BigRobSA said:

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Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.

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Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

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Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought

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Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.

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Entitlements for American citizens? Bad!

Entitlements for Israel? Good!

How did we get to the point where this is the prevailing school of thought for Republicans?

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Most of us are against both. I know I am, but I'm an actual conservative that loves my country and thinks every other country can go F itself.

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I'm not sure about most, but it's definitely good that there are people like you that want to reign in the money we fling around to foreign countries.

Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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2040huck said:

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Tom Fox said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.

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Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

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Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought

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Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.

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Entitlements for American citizens? Bad!

Entitlements for Israel? Good!

How did we get to the point where this is the prevailing school of thought for Republicans?

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Most of us are against both. I know I am, but I'm an actual conservative that loves my country and thinks every other country can go F itself.

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I'm not sure about most, but it's definitely good that there are people like you that want to reign in the money we fling around to foreign countries.

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rein

BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Tom Fox said:

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2040huck said:

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Tom Fox said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.

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Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

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Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought

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Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.

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Entitlements for American citizens? Bad!

Entitlements for Israel? Good!

How did we get to the point where this is the prevailing school of thought for Republicans?

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Most of us are against both. I know I am, but I'm an actual conservative that loves my country and thinks every other country can go F itself.

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I'm not sure about most, but it's definitely good that there are people like you that want to reign in the money we fling around to foreign countries.

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rein

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Been a long day, that's embarrassing!

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agracer said:

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So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

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You think they have a real choice in the matter?

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There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

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They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

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The colonists in America had a bunch of Kentucky long rifles and told the greatest army and Navy in the world to go F themselves.

They don't have the will to be free of Hamas, but what's more, and what most liberals don't want to admit, is that their society does not in whole oppose Hamas.

They support them. Watch their actions.

Believe people when they tell you who they are.

Tom Fox said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Tom Fox said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.

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Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

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You really think the America First movement wants to endlessly send money to Israel? You guys are the outliers. The "starve them", "kill them", "send a blank check" folks. The percentage of folks like yall is rapidly shrinking.

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If it involves killing Arabs, we can give them the planned parenthood money. I'm good with it.

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Genius

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agracer said:

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4 said:

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agracer said:

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4 said:

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So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

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You think they have a real choice in the matter?

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There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

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They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

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The colonists in America had a bunch of Kentucky long rifles and told the greatest army and Navy in the world to go F themselves.

They don't have the will to be free of Hamas, but what's more, and what most liberals don't want to admit, is that their society does not in whole oppose Hamas.

They support them. Watch their actions.

Believe people when they tell you who they are.

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What are people telling you they are when they shoot and kill innocent civilians coming to get humanitarian aid?

Proof?

Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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agracer said:

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4 said:

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agracer said:

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4 said:

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So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

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You think they have a real choice in the matter?

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There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

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They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

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The colonists in America had a bunch of Kentucky long rifles and told the greatest army and Navy in the world to go F themselves.

They don't have the will to be free of Hamas, but what's more, and what most liberals don't want to admit, is that their society does not in whole oppose Hamas.

They support them. Watch their actions.

Believe people when they tell you who they are.

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What are people telling you they are when they shoot and kill innocent civilians coming to get humanitarian aid?

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Agree with 4, let's see proof not provided by Hamas.

Zachary Klement said:

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Tom Fox said:

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2040huck said:

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Tom Fox said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Can Israel survive over the long-term with no financial or military aid from the west? Apparently that is what Israel wants to find out.

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Why exactly would the US cut off aid?

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Maybe because we are broke? Just a thought

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Irrelevant if entitlements are not dealt with. Get back to me when that is on the table.

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Entitlements for American citizens? Bad!

Entitlements for Israel? Good!

How did we get to the point where this is the prevailing school of thought for Republicans?

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How about entitlements for no one!

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As more than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed seeking aid at militarized aid distribution sites run by the U.S.- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a former GHF security contractor tells Democracy Now! he saw U.S. mercenaries and Israeli forces commit war crimes by indiscriminately shooting at starving Palestinians waiting for aid. "What I witnessed in Gaza, I can only describe as a dystopian, post-apocalyptic wasteland," says Anthony Aguilar, a retired U.S. soldier who worked as a subcontractor with UG Solutions in the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid delivery operation. "We, the United States, are complicit. We are involved, hand in hand, in the atrocities and the genocide that is currently undergoing in Gaza."

