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In shocking news, Carlson puts on a liar Aguilar and amplifies the lies

EXCLUSIVE: @realDailyWire has obtained evidence that challenges ex-Gaza Humanitarian Foundation contractor Tony Aguilar’s viral claim that a Gazan boy named Amir was killed by the IDF on May 28.

Long thread time 👇 pic.twitter.com/gVKUG0VkFR

— Kassy Akiva (@KassyAkiva) August 11, 2025

Fraud: This is brutal and shows how easily the media falls for misinformation when it fits specific narratives.

Several outlets have been promoting ex-GHF employee, Anthony Aguilar, and his claims. Here GHF shows receipts confronting his defamatory claims.

- Aguilar claims he…

— AG (@AGHamilton29) July 29, 2025

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I think all it takes to figure out what is going on is to try to google search the GHF press release about Aguilar's termination. Google will not show you that it exists. But using the same exact search term brings it up as the first result on Duckduckgo. If Google doesn't want you to hear their side of it there must be a reason...

Israel government is losing the political war internationally and also support is eroding domestically over there for their current approach. Coming up on two years blasting away at an area the size of Houston metropolitan area and despite all that time and tremendous cost they have still been unable to recover/free all the hostages or eliminate Hamas as a military and political force. It is a huge problem and they are faced with either tripling down and going even harder on the ground Iwo Jima assault style with significant Israeli troop and civilian casualties….basically exactly what Hamas 'Tar-Baby' strategy is hoping they do….and the longer that takes them, the even more they will continue to lose the political war. Or they will have to rethink the long term strategy. The current government seems pretty boxed in where a change in strategy probably isn't an option. Netanyahu has to either militarily attack until he can say Hamas is completely gone, or his government implodes.

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Israel government is losing the political war internationally and also support is eroding domestically over there for their current approach. Coming up on two years blasting away at an area the size of Houston metropolitan area and despite all that time and tremendous cost they have still been unable to recover/free all the hostages or eliminate Hamas as a military and political force. It is a huge problem and they are faced with either tripling down and going even harder on the ground Iwo Jima assault style with significant Israeli troop and civilian casualties….basically exactly what Hamas 'Tar-Baby' strategy is hoping they do….and the longer that takes them, the even more they will continue to lose the political war. Or they will have to rethink the long term strategy. The current government seems pretty boxed in where a change in strategy probably isn't an option. Netanyahu has to either militarily attack until he can say Hamas is completely gone, or his government implodes.

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This is where I am also. I am a staunch supporter of Israel, but that doesn't stop me from looking at their military strategy and thinking that what they are doing now isn't likely to work.

Everything should be focused on what the future looks like for Gaza at this point. If you couldn't kill Hamas in 2 years, it's not likely going to happen in 3 years either. Do they want to be there for 10 or 20 years? As pumpkinhead mentioned, Israeli public support is already waning.

The world let Israel have 2 years to figure this out, and worldwide opinion is turning because it seems clear that outside of getting revenge on Hamas guys and getting the hostages back there isn't a plan for Gaza going forward.

One poster mentioned annexing, and I think that's what they should do as well, but I haven't heard Israel suggest that plan publicly. I think they should have announced that plan from the beginning when they had sympathy on their side. Now they've used a lot of that sympathy and will have to deal with significantly more backlash if they announce a plan to annex Gaza.

Im gonna have to disagree with the annexation plan being accepted if done early. It would have just prompted the Frances and Australia's of the world to recognize a Palestinian state sooner.

Tell me exactly when "the world" had sympathy with Israel.

this was DEARBORN, MICHIGAN, USA on OCTOBER 15, 2023.

8 days after Hamas murdered 1200 Israelis.

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Israel government is losing the political war internationally and also support is eroding domestically over there for their current approach. Coming up on two years blasting away at an area the size of Houston metropolitan area and despite all that time and tremendous cost they have still been unable to recover/free all the hostages or eliminate Hamas as a military and political force. It is a huge problem and they are faced with either tripling down and going even harder on the ground Iwo Jima assault style with significant Israeli troop and civilian casualties….basically exactly what Hamas 'Tar-Baby' strategy is hoping they do….and the longer that takes them, the even more they will continue to lose the political war. Or they will have to rethink the long term strategy. The current government seems pretty boxed in where a change in strategy probably isn't an option. Netanyahu has to either militarily attack until he can say Hamas is completely gone, or his government implodes.

