***** 2026 Spurs Off-Season Thread *****

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Enzo The Baker said:

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Wade to Spurs

Cavs fans don't seem too upset to lose Wade.

Fans are idiots that rarely can recognize a winning player because they only look at counting stats.



In the playoffs, Cade was guarded by Wade for 158 possessions. His eFG% was just 48% and Cade averaged just 13.7 points per 75 possessions. Cade only shot 5FTA on Wade Fouls.

He completely shut down Brunson, too.





We were all complaining about all the open threes we were giving up on the perimeter the entire playoffs. Maybe adding a legitimate defensive stopper that is 6'9 230lbs that can guard 1-5 would help. Just a thought.



"Oh no, he only scores a few points" says all the casuals. He averages 1.2 3PM/game. Rui averages 1.7 3PM. Having an elite defender like Wade will save WAY more points than having a better shooter like Rui will add.
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Yeah but what do all these GMs know that redditors and texags dot com posters don't?
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The Champegnie situation is very intriguing. It feels like the Spurs are juggling a lot more options here than what they are traditionally used to. Julian has some strong chemistry with this team but he's really not worth more than $12-$13/yr. tbh.

If the Spurs value adding a more traditional PF, then that also probably means a slight role decrease for a guy like Julian as well even though he's going to get a pay increase.

My thought is he he hits free agency next year, he's 100% gone. Maybe letting him ride it out one more year at $3mm has its benefits if you can upgrade the PF spot and then just let him walk.
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Sher Thing said:

The Champegnie situation is very intriguing. It feels like the Spurs are juggling a lot more options here than what they are traditionally used to. Julian has some strong chemistry with this team but he's really not worth more than $12-$13/yr. tbh.

If the Spurs value adding a more traditional PF, then that also probably means a slight role decrease for a guy like Julian as well even though he's going to get a pay increase.

My thought is he he hits free agency next year, he's 100% gone. Maybe letting him ride it out one more year at $3mm has its benefits if you can upgrade the PF spot and then just let him walk.


Deadline is 4pm today.

It's also JuJu 's birthday. We find out soon
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I like Wade as a defender, but 1.3 3-pointer per game ain't doing much to open up space for Wemby and our guards. Wade probably gets 4-6 wide open 3's a game on this squad if he plays starter minutes. Can he shoot that volume at a high percentage?

Wouldn't be against bringing back him and Mamu. One for defense one for scoring and see who you can hide better on the other ends during the playoffs.

As far as Champ....I think you only tear up that $3M deal and give Champ $15M per if you are convinced he's your starting PF for the next few years.

The most likely scenario is he's your backup 3/4. If we find a more physical, rebounding PF that shoots it at a similar percentage then his playing time plummets almost overnight. And that's before Bryant really comes into his own and needs minutes.

If he was shooting the three at 40%+ plus then fine, but he's much closer to that league average of 36% and is incredibly streaky. You want your role players to be consistent. Giving up his lateral quickness and muscles at the PF spot next to Wemby just seems suspect.

Let him play it out this year. Don't maximize his starting PF on a finals team current high water mark, re-evaluate after seeing how he does this year. He may not be happy with a smaller role and he may not be worth even $10M league-wide if a PF free agent or Bryant claims many of his minutes.

As someone else pointed out, we already overpaid for Fox, can't overpay for your 7th or 8th best player.
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Wade has shot 41% from the corner over the last three years.

We don't need a guy to come in and be high minutes and high usage like Collins or Rui would be.

We need a guy to come in, play defense, get rebounds and not take away from our actual stars. You know, positively affect winning. Wade does that. I don't think Rui or Collins do
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Guitarsoup said:

Wade has shot 41% from the corner over the last three years.

We don't need a guy to come in and be high minutes and high usage like Collins or Rui would be.

We need a guy to come in, play defense, get rebounds and not take away from our actual stars. You know, positively affect winning. Wade does that. I don't think Rui or Collins do

Yeah, on the one hand, elite talent is great and it's a good problem to have to need to adjust your minutes/rotation when you bring in talented guys. Like, a healthy Aaron Gordon is my dream PF for this team, but when you get down to the salary cap, aprons, how that impacts other guy's minutes/development, etc., it's a lot.

