The Gaza debate

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samurai_science
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HoustonAg2106 said:

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So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO


If you think an entire race of people should starve to death including babies that's cool man, just say it so we know what you're all about

What race? Also, you are free to give food and money. It wont get to them, but go for it.

HAMAS is holding up the food, and the people support HAMAS. Take the L


I look forward to the Muslims countries giving them aid, oh wait. They know they are a cancer
BonfireNerd04
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Has the world forgotten World War 2?

By today's standards, the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Dresden, and the mass expulsion of Germans from east of the Oder-Neisse Line, would considered "war crimes" leading to condemnation of Allied leaders. But such actions were necessary against even greater evil.

Extreme enemies require extreme solutions.

Gaza must be wiped off the map once and for all.
samurai_science
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BonfireNerd04 said:



Gaza must be wiped off the map once and for all.

If they want peace, correct.
aezmvp
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samurai_science said:

BonfireNerd04 said:



Gaza must be wiped off the map once and for all.

If they want peace, correct.

Hamas' failure to negotiate in good faith combined with Macron and Stammer's provocation will likely lead to the annexation and carving up of Gaza. Well deserved and completely stupid.
txags92
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Queso1 said:

What would you like them to do? Don't impute western democratic values and rights to people living under terror. But, I guess whatever helps you sleep at night…

I would like them to give the remains of the dead hostages back to their families and release the live ones. Renouncing terrorism and recognizing the right of Israel to exist would be a nice touch too. If they did those three things, I bet the "genocide" would stop tomorrow.
samurai_science
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txags92 said:

Queso1 said:

What would you like them to do? Don't impute western democratic values and rights to people living under terror. But, I guess whatever helps you sleep at night…

I would like them to give the remains of the dead hostages back to their families and release the live ones. Renouncing terrorism and recognizing the right of Israel to exist would be a nice touch too. If they did those three things, I bet the "genocide" would stop tomorrow.

They have rejected a two state solution at least three times that I know of, so I dont think that will happen.
samurai_science
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agracer said:

4 said:

agracer said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

You think they have a real choice in the matter?

There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

Yes, arms flow like water in the Gaza strip and West Bank.
txags92
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samurai_science said:

txags92 said:

Queso1 said:

What would you like them to do? Don't impute western democratic values and rights to people living under terror. But, I guess whatever helps you sleep at night…

I would like them to give the remains of the dead hostages back to their families and release the live ones. Renouncing terrorism and recognizing the right of Israel to exist would be a nice touch too. If they did those three things, I bet the "genocide" would stop tomorrow.

They have rejected a two state solution at least three times that I know of, so I dont think that will happen.

Well they would rather die than recognize the right of Israel to exist, so Israel is just giving them what they want.
Stan Crowch
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Has the world forgotten World War 2?

By today's standards, the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Dresden, and the mass expulsion of Germans from east of the Oder-Neisse Line, would considered "war crimes" leading to condemnation of Allied leaders. But such actions were necessary against even greater evil.

Extreme enemies require extreme solutions.

Gaza must be wiped off the map once and for all.


Almost like a final solution. Amazing.
mslags97
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shiftyandquick said:

Interesting how things are going now.

Trump says the starvation is real, not fake. And apparently the US is now going to intervene.

MTG says "genocide" is occurring against Gaza.

In contrast Randy Fine says until hostages are released "starve away." It appears that AIPAC has now dropped him. I guess it's actually possible to be so pro-Israel that not even Israel can support you.

The optics of pictures of starving children on the front pages of newspapers across the world, one wonders what Israel is doing/thinking. Their line is its all Hamas' fault, they bear zero responsibility for the starvation that the rest of the world is observing.

Pope weighing in recently against Israel. France now recognizing Palestine as a state.

