***** 2026 Spurs Off-Season Thread *****

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West Texan said:

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Heard yall like injured PFs that are monster defensively. Have I got the guy for you!


I would absolutely throw a vet minimum at Isaac.

If we got someone dependable like Tobias Harris for the MLE, sure.
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Guitarsoup said:

West Texan said:

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Heard yall like injured PFs that are monster defensively. Have I got the guy for you!


I would absolutely throw a vet minimum at Isaac.

If we got someone dependable like Tobias Harris for the MLE, sure.


I'd take him as a Kelly Olynyk replacement. We're don't have to rely on him because we already have a pretty set rotation, that will help keep him healthy. 10-15 minutes a game for 50-60 games of high level switchable defense and rebounding. Sign me up.
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He might want a chance to play deep into the playoffs. He's not good defensively, but he would provide a huge upgrade in floor spacing on offense. Assuming we keep Champ, that would mean we could also use some Champ and Rui lineups to really open up space for our guards and Vic to operate and punish them for collapsing.
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AggieEP said:

He might want a chance to play deep into the playoffs. He's not good defensively, but he would provide a huge upgrade in floor spacing on offense. Assuming we keep Champ, that would mean we could also use some Champ and Rui lineups to really open up space for our guards and Vic to operate and punish them for collapsing.

I think Rui would be my 4th choice after Tobias, Wade, and Kenrich. Rui can kill it shooting, but he's pretty bad at everything else.

But a big thing for me is I am fine with a 1y or 2y MLE, but I assume Rui is going to want the full one for 4 years. Tobias is a 1-2y guy, Wade and Kenrich as well, but they would both be less than the full MLE.
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I don't see a way to make AGs contract work but he'd obviously be the dream.
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ThenamesAg said:

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I don't see a way to make AGs contract work but he'd obviously be the dream.

Yeah, his contract is bad. 3y105M for a guy without working hamstrings. About 20% of the cap.
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Guitarsoup said:

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I don't see a way to make AGs contract work but he'd obviously be the dream.

Yeah, his contract is bad. 3y105M for a guy without working hamstrings. About 20% of the cap.

I will say Fox+Keldon+Julian for Murray+Gordon saves Denver about 12M. Just trying to help out our little Nuggets friends.
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Guitarsoup said:

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I don't see a way to make AGs contract work but he'd obviously be the dream.

Yeah, his contract is bad. 3y105M for a guy without working hamstrings. About 20% of the cap.

I will say Fox+Keldon+Julian for Murray+Gordon saves Denver about 12M. Just trying to help out our little Nuggets friends.



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BTW, tomorrow is the deadline for the team option on Julian. If we are going to have him opt out and get the extension, it's happening in the next 24 hours.

Only thing I have heard is Julian's camp wants 4y60M, which I think is too high.

My guess is the Spurs tell him 4/45-50 front loaded or play out the year and test free agency.
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Guitarsoup said:

BTW, tomorrow is the deadline for the team option on Julian. If we are going to have him opt out and get the extension, it's happening in the next 24 hours.

Only thing I have heard is Julian's camp wants 4y60M, which I think is too high.

My guess is the Spurs tell him 4/45-50 front loaded or play out the year and test free agency.


I'm more than okay with the 4y/60 for Julian. I get that he was exposed defensively in the finals but he had some really good stints of it before he had to guard Brunson. I also don't think his shooting percentage fully reflects his impact. Teams are legitimately scared of him which really opens things up for this team. He's a good rebounder and he has played 82 games for two straight years. That can't be overlooked. And he already has chemistry with our group and is a proven locker room guy. Not only that Keldon is coming off the books this year. His days with the spurs are numbered, at least on the type of contract he has now.
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Don't bid against ourselves for Julian. I wouldn't go over $10M per. Get him at a steal of a price for one more year if he isn't willing to sign for $10M or less. Then make the call next year with another year of data. He wasn't even a starter the entire year. He still has a lot to prove. Hopefully he has a big year, improves his defense and consistency and proves he's worth it and then we can give him the $15M per year he's seeking. There is also the possibility his role diminishes a bit, even if he improves. He might not even start if we find a free agent PF.

I guess the risk is he has hurt feelings or some team throws stupid money $20M per at him after a big year, but I think the risk is worth the reward here. I just don't see his free agency value being much over $15M no matter what he does next year.


It's also buys us time to see how fast Bryant develops.
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Backcountry Birds said:

Don't bid against ourselves for Julian. I wouldn't go over $10M per. Get him at a steal of a price for one more year if he isn't willing to sign for $10M or less. Then make the call next year with another year of data. He wasn't even a starter the entire year. He still has a lot to prove. Hopefully he has a big year, improves his defense and consistency and proves he's worth it and then we can give him the $15M per year he's seeking. There is also the possibility his role diminishes a bit, even if he improves. He might not even start if we find a free agent PF.

I guess the risk is he has hurt fillings or some team throws stupid money $20M per at him after a big year, but I think the risk is worth the reward here. I just don't see his free agency value being much over $15M no matter what he does next year.