So there is a lot of value in a guy who just does his job, doesn't need a huge share of minutes, isn't wildly expensive, and will just fit in seamlessly. Way less headaches and helps you keep your options open.
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CC09LawAg said:

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Wade has shot 41% from the corner over the last three years.

We don't need a guy to come in and be high minutes and high usage like Collins or Rui would be.

We need a guy to come in, play defense, get rebounds and not take away from our actual stars. You know, positively affect winning. Wade does that. I don't think Rui or Collins do

Yeah, on the one hand, elite talent is great and it's a good problem to have to need to adjust your minutes/rotation when you bring in talented guys. Like, a healthy Aaron Gordon is my dream PF for this team, but when you get down to the salary cap, aprons, how that impacts other guy's minutes/development, etc., it's a lot.

So there is a lot of value in a guy who just does his job, doesn't need a huge share of minutes, isn't wildly expensive, and will just fit in seamlessly. Way less headaches and helps you keep your options open.


And on the cap problems, Wade is probably 2y/15m.

Rui/Collins will be 4/60+.

Signing them will make it harder to keep Julian, Keldon, etc with the aprons.

Also they are going to want 28-30 minutes like that are used to. Who are you taking big minutes from? Carter? JQ? Julian?

Those "big swings" make less sense for roster construction.
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Guitarsoup said:

CC09LawAg said:

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Wade has shot 41% from the corner over the last three years.

We don't need a guy to come in and be high minutes and high usage like Collins or Rui would be.

We need a guy to come in, play defense, get rebounds and not take away from our actual stars. You know, positively affect winning. Wade does that. I don't think Rui or Collins do

Yeah, on the one hand, elite talent is great and it's a good problem to have to need to adjust your minutes/rotation when you bring in talented guys. Like, a healthy Aaron Gordon is my dream PF for this team, but when you get down to the salary cap, aprons, how that impacts other guy's minutes/development, etc., it's a lot.

So there is a lot of value in a guy who just does his job, doesn't need a huge share of minutes, isn't wildly expensive, and will just fit in seamlessly. Way less headaches and helps you keep your options open.


And on the cap problems, Wade is probably 2y/15m.

Rui/Collins will be 4/60+.

Signing them will make it harder to keep Julian, Keldon, etc with the aprons.

Also they are going to want 28-30 minutes like that are used to. Who are you taking big minutes from? Carter? JQ? Julian?

Those "big swings" make less sense for roster construction.

Agreed - guys like Wade can soak up minutes during the regular season and allow us to shift more of Julian's minutes to his more natural SF position and gives us the luxury of letting CB develop at whatever pace he is without pressure of "needing" him or needing him to develop in a specific way to fill gaps in the roster.

And over the course of the season, if he starts seeing 5 less minutes a game or his touches go down, or he isn't as useful in a playoff matchup, he won't rock the boat because he knows he's a role player getting paid role player money.
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If GSW does this, I think it means Tingus Pingus is gone. If we can get someone reliable with the BAE (Kenrich Williams?) I would absolutely throw a 1y MLE at Kristaps with a 1y team option or 2nd year unguaranteed.
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I don't disagree on Wade, just that we need him to make more than 1.3 3ptrs per game. He's going to be the player that teams lead open to help with Wemby in the paint and helping on Castle and Harper drives. Just need that 40% corner three to transfer across 4-6 wide open threes a game.

Our stars are definitely Wemby, Harper and Castle and need role players without them, but we also could use that stable veteran to make a big shot and provide that calming presence. Basically,. everything Fox didn't give us. I would be all for bringing in a more expensive and experienced PF for a couple years and then trading them before the salaries kick in. Versus paying Julian $15M and running it back with just Wade added as your big free agent addition.
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I'd absolutely roll the dice on Kristaps for a year.
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I don't disagree on Wade, just that we need him to make more than 1.3 3ptrs per game.

I don't think we do. Also John Collins made 1.3 3pt per game in more minutes played.

Rui made 2.9 3pm per 36, Wade made 2.6, Collins made 1.7.

Per minute played, Wade is neck and neck with Rui and way better than Collins. (Wade was 3.1 and 3.6 the two previous seasons.)