I know most people here would seem to comport their views to Randy Fine. But you guys are increasingly the fringe radical minority.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/aipac-appears-to-drop-endorsement-of-gop-lawmaker-who-called-to-starve-away-until-hostages-freed/


Where is your post talking about the atrocities of Oct 7? And are you really so dense to understand the connection with Hamas…. They are not separate. These people supported and still support Hamas.
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LMCane said:

I stand with Senator Cotton

would love for the Hamas terrorist supporters to explain how it was that the British and the United States enforced an armed blockade on both Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany...

and yet now hamas supporters demand one belligerent actually provide food to their enemy belligerent while engaged in a shooting war.

did the USA send food to Japan in 1945? or sink every single Japanese ship they could find?



Excellent point by Senator Cotton.

This is a declared war. There is one way it's going to end, and it has been the same since the day it began. Release the hostages and full surrender. Everything that has happened since that point isn't on the Israelis. They have zero obligation to aid the enemy. It's on the people that enable Hamas to continue to exist.
shiftyandquick
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Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.
Im Gipper
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Here is his post from then:

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If Israel embarked on a full-scale genocide, it could expect to be attacked by all surrounding countries at once. Iran, Saudia Arabia, Egypt.

Armageddon-style.



Started pushing the genocide lie from the get-go. And was completely wrong about how other Arab states would react.

I'm Gipper
samurai_science
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Stan Crowch said:

BonfireNerd04 said:

Has the world forgotten World War 2?

By today's standards, the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Dresden, and the mass expulsion of Germans from east of the Oder-Neisse Line, would considered "war crimes" leading to condemnation of Allied leaders. But such actions were necessary against even greater evil.

Extreme enemies require extreme solutions.

Gaza must be wiped off the map once and for all.


Almost like a final solution. Amazing.

Still have the West Bank, so not really
Tom Fox
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shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?
army01
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4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

Yep...I remember all of those 3 year olds on October 7th jumping up and down cheering. They sure are finding out!
eric76
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If I remember correctly, Hamas was actually formed out of an Egyptian terrorist movement.

A number of Arab contries want Hamas to disarm, give their weapons to the Palestinian Authority, and end their rule of Gaza.

From https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-sign-declaration-calling-for-hamas-to-disarm-leave-gaza-at-un-2-state-confab/

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Arab countries, including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, have signed onto a statement calling for Hamas to disarm and end its rule of Gaza, in a bid to end the devastating war in the Palestinian territory.

Seventeen countries, plus the European Union and Arab League, are throwing their weight behind a seven-page text agreed at a United Nations conference on reviving the two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians.

"In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State," says the declaration.

The text also condemns the deadly Hamas attacks against Israel on October 7, 2023, which launched the war.

Whenever a country takes in a sizable number of Palestinians, all the Palestinians are going to do is try to spread their terrorism to that country.

For example, look at Iceland. They took in some Palestinians and so the Palestinians started protesting that they need to bring in all of their relatives as well.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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agracer said:

4 said:

agracer said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

You think they have a real choice in the matter?

There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.


You can't save everyone.
samurai_science
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army01 said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

Yep...I remember all of those 3 year olds on October 7th jumping up and down cheering. They sure are finding out!

Sins of the father. Israel has nothing to do with the food
shiftyandquick
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Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

You really think the America First movement wants to endlessly send money to Israel? You guys are the outliers. The "starve them", "kill them", "send a blank check" folks. The percentage of folks like yall is rapidly shrinking.
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No one ever acknowledges that Hamas WANTS Israel to keep bombing Gaza. Its been extremely successful in turning global sentiment against Israel.

Israel should stop for that reason alone. The collateral damage is hurting Israel much more than its hurting Hamas. That isnt even debatable.
2040huck
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Tell the Gazans to turn on Hamas and let Israel finish the job. It's a war that Hamas started. Soft stomached Americans should STFU about it and let Israel finish the job in the only way those muslim ****s understand.

Fine. As long as we stop sending them billions of dollars
Tom Fox
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shiftyandquick said:

Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

You really think the America First movement wants to endlessly send money to Israel? You guys are the outliers. The "starve them", "kill them", "send a blank check" folks. The percentage of folks like yall is rapidly shrinking.


If it involves killing Arabs, we can give them the planned parenthood money. I'm good with it.
2040huck
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Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought
Tom Fox
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2040huck said:

Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought


Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.
BonfireNerd04
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Stan Crowch said:

BonfireNerd04 said:

Has the world forgotten World War 2?

