bring weapons in any shape form or fashion.

Obviously I am not a lawyer, so my question is this. Is that Code of Conduct letter a legal binding agreement between the students and the school and does it hold any value in a court of law?

jrdaustin
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YokelRidesAgain said:

ShaggySLC said:

You're trying to say he has no obligation to leave anywhere, the other night it was because it was public property, so you're starting to move goal post.

He doesn't have an obligation to leave under the law. If a meet official, a coach, security, etc. comes over there and tells him to leave and he makes a scene and refuses, then it's probably disorderly conduct. Speaking of moving goalposts, the other night you were saying that he was going through other people's possessions, which would also be a crime.

What you're circling around is the implied view that Metcalf was right to shove this guy because he was acting like a thug.

My view is that you shouldn't go up to people you don't know and shove them because they might be a freaking crazy person with a knife and no regard for human life.



Yes, but he DOES have an obligation to leave under common decency and rules of the track meet.

Failure to do so = provocation.

Provocation = Stand Your Ground does NOT apply.

It's really not that hard.

ETA: And there is no implied view that Metcalf was right to shove KA. But his punishment would be along the lines of running wind sprints, rather than the penitentary. Apples =/= Oranges.
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ShaggySLC said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

normalhorn said:

If you played any kind of sport at the high school level you understand team spaces and not crossing boundaries. You just didn't do it.





It's been a long time since I played team sports, but I had friends on other teams. It wasn't unusual to sit with them or their team during events. I still have a box full of shirts traded with other teams during HS powerlifting competitions.

Locker rooms, team meetings, or anything like that was off limits, but just catching up and hanging out in team spaces never was a big deal. Maybe that was different with rural schools vs urban.
ShaggySLC
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jrdaustin said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

normalhorn said:

Does the Officer's body cam video damage defense's argument for Stand Your Ground? Murderer had the means and opportunity to flee the victim's presence when he felt his life was in jeopardy, but proceeded to stay in proximity with the victim

"Stand your ground" means that you don't have a legal obligation to retreat if able (e.g., if someone comes in your home with a knife and you could climb out of an open window instead of shooting them, you don't have a legal obligation to do that).

The framework the defense is trying to lay is that Anthony did not have an obligation to leave the tent when Metcalf told him to, which is likely true as a matter of law.

That is a necessary but not sufficient part of his attempt at a self defense claim; the problem for Anthony is that being pushed or shoved does not create a reasonable basis for fearing for one's life.

It's unfortunate that there is even an argument made on this as being "a matter of law".

We live in a civilized society that has laws, and it has unwritten rules. Many of those rules are understood by all of us, and the fact that we agree to follow them is what allows this society to remain civilized rather than degrading into anarchy.

It's not illegal to cut in line, but we all agree it's an abhorrent practice.
It's not illegal to ignore that someone has a table at a restaurant, and then invade their space by taking a seat at an occupied table. But, I hope we all agree it's an abhorrent practice.

There are many other examples, but hopefully my point is clear. A team tent is universally recognized as a personal space for the team - even in a public stadium. As a member of an opposing school, entering and sitting in the team space without permission is a provocation, pure and simple.

If we have to rely on written laws to enforce common decency, we've already lost the battle of maintaining civilized society.


And now spend even less money on actual good motivated students and more on coaches and teachers weekend time and weeknight time sitting in a tent making sure their athletes are safe from wandering "Mellos". Kind of like they do by stealing from the American kids education to have a parallel program in Spanish for all the illegals.
EMY92
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It doesn't matter, it is against state law to carry a weapon in a school or at a school's sporting event, if not held inside the school.

Also, for the folks saying the legality doesn't matter, this is a trial, of course the law matters. I'm sure that the defense will use that angle. The law has much more weight than common norms. It likely won't matter in this case, but it's absurd to dismiss that.
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txyaloo said:

ShaggySLC said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

normalhorn said:

If you played any kind of sport at the high school level you understand team spaces and not crossing boundaries. You just didn't do it.





It's been a long time since I played team sports, but I had friends on other teams. It wasn't unusual to sit with them or their team during events. I still have a box full of shirts traded with other teams during HS powerlifting competitions.

Locker rooms, team meetings, or anything like that was off limits, but just catching up and hanging out in team spaces never was a big deal. Maybe that was different with rural schools vs urban.

I think the diffence here is that you were invited into the tent, and were technically a guest of a team member.

From what I've seen, Anthony was invited by no one, knew no one, and was encroaching on another teams' space. And then was refusing to leave when asked.

Not the same.
normalhorn
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txyaloo said:

ShaggySLC said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

normalhorn said:

If you played any kind of sport at the high school level you understand team spaces and not crossing boundaries. You just didn't do it.





It's been a long time since I played team sports, but I had friends on other teams. It wasn't unusual to sit with them or their team during events. I still have a box full of shirts traded with other teams during HS powerlifting competitions.

