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You bet? Seems like they were able to get a mortgage for that house without an issue, so a lender with full access to their credit history and finances would disagree. They are probably pulling down enough combined to be in the top 10% of households in America. I'd call that fairly successful, but then again this is TexAgs and you're a loser of your not worth $10 million...

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With Bidenflation and a booming stock market, that figure is about $15 million.

Though $10 million is respectable, it does not lift you out of the loser bracket on TexAgs. HTH.

In the middle of TMZ Live today Harvey and Charles received a shocking new update to the Nancy Guthrie search... pic.twitter.com/jmjdQhgn6d

— TMZ (@TMZ) February 5, 2026

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A ransom note allegedly tied to the abduction of NBC "Today" co-host Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy, in Tucson, Arizona, lists two deadlines, the latter of which TMZ says is "much more serious."

The first deadline is 5 p.m. Thursday, the FBI confirmed. The second deadline is Monday.

"TMZ Live" hosts Harvey Levin and Charles Latibeaudiere said the alleged ransom note was sent to their newsroom and lists demands that change with each deadline.

The hosts noted something is "triggered" at each time limit.

Though TMZ did not specify what was in the letter, the outlet reported the second deadline is "much more serious."

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I'd the ransom email sent to TMZ was real it appears they threatened to harm Nancy if their demands aren't met by 5 pm Monday

Which 5 pm? Arizona time?

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I've missed most of this press conference but Sheriff just said there is no prime suspect and they're talking to everyone, so it doesn't sound like anything has changed.

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If they don't have a suspect by now, they are hosed. She might have lived in one of those suburbs of Arizona that have very little outside lighting so you can see the stars at night type thing, and thus unable to catch much on cameras...They are probably stuck right now until they find her body, unfortunately, and can maybe get some DNA evidence...

Only other hope is there really is someone holding her for ransom and keeping her alive somehow without her meds and the kidnapper screws up and gives them some evidence to help locate them..

I thought I heard them say previously she took an Uber to the family event but they drove her home? So the timeline implies that I guess. If it's only 10 minutes away, why not go get her and then go back later when you take her home instead of the uber. Did she uber regularly like that when she did leave or do her errands so she was comfortable with it? Seems like old ladies wouldn't like ubering too much, my elderly mother would probably find something to ***** about it.

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I've missed most of this press conference but Sheriff just said there is no prime suspect and they're talking to everyone, so it doesn't sound like anything has changed.

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If they don't have a suspect by now, they are hosed. She might have lived in one of those suburbs of Arizona that have very little outside lighting so you can see the stars at night type thing, and thus unable to catch much on cameras...They are probably stuck right now until they find her body, unfortunately, and can maybe get some DNA evidence...

Only other hope is there really is someone holding her for ransom and keeping her alive somehow without her meds and the kidnapper screws up and gives them some evidence to help locate them..

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A neighbor or someone from very close by said that exactly. It's a night sky area, they try to keep it dark.

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I just wonder if she is okay-- been a lot of days off her heart meds etc.

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IMHO she's not, I think the ransom notes are nothing more than a distraction, and likely fake scams. But Guthrie is hanging onto hope because of the notes (emails). The Authorities are going through the motions for the benefit of the family, I'm pretty sure they have their suspicions but are unable to prove them. My guess is Savannah has been pleading with them to make this video, so to satisfy her the authorities assisted them in making the video, Savannah's thinking is she makes her living on camera and it's the only tool she's got. The other two siblings look like hostages in their own right, no emotion whatsoever. It's a sad deal, but I'm convinced it's an inside job, but the cops have no way to prove it yet, and may never. eventually they are just going to have to accept that she's dead. 84 in poor health won't last long if she were being held hostage, but I think she was dead from the jump and the hostage thing is just a distraction.

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You hit the nail on the head with the description of the siblings in that video. They video itself looks like a proof-of-life video; like they are in a concrete bunker and its being filmed by someone sitting on the ground. It's just so odd and so...cold...which of course, isn't what the purpose of the message is.

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Everyone reacts to things differently. They may be trying to hold it together, or the FBI may be instructing them not to show too much emotion. We didn't know what all went into that.

I don't think that it's an inside job at this point. A neighbor had reported someone recently lurking around their property that was scared off when they set off a motion activated light. Could have been someone trying to case the area. Her mom was also on her show in the last few months, and that could have given someone the idea for a kidnapping. Also, her sister and sister's boyfriend seem to be fairly successful people, and this may have happened around 2am, hours after they'd dropped her off. I think checking surveillance around their house and their phones would probably be pretty easy to see if they'd left at all during the night. Plus, by all accounts they were a pretty close family.

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Fairly successful? He's a school teacher, an elementary school teacher in Tucson makes and average of approximately $44,791 to $53,801 annually depending on years of service, he's taught six years so he's on the lower end. Annie Guthrie is a poetry writer and jeweler in Tucson. Guthrie is author of a book of jewelry design with Chronicle Books and a book of poems, Doubt seriously if she make six figures a year. They recently bought a $600k house, they are in debt up to their eyeballs I bet.

Please give your definition of "fairly successful"

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I would guess that Samantha helped them out with that house.