It's also buys us time to see how fast Bryant develops.

I am shocked at how many people are undervaluing Julian in this thread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. It's far more likely the Spurs offer 20 million a year than 10 million a year. They historically take care of their own. And particularly would do so with someone of his production on a value contract.
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Enzo The Baker said:

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BTW, tomorrow is the deadline for the team option on Julian. If we are going to have him opt out and get the extension, it's happening in the next 24 hours.

Only thing I have heard is Julian's camp wants 4y60M, which I think is too high.

My guess is the Spurs tell him 4/45-50 front loaded or play out the year and test free agency.


I'm more than okay with the 4y/60 for Julian. I get that he was exposed defensively in the finals but he had some really good stints of it before he had to guard Brunson. I also don't think his shooting percentage fully reflects his impact. Teams are legitimately scared of him which really opens things up for this team. He's a good rebounder and he has played 82 games for two straight years. That can't be overlooked. And he already has chemistry with our group and is a proven locker room guy. Not only that Keldon is coming off the books this year. His days with the spurs are numbered, at least on the type of contract he has now.



But the big problem is is that Julian is not elite at anything. Players that get paid the big bucks are elite at something. Julian is above average as a wing defender, but can be hunted. He's above average as a rebounder, but can get pushed off. He's above average as as shooter, but he isn't elite and he can't shoot off movement. Julian can't attack closeouts.

Realistically, if he is playing his actual position, he should be a backup 3. If you look back at all the teams that won a title, he wouldn't have been a starter on any of them for the last decade or more.

He should be the ~7th best player on a championship team, and that isn't worth 15M/year. We have to be judicious in these and also read the market. I don't think anyone is giving Julian the full MLE. But we will have more data on that next week when free agency opens.

I do think there is value to his fit as a person and teammate. There is definite chemistry there. I don't want to lose him. But we shouldn't overpay him either. I think it is real hard for players to get big contracts when they aren't elite at anything. I like Julian more than Rui because Julian adds more to the team overall, but Rui is an elite shooter and likely gets paid more.

I think we also have to look at moves like if Julian is worth 15 and Keldon is worth 7-8 on his next deal, would PJ Washington at 21M AAV be more valuable to the team than Julian+Keldon at 23?
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I like Julian as I think most do but the Spurs are gonna have to be smart about their payroll with what they have coming up down the line.

He's also not an elite defender. He's not a bad defender but he's not great ala Danny Green. He's also not shot over 38% from three the last 3 seasons (36%, 37%, 38%). This kind of production isnt that hard to replace.

He's worth $12/yr.
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Rui is also 4 years older, has 2/3s the 3 point shot attempts as Julian and has never played more than 68 games in a season in his career.
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Rui is also 4 years older, has 2/3s the 3 point shot attempts as Julian and has never played more than 68 games in a season in his career.

But he will get paid more because he has a verifiable elite skill. I'd rather have Julian, but this is how the NBA tends to value things.

Dean Wade and Kenrich Williams will probably together get less than what John Collins or Rui gets, but I think Wade and Williams contribute more to winning and are better role players for our needs.
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I agree. I don't think what we would have to pay Rui would be warranted based on the role we need to fill. I'd rather get a better value elsewhere.
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I agree. I don't think what we would have to pay Rui would be warranted based on the role we need to fill. I'd rather get a better value elsewhere.

I think Rui gets over the MLE from the Lakers because they can't give up his shooting. Rui and Kennard were their only two shooters in the rotation to hit over .367 for the season.

My #1 hope is that Detroit has to renounce Tobias to hunt for a #2 and we can get Tobias on a 2y deal for the MLE.

#2 is Dean Wade and maybe Kenrich Williams splitting the MLE

I'm also interested in Thybulle on a small contract in that LIndy Waters space. Lets lean into this whole smothering defense thing. Also he low key shot 41% from three over the last two years on 3.1apg.
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He is the oldest NBA player who was not alive for the Sept 11 attacks. /autistic fact of the day
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Bring Lonnie home!
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I honestly don't want him anywhere near this team. Don't need him tainting this young core
No matter what!
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Enzo The Baker said:

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Don't bid against ourselves for Julian. I wouldn't go over $10M per. Get him at a steal of a price for one more year if he isn't willing to sign for $10M or less. Then make the call next year with another year of data. He wasn't even a starter the entire year. He still has a lot to prove. Hopefully he has a big year, improves his defense and consistency and proves he's worth it and then we can give him the $15M per year he's seeking. There is also the possibility his role diminishes a bit, even if he improves. He might not even start if we find a free agent PF.

I guess the risk is he has hurt fillings or some team throws stupid money $20M per at him after a big year, but I think the risk is worth the reward here. I just don't see his free agency value being much over $15M no matter what he does next year.


It's also buys us time to see how fast Bryant develops.

I am shocked at how many people are undervaluing Julian in this thread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. It's far more likely the Spurs offer 20 million a year than 10 million a year. They historically take care of their own. And particularly would do so with someone of his production on a value contract.