Locker rooms, team meetings, or anything like that was off limits, but just catching up and hanging out in team spaces never was a big deal. Maybe that was different with rural schools vs urban.

The murderer didn't know the victim, whom supposedly (according to viewers of the district video) was the only other person under the tent at the time of the incident. Would you have walked over and sat with an opposing team's player, by yourself, not knowing the athlete?

And, would you have done so while concealing a knife on a school campus, in clear violation of law?

Your analogy is cute, but doesn't level up with what ACTUALLY happened.
Fenrir
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EMY92 said:

It doesn't matter, it is against state law to carry a weapon in a school or at a school's sporting event, if not held inside the school.

Also, for the folks saying the legality doesn't matter, this is a trial, of course the law matters. I'm sure that the defense will use that angle. The law has much more weight than common norms. It likely won't matter in this case, but it's absurd to dismiss that.

I'm not sure anybody is saying it doesn't matter, rather than the totality of events including Anthony being in a tent he knew he was not supposed to be in according to codes of conduct and norms shows that he was not some innocent person getting attached but rather his actions were intentional provocations that resulted in him killing someone.

Again, something doesn't have to be illegal in and of itself to act as supporting evidence and attempting to say that "well it's not illegal for him to be there" is a distraction from the acts that occurred.
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It doesn't matter, it is against state law to carry a weapon in a school or at a school's sporting event, if not held inside the school.

This is or should be understood by everyone.

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Is that Code of Conduct letter a legal binding agreement between the students and the school and does it hold any value in a court of law?

So I think what I am asking is this. If they all signed these Code of Conduct letters, is that a legal binding document?

ShaggySLC
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txyaloo said:

ShaggySLC said:

YokelRidesAgain said:

normalhorn said:

If you played any kind of sport at the high school level you understand team spaces and not crossing boundaries. You just didn't do it.





It's been a long time since I played team sports, but I had friends on other teams. It wasn't unusual to sit with them or their team during events. I still have a box full of shirts traded with other teams during HS powerlifting competitions.

Locker rooms, team meetings, or anything like that was off limits, but just catching up and hanging out in team spaces never was a big deal. Maybe that was different with rural schools vs urban.

We would mingle when I was in track but it was usually out on the field, we had our space but tents weren't a thing back in the late 90s, I agree though, it was a lot more trusting back then. I'm sure the tent thing came about because of theft. My experience was more in a dugout situation and it would be noticed and more than one person would have said it.

I image power lighting is a much tighter community too. My senses are starting to make me think, it was a rain delay and his friends were pumping him up that he wouldn't go in there or something along those lines and he couldn't handle being disrespected. Just no sense in this at all.
Ellis Wyatt
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People glossing over him being under another team's tent, uninvited

What if it was a locker room? A school building? Another team's bus?

I have no idea WHY KA was in another team's space. I do know that every kid out there knew that isn't something you do if you aren't invited. Kids go into otherwise unoccupied spaces at sporting events all the time to steal phones, EarPods, wallets, shoes, etc. (ask Albert Connell) Sometimes that is done by kids affiliated with the school and sometimes kids affiliated with the opponent. It happens at probably every school every year. It's a huge problem.

I would expect each team to be on guard for that reason and for each kid to know to stay out of those spaces. There's no chance KA was unaware he was provoking a response. Maybe he thought no one would catch him there.

Regardless, one kid is dead and will never be able to tell what KA was doing or said immediately before stabbing Metcalf.
Z3phyr
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I ran track in high school and college. Brief hello is normally but hanging out in a tent is weird. Now to be fair I could see if you were going somewhere and it suddenly was raining hard you might get under a different tent briefly. BUT if someone was giving you an issue and you really wanted to get out of the rain there was literally another tent right next to that one
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Was he a participant for his school, or a spectator? Was he in street clothes or uniform? Seems I read he was suspended. dont know if that is true or not. If he was suspended, he was not to be on any school property.
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Owlagdad said:

Was he a participant for his school, or a spectator? Was he in street clothes or uniform? Seems I read he was suspended. dont know if that is true or not. If he was suspended, he was not to be on any school property.
my understanding was his school wasn't even at the event and the reason he wasn't with them is because he was suspended for having a weapon (knife) on campus.

How much of that is internet telephone and how much is true I dont know.
usmcbrooks
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I swear I read that he was suspended when it happened. I found this, not sure how credible it is.

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At the time of the fatal stabbing of 17-year-old student-athlete Austin Metcalf at a Frisco ISD track meet in April 2025, Anthony was serving an active school suspension and was not supposed to be at the event.