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Thats why we have an imminent final invasion of the strip.

It's a great picture you posted, not sure what you're trying to argue with it though. A bunch of ignorant whack jobs in Dearborn don't speak for the world.

The vast majority of the world (especially governments) sympathized with Israel after Oct 7th. Yes a very vocal minority did not. But now we're seeing significant changes in world opinion at the decision maker level. That's very bad for Israel.

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Im gonna have to disagree with the annexation plan being accepted if done early. It would have just prompted the Frances and Australia's of the world to recognize a Palestinian state sooner.

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I'm not sure about that. The Israelis had good top cover in the months right after the attack and maybe could have used Trump's reelection to try and force the annexation through as the best peace plan. Trump would have loved it and it would have given him another chance to play the peacemaker.

Now Israel is going to run up against international law if it tries to annex territory that France and others recognize as a state. Not that international law will stop them, but it's a new hurdle that didn't exist just 8 months ago.

I dont think the Israeli govt is gonna care that much. I just dont see how, at this point, the hunger problem, the civilian death problem, the infrastructure problem, etc, can be solved if 1) hamas stays around 2) without someone occupying the strip

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Im gonna have to disagree with the annexation plan being accepted if done early. It would have just prompted the Frances and Australia's of the world to recognize a Palestinian state sooner.

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Did France ever recognize the postwar German-Polish border?

In the immediate aftermath of the war, they continued to recognize the 1937 borders as an excuse to refuse to let German expellees into their occupation zone. Since France wasn't invited to the Potsdam Conference, they decided to pick and choose which of its decisions applied to them.

Does anyone think she is lying or misrepresenting what is actually happening in the region? I don't.

I really think everyone, mainly Christians, need to get a better understanding of what Israel is doing and what they have been doing for decades. I am fully convinced they are trying to exterminate a whole group of people and white wash important cultural, religious and historical sites, including Christian ones, to fit their own views. Maybe what has happened to the Jews throughout history has some type of impact on this, but what Israel is currently doing in Gaza is just as horrific as what occurred to them during the Holocaust, and other times throughout history - they are systematically killing thousands of people. It needs to end and we need to stop supporting it.

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what Israel is currently doing in Gaza is just as horrific as what occurred to them during the Holocaust

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Right. You can usually tell right away who has taken themselves out of reasonable conversation.

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It's a great picture you posted, not sure what you're trying to argue with it though. A bunch of ignorant whack jobs in Dearborn don't speak for the world.

The vast majority of the world (especially governments) sympathized with Israel after Oct 7th. Yes a very vocal minority did not. But now we're seeing significant changes in world opinion at the decision maker level. That's very bad for Israel.

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No they didn't. Less than 3 weeks after 10/7 the UN could overwhelmingly pass a resolution calling for Israeli restraint and humanitarian aid to gaza while talking about Israel's "illegal occupation"...

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By a recorded vote of 120 in favour to 14 against, with 45 abstentions, the Assembly adopted the resolution titled "Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations" (document A/ES-10/L.25), demanding that all parties immediately and fully comply with their obligations under international law, including international humanitarian law.

Resuming the 193-member organ's tenth emergency special session on the "Illegal Israeli actions in occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory", the Assembly called for immediate, full, sustained, safe and unhindered humanitarian access for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) and other UN humanitarian agencies and their implementing partners. It also called for the rescinding of the order by Israel, the occupying Power, for Palestinian civilians and United Nations staff to evacuate all areas in the Gaza Strip north of the Wadi Gaza and relocate to southern Gaza.

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...but they couldn't be bothered to condemn hamas

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Prior to adopting the resolution, the Assembly failed, by a recorded vote of 88 in favour to 55 against, with 23 abstentions, to adopt the amendment titled "Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations" (document A/ES-10/L.26). In addition to unequivocally rejecting and condemning the terrorist attacks by Hamas that took place in Israel starting on 7 October 2023, the rejected amendment would have also condemned the taking of hostages and would have demanded the safety, well-being and humane treatment of those hostages in compliance with international law and call for their immediate and unconditional release.

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https://press.un.org/en/2023/ga12548.doc.htm

The UN has been passing resolutions condemning Israel for decades now. From 2015 through 2023, the UN General Assembly adopted 154 resolutions against Israel and 71 against all other countries combined.

