There's a very simple solution. Hamas turn over remaining hostages (including remains) and lay down their arms. Could have happened months ago...
dmart90 said:
There's a very simple solution. Hamas turn over remaining hostages (including remains) and lay down their arms. Could have happened months ago...
shiftyandquick said:
Interesting how things are going now.
Trump says the starvation is real, not fake. And apparently the US is now going to intervene.
MTG says "genocide" is occurring against Gaza.
In contrast Randy Fine says until hostages are released "starve away." It appears that AIPAC has now dropped him. I guess it's actually possible to be so pro-Israel that not even Israel can support you.
The optics of pictures of starving children on the front pages of newspapers across the world, one wonders what Israel is doing/thinking. Their line is its all Hamas' fault, they bear zero responsibility for the starvation that the rest of the world is observing.
Pope weighing in recently against Israel. France now recognizing Palestine as a state.
I know most people here would seem to comport their views to Randy Fine. But you guys are increasingly the fringe radical minority.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/aipac-appears-to-drop-endorsement-of-gop-lawmaker-who-called-to-starve-away-until-hostages-freed/
4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
Gaw617 said:
Where is the outrage for the 49 Christians killed while they were praying by muslims in the Congo???
AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
samurai_science said:AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
Their culture cannot be saved and over 90% support of Hamas.
You are welcome to feed them on your own
dmart90 said:
There's a very simple solution. Hamas turn over remaining hostages (including remains) and lay down their arms. Could have happened months ago...
The New York Times: The child we used to indict Israel actually had severe pre-existing conditions. But hey — the photo worked, the outrage spread, and no one reads the corrections anyway.
— Mark Dubowitz (@mdubowitz) July 30, 2025
War reporting as libel and malice. pic.twitter.com/8FG1rxN1mm
Pumpkinhead said:
Israel has been gradually losing the war of global public opinion on this topic, a little bit more and more each day becoming the villain in this conflict. That country is eventually going to be forced to rethink its tactics and long term political strategy.
The Gaza strip is approximately 141 square miles in size. The city of Houston in comparison covers about 660 square miles (more than 4X the size of Gaza). And yet after approx. 20 months the Israeli military despite its elite training and arms has STILL has not been able to eliminate Hamas as a functional organization within that relatively small area of land. If their aggressive attack/siege approach has not yet worked after 20 months, then when? What is the end game here? Within Israel itself and its own military, there have been growing signs of fatigue. The clock is certainly ticking on this and just a question of how much longer before something has to change.
BonfireNerd04 said:AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
If Biden had gotten us into a war with China, would you expect the Chinese military to thoroughly analyze American voter registration databases so that they only bombed Democrats? It's just not practical to judge individual moral responsibility during a war.
samurai_science said:Pumpkinhead said:
Israel has been gradually losing the war of global public opinion on this topic, a little bit more and more each day becoming the villain in this conflict. That country is eventually going to be forced to rethink its tactics and long term political strategy.
The Gaza strip is approximately 141 square miles in size. The city of Houston in comparison covers about 660 square miles (more than 4X the size of Gaza). And yet after approx. 20 months the Israeli military despite its elite training and arms has STILL has not been able to eliminate Hamas as a functional organization within that relatively small area of land. If their aggressive attack/siege approach has not yet worked after 20 months, then when? What is the end game here? Within Israel itself and its own military, there have been growing signs of fatigue. The clock is certainly ticking on this and just a question of how much longer before something has to change.
Israel does not care
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But you guys are increasingly the fringe radical minority.
AggiePops said:BonfireNerd04 said:AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
If Biden had gotten us into a war with China, would you expect the Chinese military to thoroughly analyze American voter registration databases so that they only bombed Democrats? It's just not practical to judge individual moral responsibility during a war.
I agree in general with the final, bolded statement and during wars there will always be collateral damage among noncombatants while attacking the enemy's ability to wage war. There is no reason though to intentionally target or add to their suffering except in one situation. That being to bring the enemy leadership to heel by forcing them to capitulate in order to alleviate the mass suffering of noncombatants. A major problem with that strategy is it requires an enemy leadership that actually cares about the welfare of the people they presume to lead. Which Hamas clearly does not. In that case what advantage is gained? It kills a lot of people who had nothing to do with starting the war and if they're not already, tends to make enemies of the survivors. Yes, it's war and a given that will cause some civilian suffering. Humanitarian aid is sitting there available though and other than requiring aid organizations take steps to keep Hamas from confiscating and controlling it the Israelis should not be restricting its distribution.
Pumpkinhead said:
Israel has been gradually losing the war of global public opinion on this topic, a little bit more and more each day becoming the villain in this conflict. That country is eventually going to be forced to rethink its tactics and long term political strategy.
The Gaza strip is approximately 141 square miles in size. The city of Houston in comparison covers about 660 square miles (more than 4X the size of Gaza). And yet after approx. 20 months the Israeli military despite its elite training and arms has STILL has not been able to eliminate Hamas as a functional organization within that relatively small area of land. If their aggressive attack/siege approach has not yet worked after 20 months, then when? What is the end game here? Within Israel itself and its own military, there have been growing signs of fatigue. The clock is certainly ticking on this and just a question of how much longer before something has to change.
Pumpkinhead said:AggiePops said:BonfireNerd04 said:AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
If Biden had gotten us into a war with China, would you expect the Chinese military to thoroughly analyze American voter registration databases so that they only bombed Democrats? It's just not practical to judge individual moral responsibility during a war.