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Z3phyr said:

I ran track in high school and college. Brief hello is normally but hanging out in a tent is weird. Now to be fair I could see if you were going somewhere and it suddenly was raining hard you might get under a different tent briefly. BUT if someone was giving you an issue and you really wanted to get out of the rain there was literally another tent right next to that one

According to the police report, there was a locker room nearby. He could have gotten out of the rain by standing in front of that, if that was Antony's main concern.
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usmcbrooks said:

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I don't disagree that Anthony likely knew he wasn't supposed to be in there, but track meet rules aren't legally binding.

According to the Memorial High School track coach Robert Starr, all students signa "Code of Conduct" letter which includes that they will not bring not bring weapons in any shape form or fashion.

Obviously I am not a lawyer, so my question is this. Is that Code of Conduct letter a legal binding agreement between the students and the school and does it hold any value in a court of law?




Not a lawyer but it's my understanding that minors can't sign legally binding documents/contracts. Their parents or guardians have to sign
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Thunder18 said:

usmcbrooks said:

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I don't disagree that Anthony likely knew he wasn't supposed to be in there, but track meet rules aren't legally binding.

According to the Memorial High School track coach Robert Starr, all students signa "Code of Conduct" letter which includes that they will not bring not bring weapons in any shape form or fashion.

Obviously I am not a lawyer, so my question is this. Is that Code of Conduct letter a legal binding agreement between the students and the school and does it hold any value in a court of law?




Not a lawyer but it's my understanding that minors can't sign legally binding documents/contracts. Their parents or guardians have to sign

Pretty sure we do when we register our kid every year or there is a parent release for it.
usmcbrooks
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Gotcha.

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You are often asked to sign an acknowledgment form stating you have received the Code of Conduct. This signature is not a contractual agreement, but rather a legal receipt ensuring the district has fulfilled its statutory duty to provide you with notice of the rules.

So he knew the rules and still decided to break them.
Z3phyr
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I imagine once the testimony of the witnesses are on record it will be wrapped up pretty quickly on the "reasonable fear for safety" question. That won't stop the KA camp from claiming everything is raci$t though
oh no
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prosecution's witness Coach Rob Starr, lover of Austin and Hunter Metcalf, first adult responder to Austin laying there bleeding out murdered, who already told the court he saw sweet sweet melo casually walking away from the scene with coaches when he arrived, just FYI:


Z3phyr
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Ellis Wyatt said:


Regardless, one kid is dead and will never be able to tell what KA was doing or said immediately before stabbing Metcalf.

The defense's argument is that KA was threatened by 4 people so you have 3 witnesses to tell what happened right before
Jarrin Jay
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It would matter if he called him and N and punched him and shoved him to get out of the tent. This is not a home invasion scenario, and the perp is the instigator in all of this. There is no "in fear for his life" when he instigated it and could have left at any time.

He is guilty of murder and should be put in prison for 50+ years minimum with no chance of parole.
normalhorn
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Regardless of the Code of Conduct waiver being a legally binding contract, the murderer was in violation of Texas Penal Code (Section 46.03) by being in possession of a weapon on school property. From what I read, the knife was 5.5" or longer, which would make him guilty of possessing a "location-restricted knife". I'm not an attorney, so I may be completely wrong in my opinion.

Why he was not also charged with a 3rd Degree Felony in this case, I don't know.
Z3phyr
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From CBS:

After a lunch break, the prosecution called a Memorial High School track athlete to the stand who witnessed the fatal encounter between his teammate Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony. The judge prohibited the media from identifying the witness.
The witness said that by the time he arrived, Anthony was already under the Memorial High School tent in the bleachers at Kuykendall Stadium. The witness recounted that he and other Memorial athletes under the tent asked Anthony to leave multiple times.
At first it was not aggressive, he said, but then tensions escalated.
"I remember Karmelo refusing to leave and Austin saying 'You need to leave,' and Karmelo saying 'Touch me and find out,'" the witness said.
The witness also denied that anyone was ganging up on Anthony, and that Anthony was the one provoking the situation. The defense is arguing that Anthony acted in self defense.
"Austin leans in to push him and Karmelo stabs him," the witness said. "Karmelo had his hands inside a backpack and we thought it was bluff."
He said he and others didn't believe Anthony would do anything because they live in a safe community.
Z3phyr
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normalhorn said:

Regardless of the Code of Conduct waiver being a legally binding contract, the murderer was in violation of Texas Penal Code (Section 46.03) by being in possession of a weapon on school property. From what I read, the knife was 5.5" or longer, which would make him guilty of possessing a "location-restricted knife". I'm not an attorney, so I may be completely wrong in my opinion.

Why he was not also charged with a 3rd Degree Felony in this case, I don't know.

Also from CBS:

"The jury was then shown a photo of the knife, which appears to be a 5-inch folding knife with blood on it as it lay on the ground in the bleachers of the stadium"
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It was a > 5 inch knife? Wow. I thought it was a little pocket knife.
usmcbrooks
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The defense's argument is that KA sold them a tale that he was threatened by 4 people so you have 3 witnesses to tell what happened right before

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