By today's standards, the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Dresden, and the mass expulsion of Germans from east of the Oder-Neisse Line, would considered "war crimes" leading to condemnation of Allied leaders. But such actions were necessary against even greater evil.

Extreme enemies require extreme solutions.

Gaza must be wiped off the map once and for all.


Almost like a final solution. Amazing.


Indeed. Not necessarily that kind of final solution. But forced population transfer, along the lines of what Czechoslovakia actually called "the final solution to the German problem" in the Sudetenland.

Not doing so will lead to perpetual October 7 attacks.
BonfireNerd04
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army01 said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

Yep...I remember all of those 3 year olds on October 7th jumping up and down cheering. They sure are finding out!


Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But given how well Hamas brainwashed its children, recruits them to child soldier training camps, and promotes a playground game called "Stab the Jews", it wouldn't surprise me at all if 3-year-olds cheered October 7.

The "innocent" children of Gaza are the modern Hitler Youth.
cheeky
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2040huck said:

4 said:

Move to where the food is.

Why not move to some friendly Muslim country so they can live in peace with their brothers?

Or we could give the Jews a few million acres in Montana and be done with that he11hole

I'd rather we give them Canada.
BigRobSA
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eric76 said:

If I remember correctly, Hamas was actually formed out of an Egyptian terrorist movement.

A number of Arab contries want Hamas to disarm, give their weapons to the Palestinian Authority, and end their rule of Gaza.

From https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-sign-declaration-calling-for-hamas-to-disarm-leave-gaza-at-un-2-state-confab/

Quote:

Arab countries, including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, have signed onto a statement calling for Hamas to disarm and end its rule of Gaza, in a bid to end the devastating war in the Palestinian territory.

Seventeen countries, plus the European Union and Arab League, are throwing their weight behind a seven-page text agreed at a United Nations conference on reviving the two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians.

"In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State," says the declaration.

The text also condemns the deadly Hamas attacks against Israel on October 7, 2023, which launched the war.

Whenever a country takes in a sizable number of Palestinians, all the Palestinians are going to do is try to spread their terrorism to that country.

For example, look at Iceland. They took in some Palestinians and so the Palestinians started protesting that they need to bring in all of their relatives as well.

Every country that has tried to be kind and offer asylum to these people has had the same problem. Even their own Muslim brethren won't take them in. Speaks volumes....

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agracer said:

4 said:

agracer said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

You think they have a real choice in the matter?

There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

We beat off the Britts back in the 1700's..............

They can take their government back, they just believe what Hamas does, so why fight them?
BigRobSA
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2040huck said:

Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought

Liberal fiscal policy does that. Every. Single. Time.
Phatbob
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BonfireNerd04 said:

army01 said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

Yep...I remember all of those 3 year olds on October 7th jumping up and down cheering. They sure are finding out!


Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But given how well Hamas brainwashed its children, recruits them to child soldier training camps, and promotes a playground game called "Stab the Jews", it wouldn't surprise me at all if 3-year-olds cheered October 7.

The "innocent" children of Gaza are the modern Hitler Youth.


It's the death cult within the death cult.
BigRobSA
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2023NCAggies said:

agracer said:

4 said:

agracer said:

4 said:

So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

You think they have a real choice in the matter?

There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

We beat off the Britts back in the 1700's..............

They can take their government back, they just believe what Hamas does, so why fight them?

Ummm, phrasing!
Zachary Klement
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Tom Fox said:

2040huck said:

Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought


Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.
Entitlements for American citizens? Bad!

Entitlements for Israel? Good!

How did we get to the point where this is the prevailing school of thought for Republicans?
BigRobSA
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Zachary Klement said:

Tom Fox said:

2040huck said:

Tom Fox said:

shiftyandquick said:

Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.


Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought


Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.

Entitlements for American citizens? Bad!

Entitlements for Israel? Good!

How did we get to the point where this is the prevailing school of thought for Republicans?

Most of us are against both. I know I am, but I'm an actual conservative that loves my country and thinks every other country can go F itself.
 
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