If he isn't going to sign a long term deal at what the Spurs think his value is then you make him play his contract year. Period. No need to repeat mistakes other GMs have made countless times and hand out a rich multi year contract and bypass the contract year carrot. If he goes bonkers and improves to 40%+ next year and ratchets up the defense a little then he will have a good case to get paid.
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flashplayer said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Backcountry Birds said:

Don't bid against ourselves for Julian. I wouldn't go over $10M per. Get him at a steal of a price for one more year if he isn't willing to sign for $10M or less. Then make the call next year with another year of data. He wasn't even a starter the entire year. He still has a lot to prove. Hopefully he has a big year, improves his defense and consistency and proves he's worth it and then we can give him the $15M per year he's seeking. There is also the possibility his role diminishes a bit, even if he improves. He might not even start if we find a free agent PF.

I guess the risk is he has hurt fillings or some team throws stupid money $20M per at him after a big year, but I think the risk is worth the reward here. I just don't see his free agency value being much over $15M no matter what he does next year.


It's also buys us time to see how fast Bryant develops.

I am shocked at how many people are undervaluing Julian in this thread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. It's far more likely the Spurs offer 20 million a year than 10 million a year. They historically take care of their own. And particularly would do so with someone of his production on a value contract.


If he isn't going to sign a long term deal at what the Spurs think his value is then you make him play his contract year. Period. No need to repeat mistakes other GMs have made countless times and hand out a rich multi year contract and bypass the contract year carrot. If he goes bonkers and improves to 40%+ next year and ratchets up the defense a little then he will have a good case to get paid.

There's no way the spurs do him like that, giving him a make good year when he already made good. He just was a starter in the nba finals. The Spurs will do right by him either way. It's why they are the spurs.
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Enzo The Baker said:

flashplayer said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Backcountry Birds said:

Don't bid against ourselves for Julian. I wouldn't go over $10M per. Get him at a steal of a price for one more year if he isn't willing to sign for $10M or less. Then make the call next year with another year of data. He wasn't even a starter the entire year. He still has a lot to prove. Hopefully he has a big year, improves his defense and consistency and proves he's worth it and then we can give him the $15M per year he's seeking. There is also the possibility his role diminishes a bit, even if he improves. He might not even start if we find a free agent PF.

I guess the risk is he has hurt fillings or some team throws stupid money $20M per at him after a big year, but I think the risk is worth the reward here. I just don't see his free agency value being much over $15M no matter what he does next year.


It's also buys us time to see how fast Bryant develops.

I am shocked at how many people are undervaluing Julian in this thread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. It's far more likely the Spurs offer 20 million a year than 10 million a year. They historically take care of their own. And particularly would do so with someone of his production on a value contract.


If he isn't going to sign a long term deal at what the Spurs think his value is then you make him play his contract year. Period. No need to repeat mistakes other GMs have made countless times and hand out a rich multi year contract and bypass the contract year carrot. If he goes bonkers and improves to 40%+ next year and ratchets up the defense a little then he will have a good case to get paid.

There's no way the spurs do him like that, giving him a make good year when he already made good. He just was a starter in the nba finals. The Spurs will do right by him either way. It's why they are the spurs.


That's exactly what a loser GM like the ones that run teams that consistently climb into middling playoff spots but then soon fall back to the lottery would do. On most other top teams this guy is a scrub. On OKC he probably wouldn't crack the 9-10 deep. Knicks probably not the top 7 in minutes. Boston when healthy probably not the top 8-9.

You don't pay a 8-10th best player on a championship team 15-20 mil a year cause he's a swell guy.
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In the hard cap and apron era you can't overpay one dimensional guys like Julian.

Especially when you have one boat anchor already in Fox.
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4/60 is about the highest end of what I would ultimately be okay signing Julian to. I wouldn't be thrilled about it but that would be a supremely movable contract. After all he will still be in his 20s when this contract would end and he's improved a ton since he first got here. I'm glad to hear that 4/60 is what Julian's camp seems to be aiming for from the grapevine, that means any wiggle room at all will be able to push this to a contract that will be mutually beneficial.
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Without major changes, they can only likely pay him the tax payer MLE.

Wouldn't mind bringing him back even though he's bad defender
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Wade to Spurs
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Shoot I'd take the MLE and steal both of those guys with it - ~9.5ish for Wade and ~5.5ish for Keon. Barnes back on a 1-2 year small deal. End it with a third string PG like JMac or maybe promote DJG to the big leagues and give him a Juju-ish long term unguaranteed contract.


C: Wemby - Kornet - Reed
PF: Wade - Barnes - Quaintance - Brown (2-way)
SF: Vassell - Keldon - Bryant
SG: Castle - Juju - Keon - DJG (2-way)
PG: Fox - Harper - JMac or equivalent - Gillespie (2-way)

Fade Barnes and Keldon minutes as the year progresses for Bryant and Ellis. Keep the BAE powder dry for another year.
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Wade to Spurs

Cavs fans don't seem too upset to lose Wade.
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Wade got exposed in the playoffs. Not sure what there is to love with him. He'd be no more useful to us than the majority of our bench was vs NYK
 
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