AMY GOODMAN: We're going to end it there, but I want to just be very clear: You saw former U.S. military, you saw IDF, you saw the Israeli soldiers opening fire on hungry Palestinians.
ANTHONY AGUILAR: Without a doubt, yes, full stop.

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https://www.democracynow.org/2025/7/29/anthony_aguilar_ghf_war_crimes

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More than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces since May while trying to get food, mostly near the new aid sites run by the GHF, an American contractor, the U.N. human rights office says.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-military-says-airdrops-of-humanitarian-aid-will-begin-saturday-night-in-gaza#:~:text=More%20than%201%2C000%20Palestinians%20have,struggled%20to%20get%20enough%20food.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/7/29/live-israel-kills-92-in-gaza-in-one-day-as-death-toll-nears-60000

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/23/nx-s1-5477365/israel-gaza-aid-casualties

2023NCAggies said:

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agracer said:

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4 said:

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agracer said:

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4 said:

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So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

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You think they have a real choice in the matter?

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There's a whole lot more of them than there are of the Hamas soldiers.

So yeah, they have a choice.

They definitely have a choice whether or not to go out in the streets and cheer when Israelis are murdered for no reason.

Throughout time, there have been plenty of cultures that are evil to the bone.

Recognize it or don't. Doesn't change the fact that it's true.

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They're armed?

They have a choice like Iraqi's had a choice during elections after Saddam took power.

The pawns in these games never, ever have a voice or much of a choice.

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We beat off the Britts back in the 1700's..............

They can take their government back, they just believe what Hamas does, so why fight them?

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Phrasing…

Or was that one of the intolerable acts?

The only people happy about starving Palestinian children and dead Palestinian civilians is Hamas.

PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

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None of those "sources" are believable, regardless of who was being interviewed.

I could interview you, and totally change your response, like was done during the election for Kamala.

This is the first claim of such that I've heard, though I still have zero ****s to give. They're in the FO stage of F'ing Around.

This is why I refrain from murdering innocent women, children and men and/or raping them. Well, that and I'm not a terrorist ****stain of a human.

It's a good thing we didn't have social media during WW2.

We never would have liberated Europe.

Of course, the way some of you feel about Jews, you'd probably be okay with that.

BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

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None of those "sources" are believable, regardless of who was being interviewed.

I could interview you, and totally change your response, like was done during the election for Kamala.

This is the first claim of such that I've heard, though I still have zero ****s to give. They're in the FO stage of F'ing Around.

This is why I refrain from murdering innocent women, children and men and/or raping them. Well, that and I'm not a terrorist ****stain of a human.

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So, what is the infallible news source that you trust?

Zachary Klement said:

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As more than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed seeking aid at militarized aid distribution sites run by the U.S.- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a former GHF security contractor tells Democracy Now! he saw U.S. mercenaries and Israeli forces commit war crimes by indiscriminately shooting at starving Palestinians waiting for aid. "What I witnessed in Gaza, I can only describe as a dystopian, post-apocalyptic wasteland," says Anthony Aguilar, a retired U.S. soldier who worked as a subcontractor with UG Solutions in the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid delivery operation. "We, the United States, are complicit. We are involved, hand in hand, in the atrocities and the genocide that is currently undergoing in Gaza."

AMY GOODMAN: We're going to end it there, but I want to just be very clear: You saw former U.S. military, you saw IDF, you saw the Israeli soldiers opening fire on hungry Palestinians.
ANTHONY AGUILAR: Without a doubt, yes, full stop.

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https://www.democracynow.org/2025/7/29/anthony_aguilar_ghf_war_crimes

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More than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces since May while trying to get food, mostly near the new aid sites run by the GHF, an American contractor, the U.N. human rights office says.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-military-says-airdrops-of-humanitarian-aid-will-begin-saturday-night-in-gaza#:~:text=More%20than%201%2C000%20Palestinians%20have,struggled%20to%20get%20enough%20food.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/7/29/live-israel-kills-92-in-gaza-in-one-day-as-death-toll-nears-60000

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/23/nx-s1-5477365/israel-gaza-aid-casualties

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I love how Mr Aguilar completely glosses over the fact that all of those defenses are needed because Hamas and other terrorists attack the food distribution convoys and distribution centers. And that the centers are where they are because that is where the need is, so that people in a combat zone don't have to walk miles through danger to try to get to a distribution site placed outside of the combat area. And he also ignores that the terrorists routinely try to attack people leaving with food to try to steal what they got from the center. But yeah, he is quick to assume that guys are just sitting up there randomly shooting at refugees and killing random civilians for no reason. His hyperbolic discussion of the green tips and their purpose ignores all of the other reasons they are used and the fact that they are not actually all that good at armor penetration.