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Yeah, Samantha may have helped. But I would bet on the help coming from Savannah.

At least use a VPN if you are going to be that stupid. Rookies

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By "pacemaker disconnects". I take that to mean it communicates with her phone and the phone was left behind. Not some criminal mastermind who figured out how to hack her pacemaker. It does give an accurate time for when she was abducted.

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Sort of. My father and FIL had pacemakers. There's a bedside monitor that the implant connects with when in range (via a proprietary Bluetooth) and reports parameters to the manufacturer via a separate cellular line (not your mobile phone). When the patient walks out of range, the implant "disconnects" from the monitor. Probably what they are referring to in this case.

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torrid said:

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By "pacemaker disconnects". I take that to mean it communicates with her phone and the phone was left behind. Not some criminal mastermind who figured out how to hack her pacemaker. It does give an accurate time for when she was abducted.

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Sort of. My father and FIL had pacemakers. There's a bedside monitor that the implant connects with when in range (via a proprietary Bluetooth) and reports parameters to the manufacturer via a separate cellular line (not your mobile phone). When the patient walks out of range, the implant "disconnects" from the monitor. Probably what they are referring to in this case.

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True but more modern pacemakers can use a cell phone instead of the traditional bedside monitor.

IF she was actually kidnapped, I find it hard to believe there are people who think they could actually get away with that in this day and age.

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Glad the President called her. Glad Patel is on the ground there.

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I suppose so, but...Copilot says,

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In the United States, approximately 460,000 children are reported missing each year, which includes runaways and misunderstandings, not just abductions. True kidnappings, or "stereotypical" stranger kidnappings, are extremely rare, with estimates ranging from 100 to 350 cases annually. Family abductions, however, are more common, with historical estimates suggesting around 200,000 cases.

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Can't tell yet if Nancy Guthrie is one of 350 or one of 200,000 - either way, she's lucky there's a prominent person in the family, otherwise she'd be like the rest of us and go completely unnoticed, without top-tier service from a president or anyone else with power.

Hope the cops are keeping the area around the home and even major streets nearby under continuous surveillance (is there a random car that circles through every few hours, etc.). Very common to have perps involved in crimes like this revisit the scene in the days afterward to check things out and admire their handiwork of activity and media frenzy.

Can't say that the local Sheriffs office press conferences gives me confidence, but they may also be playing dumb to see if the suspect(s) get overconfident and step on their own dick.

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I've missed most of this press conference but Sheriff just said there is no prime suspect and they're talking to everyone, so it doesn't sound like anything has changed.

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If they don't have a suspect by now, they are hosed. She might have lived in one of those suburbs of Arizona that have very little outside lighting so you can see the stars at night type thing, and thus unable to catch much on cameras...They are probably stuck right now until they find her body, unfortunately, and can maybe get some DNA evidence...

Only other hope is there really is someone holding her for ransom and keeping her alive somehow without her meds and the kidnapper screws up and gives them some evidence to help locate them..

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A neighbor or someone from very close by said that exactly. It's a night sky area, they try to keep it dark.

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A lot of those suburb neighborhoods like that (night sky friendly) are way further out from the main city and are pretty close to open desert or farm fields....We used to live in one where the back fence of our house bordered thousands of acres of desert public land...Easy to see how someone could go unnoticed or get away unnoticed if her house was in a place like that.

We'll see if anyone was dumb with their cellphone. May be best hope at this point

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If her daughter wasn't a semi TV celebrity would this be news? And get daily coverage?

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And cute and blonde and white…

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I just wonder if she is okay-- been a lot of days off her heart meds etc.

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IMHO she's not, I think the ransom notes are nothing more than a distraction, and likely fake scams. But Guthrie is hanging onto hope because of the notes (emails). The Authorities are going through the motions for the benefit of the family, I'm pretty sure they have their suspicions but are unable to prove them. My guess is Savannah has been pleading with them to make this video, so to satisfy her the authorities assisted them in making the video, Savannah's thinking is she makes her living on camera and it's the only tool she's got. The other two siblings look like hostages in their own right, no emotion whatsoever. It's a sad deal, but I'm convinced it's an inside job, but the cops have no way to prove it yet, and may never. eventually they are just going to have to accept that she's dead. 84 in poor health won't last long if she were being held hostage, but I think she was dead from the jump and the hostage thing is just a distraction.

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You hit the nail on the head with the description of the siblings in that video. They video itself looks like a proof-of-life video; like they are in a concrete bunker and its being filmed by someone sitting on the ground. It's just so odd and so...cold...which of course, isn't what the purpose of the message is.

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Everyone reacts to things differently. They may be trying to hold it together, or the FBI may be instructing them not to show too much emotion. We didn't know what all went into that.

I don't think that it's an inside job at this point. A neighbor had reported someone recently lurking around their property that was scared off when they set off a motion activated light. Could have been someone trying to case the area. Her mom was also on her show in the last few months, and that could have given someone the idea for a kidnapping. Also, her sister and sister's boyfriend seem to be fairly successful people, and this may have happened around 2am, hours after they'd dropped her off. I think checking surveillance around their house and their phones would probably be pretty easy to see if they'd left at all during the night. Plus, by all accounts they were a pretty close family.