Wade's 2.6 3PM/36 is better than everyone on the Spurs save Devin and Julian.

So I think his attempt/make rate is just fine for his role.

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He's going to be the player that teams lead open to help with Wemby in the paint and helping on Castle and Harper drives. Just need that 40% corner three to transfer across 4-6 wide open threes a game.

He's gonna play 15-20mpg. If they leave him open, he has drained corners at a 41% rate the last three years.


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Our stars are definitely Wemby, Harper and Castle and need role players without them, but we also could use that stable veteran to make a big shot and provide that calming presence.

Sooooo you just described Dean Wade. Glad we are in the same page.

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Now make Chamagnie guard Harper 1 on 1 all summer till he becomes a lock down defender
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Julian Champagnie Spurs Agree To Three Year $45M Deal - RealGM Wiretap
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TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:

Julian Champagnie Spurs Agree To Three Year $45M Deal - RealGM Wiretap



The tweet.

3y45? Meh. I think that is too much. Oh well, at least it isn't 4.
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Guitarsoup said:

TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:

Julian Champagnie Spurs Agree To Three Year $45M Deal - RealGM Wiretap



The tweet.

3y45? Meh. I think that is too much. Oh well, at least it isn't 4.

I like it.
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Why is Wade only playing 15-20MPG? I would think you would want your starting PF to have the 5th most minutes played.

I think Kristaps and Wade would be a great combo. One high/risk high reward and one low risk/lower reward.
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3 years is better than 4.
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Backcountry Birds said:

Why is Wade only playing 15-20MPG? I would think you would want your starting PF to have the 5th most minutes played.


We are a deep team. He played 22mpg for Cleveland, who is not that deep. I think that is just the role he gets. Also, he tends to get annoying minor injuries and we reduce his exposure to that and rate limit him with fewer minutes so he can play more games.

We still want to work in Bryant, Julian, Quintance, etc.

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I think Kristaps and Wade would be a great combo. One high/risk high reward and one low risk/lower reward.

I don't think you can get Wade for the BAE.
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Sher Thing said:

3 years is better than 4.

Agre. And if we front load it like we should, that later year won't hurt as much.
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Sign that man.
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We are setting ourselves up to have a major inflection point in that 2028-29 offseason. We will have:
  • Harper up for extension
  • Bryant up for extension
  • Vassell hits UFA
  • Champagnie hits UFA
  • Kornet hits UFA if he is still around
  • Extension talks for Fox if he is still around
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Guitarsoup said:

Sher Thing said:

3 years is better than 4.

Agre. And if we front load it like we should, that later year won't hurt as much.

Shams reported that it's front loaded.
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TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:

We are setting ourselves up to have a major inflection point in that 2028-29 offseason. We will have:
  • Harper up for extension
  • Bryant up for extension
  • Vassell hits UFA
  • Champagnie hits UFA
  • Kornet hits UFA if he is still around
  • Extension talks for Fox if he is still around


Summer 28 is the last point Fox will be traded.

With Julian becoming a UFA, he doesn't have to be protected in expansion draft.

Kornet will be old and has an unguaranteed contract. He's already been replaced by Reed/Quaintance by then.

Devin likely gets extended.
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Sher Thing said:



If Kerr wanted nothing to do with him and Atlanta wanted nothing to do with him, I doubt PATFO wants anything to do with him.
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Agreed I'm hoping that Dev and Bryant are our long term keepers out of our current wing rotation, I wonder if we even see us go ahead and negotiate an extension with Dev since he is eligible for one this offseason
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Julian's salary:
$16.3 - $15.0 - $13.7

A little pricy, but we can still use the full MLE+BAE if we need to
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Is that fully guaranteed? At least the last 2 years of that deal are very tradable.
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Do we have a source on the yearly breakdown yet? Shams' follow-up was kind of vague.
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Guitarsoup said:




Sign that man.
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This makes me think it is likely the Lakers overpay for Kessler. Can the Jazz match when they have 30% going to JJJ and 30% going to Lauri?
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Dean Wade still seems like the move to replace Barnes.

Bring back Jmac and that probably does it.

I just don't see where the openings are for playing time unless the Spurs are gonna move off someone like Keldon or something and I just don't see that happeng right now.
 
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