If you look carefully at how the wording is used in the NPR story, they talk about how about 3/4 of the people allegedly killed were killed "on the way" to the sites, and it does not attribute their deaths to israeli attacks. The other 1/4 were killed when "gunfire erupted around UN Aid convoys or distribution centers". Again, not attributing their deaths to Israelis, likely because the gunfire was hamas attacking the convoys or aid centers to steal the food. Those who died were caught in the middle. And of course all of their stats are from local health officials, UN officials, etc. who have been shown repeatedly to have been thoroughly compromised by Hamas.

Nothing particularly compelling or factual to back up claims that Israel is deliberately killing civilians.

Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

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None of those "sources" are believable, regardless of who was being interviewed.

I could interview you, and totally change your response, like was done during the election for Kamala.

This is the first claim of such that I've heard, though I still have zero ****s to give. They're in the FO stage of F'ing Around.

This is why I refrain from murdering innocent women, children and men and/or raping them. Well, that and I'm not a terrorist ****stain of a human.

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So, what is the infallible news source that you trust?

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To be honest, there isn't one.

Fox is biased in the opposite direction. And I don't use "social" media, nor would I believe anything from that ****hole, either.

sam callahan said:

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It's a good thing we didn't have social media during WW2.

We never would have liberated Europe.

Of course, the way some of you feel about Jews, you'd probably be okay with that.

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an antisemite. The only overt hate I see permitted here is directed toward Arabs and Muslims.

Why isn't the UN providing security for the trucks full of food that they aren't handing out to people? I mean if they actually want to give out the food. (They don't)

BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

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None of those "sources" are believable, regardless of who was being interviewed.

I could interview you, and totally change your response, like was done during the election for Kamala.

This is the first claim of such that I've heard, though I still have zero ****s to give. They're in the FO stage of F'ing Around.

This is why I refrain from murdering innocent women, children and men and/or raping them. Well, that and I'm not a terrorist ****stain of a human.

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So, what is the infallible news source that you trust?

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To be honest, there isn't one.

Fox is biased in the opposite direction. And I don't use "social" media, nor would I believe anything from that ****hole, either.

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Agree with you there, unfortunately.

There is no integrity in the news or politics.

Stan Crowch said:

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sam callahan said:

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It's a good thing we didn't have social media during WW2.

We never would have liberated Europe.

Of course, the way some of you feel about Jews, you'd probably be okay with that.

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an anti-semite. The only overt hate I see permitted here is directed toward Arabs and Muslims.

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Lots of German civilians were starving in 1945. But Americans and British people generally didn't care because they were the enemy.

Naive empathy doesn't win wars.

Stan Crowch said:

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sam callahan said:

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It's a good thing we didn't have social media during WW2.

We never would have liberated Europe.

Of course, the way some of you feel about Jews, you'd probably be okay with that.

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an anti-semite. The only overt hate I see permitted here is directed toward Arabs and Muslims.

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They earned it.

Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

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None of those "sources" are believable, regardless of who was being interviewed.

I could interview you, and totally change your response, like was done during the election for Kamala.

This is the first claim of such that I've heard, though I still have zero ****s to give. They're in the FO stage of F'ing Around.

This is why I refrain from murdering innocent women, children and men and/or raping them. Well, that and I'm not a terrorist ****stain of a human.

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So, what is the infallible news source that you trust?

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To be honest, there isn't one.

Fox is biased in the opposite direction. And I don't use "social" media, nor would I believe anything from that ****hole, either.

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Agree with you there, unfortunately.

There is no integrity in the news or politics.

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So why use an ultra progressive source like Democracy Now as proof?

Teslag said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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4 said:

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PBS
NPR
Democracy now, and....

Al Jazeera??


Ok. I believe you now

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One of the articles that I linked to has an interview with a former Green Beret discussing what he saw firsthand.

I'll try and find a "reliable" source like Charlie Kirk or someone! Or we can just take Israel at their word, as we always do. Oops, we shot a Catholic Church with a tank, Hamas' fault, not ours!