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Fairly successful? He's a school teacher, an elementary school teacher in Tucson makes and average of approximately $44,791 to $53,801 annually depending on years of service, he's taught six years so he's on the lower end. Annie Guthrie is a poetry writer and jeweler in Tucson. Guthrie is author of a book of jewelry design with Chronicle Books and a book of poems, Doubt seriously if she make six figures a year. They recently bought a $600k house, they are in debt up to their eyeballs I bet.

Please give your definition of "fairly successful"

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I would guess that Samantha helped them out with that house.

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Yeah, Samantha may have helped. But I would bet on the help coming from Savannah.

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Samantha....Savannah. They all look the same.

Any further info on how Savannah and Pam Bondi know each other? Evidently it's been for quite a long time but search doesn't turn up much and what was said on FNC was in passing.

Guthrie was once a lawyer and worked in DC, but that was many moons ago.

Evidently Bondi reached out early on directly to Guthrie.

JUST IN: Mugshot released of Derrick Callella, accused of sending messages demanding Bitcoin to the Guthrie family pic.twitter.com/jlKf4u8gVx

— Intel Point Alert (@IntelPointAlert) February 6, 2026

NEW 🚨 Police in Nancy Guthrie case are going DOOR to DOOR in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood asking for camera footage.

Suspect may live in Annie's neighborhood or stalked Nancy or traveled through her neighborhood. 👀 pic.twitter.com/i1vyhymnsd

— J (@JayTC53) February 6, 2026

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I still think Annie and her husband have something to do with it.

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I'm starting to get a sense that you are right. Annie may not have been there, but her body language during the taped thing was strange. Zero emotion.

If it was truly a ransom play, she would have known to instruct him to grab the prescription drugs. Savannah Guthrie is famous, sure, but so obscure of a target that it would be odd for a random person to abduct her mother, but a desperate family member would definitely use that as a smoke-screen.

I fear this is not going to be a good outcome, but hope that I am wrong.

The LEO in charge of the investigation surely do not inspire confidence in their ability to safely recover of her either way.

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NEW 🚨 Police in Nancy Guthrie case are going DOOR to DOOR in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood asking for camera footage.

Suspect may live in Annie's neighborhood or stalked Nancy or traveled through her neighborhood. 👀 pic.twitter.com/i1vyhymnsd

— J (@JayTC53) February 6, 2026

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That probably should have happened pretty quickly with the local police, unless they don't do that and are completely incompetent. Which is not surprising

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NEW 🚨 Police in Nancy Guthrie case are going DOOR to DOOR in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood asking for camera footage.

Suspect may live in Annie's neighborhood or stalked Nancy or traveled through her neighborhood. 👀 pic.twitter.com/i1vyhymnsd

— J (@JayTC53) February 6, 2026

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It might be an older video, but if going door to door wasn't done in the first hour or two, that doesn't make sense.

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This is the sister's neighborhood not the Mom's. They lived a few miles away from mom, I find it curious myself.

I still want to know how much her mom used uber. That still sticks in my head but may be nothing.

First ransom note sent then no response because now the SIL has family around 100% of the time and he can't follow up? BSC theory but they take her home, she goes in the house then he hops out of the car knowing where any cameras are and an easy entrance. Waits an hour or so. They could have already been palming a bunch of her meds for a while and had those stashed. Accomplice comes back later with a ghost car to pick them up. No theory on where they are keeping her and who would be watching and caring for her. That's the real BSC part, but the TMZ dude keeps saying he thinks it's all local.

palming extra meds is a very interesting theory...

That keeps her alive and eliminates the obvious tell if the kidnapper takes the meds (that the kidnapper knows her, if s/he knows Nancy takes meds).

But what is the end-game with that? Wouldn't Nancy know who took her? Even if they disguise themselves and their voices? Do they release her?

I have a feeling they already killed her and are trying to work a ransom anyway. She may have put up a fight and things didn't go so smoothly when they took her

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NEW 🚨 Police in Nancy Guthrie case are going DOOR to DOOR in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood asking for camera footage.

Suspect may live in Annie's neighborhood or stalked Nancy or traveled through her neighborhood. 👀 pic.twitter.com/i1vyhymnsd

— J (@JayTC53) February 6, 2026

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It might be an older video, but if going door to door wasn't done in the first hour or two, that doesn't make sense.

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Going door to door in the DAUGHTER'S neighborhood immediately after the mother is missing?

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NEW 🚨 Police in Nancy Guthrie case are going DOOR to DOOR in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood asking for camera footage.

Suspect may live in Annie's neighborhood or stalked Nancy or traveled through her neighborhood. 👀 pic.twitter.com/i1vyhymnsd

— J (@JayTC53) February 6, 2026

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It might be an older video, but if going door to door wasn't done in the first hour or two, that doesn't make sense.

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Going door to door in the DAUGHTER'S neighborhood immediately after the mother is missing?

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Pure speculation, but maybe to check family alibis? If BIL says he got home at 11:00 and there's video of his car leaving the area at 1:30, that could be an issue.