Nothing about Oct 7th was going to change that trend. The votes you reference are just a continuation of the same votes the GA has been conducting for years.

You can believe what you want, but I believe that most of the world was ok giving Israel the opportunity to knock out Hamas by staying on the sidelines. Now after almost 2 years it's getting harder to stay on the sidelines.

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BlackGold said:

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what Israel is currently doing in Gaza is just as horrific as what occurred to them during the Holocaust

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Right. You can usually tell right away who has taken themselves out of reasonable conversation.

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You don't think the systematic killing and destruction of a population isn't horrific? It doesn't matter how you decide to carry it out - starvation, gassing, shooting, bombing, etc. - it's is all terrible and indefensible.

The world supported Israel but couldn't condemn hamas less than 3 weeks after they tortured and murdered hundreds, including children?

Yeah, no. Maybe you forgot the immediate protests and encampments with slogans like, "We are hamas," "By any means necessary," and, "From the river to the sea" and the widespread progressive justification and support for hamas as, "resistance," and, "decolonization," but the rest of us have not. Hamas supporters ran rampant across Europe for a year while police and politicians looked on and shrugged their shoulders. Keffiyahs were ubiquitous across American campuses as Jewish students were harassed and attacked. All of that started in October 2023, and it continued with outright denialism of 10/7. Even this year, Greta and her ilk couldn't beat to watch the how their beloved palestinians documented themselves as they went pillaging through Israel. No, that would mean that Israel might actually be justified in moving back into Gaza after leaving them to their own devices for 20 years.

The world certainly did not support Israel before, during, or are 10/7. You can pretend otherwise all you want, but that's the reality.

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BlackGold said:

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what Israel is currently doing in Gaza is just as horrific as what occurred to them during the Holocaust

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Right. You can usually tell right away who has taken themselves out of reasonable conversation.

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You don't think the systematic killing and destruction of a population isn't horrific? It doesn't matter how you decide to carry it out - starvation, gassing, shooting, bombing, etc. - it's is all terrible and indefensible.

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The Germans killed thousands of Jews and others every day for 5 years. They practiced torture and murder on an industrial scale with ruthless efficiency. If Israel is "systemically" killing an entire population like the Germans, they're doing a ****ing terrible job. Almost 2 years in and there're just as many palestinians today as 2023. Hell, the number of people killed by Israel in an active warzone, including hamas fighters, wouldn't even be a week of German murder.

And if there was truly so much starvation going on, why would the likes of Time and the NYT have to stage sympathetic photos and make material misrepresentations of the subjects? Maybe it's because they can't find enough actually starving children to photograph...

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BlackGold said:

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what Israel is currently doing in Gaza is just as horrific as what occurred to them during the Holocaust

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Right. You can usually tell right away who has taken themselves out of reasonable conversation.

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You don't think the systematic killing and destruction of a population isn't horrific? It doesn't matter how you decide to carry it out - starvation, gassing, shooting, bombing, etc. - it's is all terrible and indefensible.

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It's like listening to a German expellee or a Japanese atomic bomb survivor. Sucks what happened to you, but your country kind of earned it.

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BlackGold said:

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BlackGold said:

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what Israel is currently doing in Gaza is just as horrific as what occurred to them during the Holocaust

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Right. You can usually tell right away who has taken themselves out of reasonable conversation.

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You don't think the systematic killing and destruction of a population isn't horrific? It doesn't matter how you decide to carry it out - starvation, gassing, shooting, bombing, etc. - it's is all terrible and indefensible.

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It's like listening to a German expellee or a Japanese atomic bomb survivor. Sucks what happened to you, but your country kind of earned it.

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I got nothin.

It's kind of hard to document the suffering of civilians when Israel targets and kills journalists.

No. Just no

Gaza men/father and women/mothers are not starving. They are starving their own children. Hamas is controlling the food distribution. Major media is not going to portray a true picture.

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It's kind of hard to document the suffering of civilians when Israel targets and kills journalists.

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Ahh, I see. That must be why they have to stage everything they report... if they were documenting the real thing, they'd be dead, because Jews.

I mean, it's literally Israeli policy. They don't allow international journalists in. And they killed a contingent of 5 Al Jazeera journalists within the last 48 hours. They were conveniently deemed terrorists just before Israel is set to take Gaza City. I'm not spewing some crazy anti semitic conspiracy and I don't appreciate the insinuation.