I agree in general with the final, bolded statement and during wars there will always be collateral damage among noncombatants while attacking the enemy's ability to wage war. There is no reason though to intentionally target or add to their suffering except in one situation. That being to bring the enemy leadership to heel by forcing them to capitulate in order to alleviate the mass suffering of noncombatants. A major problem with that strategy is it requires an enemy leadership that actually cares about the welfare of the people they presume to lead. Which Hamas clearly does not. In that case what advantage is gained? It kills a lot of people who had nothing to do with starting the war and if they're not already, tends to make enemies of the survivors. Yes, it's war and a given that will cause some civilian suffering. Humanitarian aid is sitting there available though and other than requiring aid organizations take steps to keep Hamas from confiscating and controlling it the Israelis should not be restricting its distribution.
Hitler did not care about his population and there was lots of German civilians killed but there was also a clear end game by the Allies to take Berlin, get rid of Hitler, and get surrender papers signed. But Isreal has been unable to achieve that sort of clearly defined goal out of the tremendous suffering being inflicted on the Gazan population. They haven't been able to eliminate Hamas leadership, there is no sign of Hamas surrendering, and that is after 20+ months blasting away at a 141 square mile area. So either you got to have a clear idea of exactly how you might be able to 'finish off' Hamas as a functional organization within some time frame...or...if that just doesn't look like it will ever realistically happen...you gotta start rethinking the strategy.
93MarineHorn said:Pumpkinhead said:AggiePops said:BonfireNerd04 said:AggiePops said:4 said:
Oh, I don't know. Maybe at the very least when innocent babies and Israeli women are raped, murdered, and tortured for just breathing air.... Maybe you don't openly cheer in the streets about it?
The entire culture is evil.
Now they are crying because they have to reap the results of poking the wrong bear too many times?
Cry me a River
So if all Palestinians are 'birds of a feather' and automatically not only go along with but are happy with and complicit with Hamas atrocities, are you saying that you, as an American were happy with and endorsed all policies and actions of the Democratic Administration while Biden was President.
Or, is it possible that not everyone within a population group agrees with whoever is in power at the time?
Destroy Hamas and good riddance, but remember that people the world over are individuals and not necessarily in agreement with whoever has political power. Most folks simply want to raise their kids and live their lives. It's just more difficult some places than others. And when you say they should just leave and go elsewhere you might remember that there are countries that don't really welcome immigrants.
If Biden had gotten us into a war with China, would you expect the Chinese military to thoroughly analyze American voter registration databases so that they only bombed Democrats? It's just not practical to judge individual moral responsibility during a war.
I agree in general with the final, bolded statement and during wars there will always be collateral damage among noncombatants while attacking the enemy's ability to wage war. There is no reason though to intentionally target or add to their suffering except in one situation. That being to bring the enemy leadership to heel by forcing them to capitulate in order to alleviate the mass suffering of noncombatants. A major problem with that strategy is it requires an enemy leadership that actually cares about the welfare of the people they presume to lead. Which Hamas clearly does not. In that case what advantage is gained? It kills a lot of people who had nothing to do with starting the war and if they're not already, tends to make enemies of the survivors. Yes, it's war and a given that will cause some civilian suffering. Humanitarian aid is sitting there available though and other than requiring aid organizations take steps to keep Hamas from confiscating and controlling it the Israelis should not be restricting its distribution.
Hitler did not care about his population and there was lots of German civilians killed but there was also a clear end game by the Allies to take Berlin, get rid of Hitler, and get surrender papers signed. But Isreal has been unable to achieve that sort of clearly defined goal out of the tremendous suffering being inflicted on the Gazan population. They haven't been able to eliminate Hamas leadership, there is no sign of Hamas surrendering, and that is after 20+ months blasting away at a 141 square mile area. So either you got to have a clear idea of exactly how you might be able to 'finish off' Hamas as a functional organization within some time frame...or...if that just doesn't look like it will ever realistically happen...you gotta start rethinking the strategy.
No artificial timetable need be applied. Israel should continue until Hamas unconditionally surrenders or they feel they've done enough. Gaza started this war. Perhaps Gazans should rise up against their gov't to end it.
A_Gang_Ag_06 said:Pumpkinhead said:
Israel has been gradually losing the war of global public opinion on this topic, a little bit more and more each day becoming the villain in this conflict. That country is eventually going to be forced to rethink its tactics and long term political strategy.
The Gaza strip is approximately 141 square miles in size. The city of Houston in comparison covers about 660 square miles (more than 4X the size of Gaza). And yet after approx. 20 months the Israeli military despite its elite training and arms has STILL has not been able to eliminate Hamas as a functional organization within that relatively small area of land. If their aggressive attack/siege approach has not yet worked after 20 months, then when? What is the end game here? Within Israel itself and its own military, there have been growing signs of fatigue. The clock is certainly ticking on this and just a question of how much longer before something has to change.
This thing is over in less than three months of Israel is allowed to just go in and raize the place. Instead they fought the entire conflict with one arm tied behind their back to protect the general population.
LMCane said:
did Hitler threaten to murder his hostage US military prisoners of war if the USA kept advancing into Germany?!!
even HITLER was not as bad as Hamas in this respect!
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The Arab world has told Hamas to disarm and surrender control of Gaza.
Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt called for the Palestinian terror group to disband on Tuesday, the first time they have done so.
They joined 14 other countries, including Britain and France, in signing a statement that also condemned the Oct 7 terror attacks and told Hamas to give up power.
It is the first time Arab countries have condemned the group and demanded it play no part in the future governance of Palestine.
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/arab-world-tells-hamas-lay-212231597.html
Arab world tells Hamas to lay down arms and end rule of GazaQuote:
The Arab world has told Hamas to disarm and surrender control of Gaza.
Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt called for the Palestinian terror group to disband on Tuesday, the first time they have done so.
They joined 14 other countries, including Britain and France, in signing a statement that also condemned the Oct 7 terror attacks and told Hamas to give up power.
It is the first time Arab countries have condemned the group and demanded it play no part in the future governance of Palestine.