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None of those "sources" are believable, regardless of who was being interviewed.

I could interview you, and totally change your response, like was done during the election for Kamala.

This is the first claim of such that I've heard, though I still have zero ****s to give. They're in the FO stage of F'ing Around.

This is why I refrain from murdering innocent women, children and men and/or raping them. Well, that and I'm not a terrorist ****stain of a human.

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So, what is the infallible news source that you trust?

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To be honest, there isn't one.

Fox is biased in the opposite direction. And I don't use "social" media, nor would I believe anything from that ****hole, either.

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Agree with you there, unfortunately.

There is no integrity in the news or politics.

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So why use an ultra progressive source like Democracy Now as proof?

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I don't know much about the publication. I found the interview with the Green Beret to be interesting and see little reason for him to lie about things going on over there.

People can have biases regardless of their military history

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an anti-semite

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Packed a couple of good strawmen in an economy of words. Nicely done!

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People can have biases regardless of their military history

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I'm aware. I don't see why the guy would run the risk of being branded an Antisemite just to do an article for Democracy Today or whatever it was.

Teslag said:

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People can have biases regardless of their military history

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Exactly. He loses a lot of credibility with me by how he described the green tips. That is a very Everytown type description of them. They are not very good at piercing armor (better than FMJ, but that isn't saying much) and are used because they can punch through wood, light mortar/brick, etc. In fact, ATF took them off of their list of bullets considered to be armor piercing. If you are in an area with a bunch of bad guys hiding behind light cover, green tips make absolute sense and have the benefit of being low lead, so you aren't contaminating civilian areas with excessive lead. He also loses credibility calling it genocide. If the Israelis wanted to kill them all, they are going way out of their way to not be successful. It may be a humanitarian nightmare, but it isn't a genocide and he is in the position to have the knowledge to know better than to use that word for it. Overall, it just exposes a lot of biases in his viewpoint, and I would love to know more about his actual military background.

Stan Crowch said:

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sam callahan said:

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It's a good thing we didn't have social media during WW2.

We never would have liberated Europe.

Of course, the way some of you feel about Jews, you'd probably be okay with that.

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an antisemite. The only overt hate I see permitted here is directed toward Arabs and Muslims.

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Because, whether you want to believe it or not, muslims are the enemy. They've earned the hate.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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4 said:

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So the people that allow Hamas to live among them and celebrate and cheer openly when Israelis are killed are starving as a result of their own decisions?

FAFO

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If you think an entire race of people should starve to death including babies that's cool man, just say it so we know what you're all about

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When a father is convicted of murder and either put in prison or executed, do you accuse the people who support that of thinking children should be deprived of their father? Or that depriving children of fathers is a good thing? Of course not, because you recognize actions have consequences and in many cases undesirable consequences are unavoidable because the alternative is far more unjust.

To whatever degree starvation is occurring in Gaza, it is a consequence of the actions of their leadership (Hamas) which to this day is supported by a majority of the citizens of Gaza and initially came to power via an overwhelming electoral victory. And Israel stopping until there is a plan that involves Hamas being permanently deposed as leader of the region would result in things far more unjust than the population of the aggressor suffering.

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an anti-semite

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Packed a couple of good strawmen in an economy of words. Nicely done!

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How innocent are they? When they support, promote, and protect Hamas that unleashed a brutal attack that killed 1,200+ innocent Israeli civilians?

War is nasty and awful, and why they shouldn't have brought it upon themselves.

As others have noted, turn over the remaining Israelis hostages (or their remains) and implement a real truce, and this thing is over. The ball is in their court.

Stan Crowch said:

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sam callahan said:

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It's a good thing we didn't have social media during WW2.

We never would have liberated Europe.

Of course, the way some of you feel about Jews, you'd probably be okay with that.

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Ah yes anyone who is uncomfortable with the starvation of innocent civilians and children is an antisemite. The only overt hate I see permitted here is directed toward Arabs and Muslims.

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Most other Arabs/Muslims hate the Palestinians far more than anyone in the West does. Egypt hates them so much that they devote resources they can't afford to use in order to keep them out and imprison any who sneak through. Saudis talk about Palestinians like the KKK spoke about black people 100 years ago.

Spare me

Where is the outrage for the 49 Christians killed while they were praying by muslims in the Congo???