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I mean, it's literally Israeli policy. They don't allow international journalists in. And they killed a contingent of 5 Al Jazeera journalists within the last 48 hours. They were conveniently deemed terrorists just before Israel is set to take Gaza City. I'm not spewing some crazy anti semitic conspiracy and I don't appreciate the insinuation.

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What if they actually were terrorists?

It's possible I guess

So you're arguing that we should weight the morality of a genocide based on its scale? So, by that logic, some ethnic cleansings are less bad than others? Good grief. Any systematic killing of a people is horrible, regardless of scale. There aren't enough people in the Palestinian area to kill to equal how many Jews were killed by Nazis, so it won't ever be as bad? I can't believe we have to argue if murdering and relocating whole populations is a bad thing or not.

If you listen to what the nun has to say in the video I posted, maybe you would think differently about how Israel approaches and really views ANY non Jews in the area. She has no reason to lie.

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I mean, it's literally Israeli policy. They don't allow international journalists in. And they killed a contingent of 5 Al Jazeera journalists within the last 48 hours. They were conveniently deemed terrorists just before Israel is set to take Gaza City. I'm not spewing some crazy anti semitic conspiracy and I don't appreciate the insinuation.

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It's pretty easy to tell what perspective people have based on who they are willing to believe without skepticism. There have been a multitude of "aid workers", "journalists", "civilians", etc, that used the title as cover for terrorist activities there. There is also a large dataset of "journalists" staging stories for a particular anti-Israel narrative.

Israel is just as fallible as any country is, but when you easily accept a line like "Israel is targetting and killing journalists", my insinuation has merit based on who you are willing to believe despite the mountain of evidence of their untrustworthiness .

No, I'm saying Israel is not committing genocide at all, and it's stupid to compare a war zone to the Holocaust. We killed 80k people in one night firebombing Tokyo. We dropped two nukes on them killing another 150k. That's on top of the countless thousands of others we killed in bombing raids. We also worked to disrupt food distribution networks. The Japanese couldn't ship anything via water due to mines and submarines, and their land transportation was limited because we starved them of fuel.

Did we genocide the Japanese? No. We waged war on them. The deep irony in all of this is that if the palestinians had a recognized state like Japan or Germany, this would simply be seen like any other war with collateral damage.

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I mean, it's literally Israeli policy. They don't allow international journalists in. And they killed a contingent of 5 Al Jazeera journalists within the last 48 hours. They were conveniently deemed terrorists just before Israel is set to take Gaza City. I'm not spewing some crazy anti semitic conspiracy and I don't appreciate the insinuation.

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Weird how NYT and Time can get photos of "starving" palestinians and a German magazine can debunk their claims...

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-killed-five-al-jazeera-journalists-in-airstrike-network-says-a8dd7934?st=tgWnA8&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Here is a WSJ article with a reference to 190 journalists and media workers being killed in Gaza since October 7th. I'm not saying Israel doesn't have good reason to not want journalists covering Gaza. I'm not saying they were all innocent. But Israel does as a matter of practice target journalists.

Stan Crowch said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-killed-five-al-jazeera-journalists-in-airstrike-network-says-a8dd7934?st=tgWnA8&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Here is a WSJ article with a reference to 190 journalists and media workers being killed in Gaza since October 7th. I'm not saying Israel doesn't have good reason to not want journalists covering Gaza. I'm not saying they were all innocent. But Israel does as a matter of practice target journalists.

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You mean this reference? The Committee to Protect Journalists

Yeah, they even have a debunked staged photo as the main headline. They have an agenda.

It doesn't take more than 30 seconds of fact checking to see where the "data" comes from, and you can hide behind what someone else is reporting, but the lack of skepticism betrays the desire to believe.

Have a good night my friend.

Nearing 800 posts on this thread and while their are lots of critiques of Israel, not one single plan for what they can do to secure their nation "the right way".

Well I can make a pretty convincing argument that Israel has royally messed up here.

For 77 years no Western nation has recognized a Palestinian state. Hamas was able to goad Israel into an impossible conflict, and now 2 years later France, Canada, Australia and the UK are going to recognize a Palestinian state. All of you hardliners can defend Israel's right to wage war all you want, but they're going to pay an extremely heavy price here once Palestine is recognized. It will only further embolden Hamas to keep fighting. The lesson they learn here is that violence works. Blame the rest of the world of you want, but Israel needs to get real about what's happening here and manage the situation much better.