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You are insane. No one that works CT wants it to continue forever. I joined up after 9/11 for patriotic reasons and to make a difference in the world. I worked long nights away from my family hunting these guys so they couldn't harm you and you call this work "disgusting." Please look at what you write before you post.

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Your work is not the part that is "disgusting". It's the fact that you parrot Palestinian propaganda ensuring that their policy of taking hostages, killing civilians (on both sides), and using them as human shields WORKS. You are doing your best to make sure that more of that happens. Whether or not you do so because of a twisted desire to cash out on unending war or because you are naive doesn't really matter. The results are the same. Hamas will continue doing what they are doing and will thank people like you, AggieEP, for doing your part in helping them achieving their goals.

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As for the question on the use of atomic weapons on Japan, there is a great book called Prompt and Utter Destruction that does a great job of discussing the legal and moral questions around the use of those weapons on civilian targets. If you want my personal opinion, I'm glad I'm not the one that had to make the call to use them. We vaporized infants and those two days are the two days with the most civilian deaths in the history of warfare. On the other hand, it ended a long and bloody war and brought our troops home without having to fight for the Japanese homeland. The weapons were also so frighteningly powerful that their use in that moment has given us 80 years without a war between states that have nuclear weapons. Basically, it's a complex issue that forces you into a moral dilemma.

Are you willing to kill innocent people, including children in order to win a war and save the lives of your own people?

That's a heavy question with deep moral implications, you obviously believe it to be a no brainer, but you should visit the museum in Hiroshima some day just to add some context on what the other side experienced that day.

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It's not a complex issue. It was a no brainer. Killing 210,000 people is preferable to killing millions of people. I'm glad somebody of moral clarity, like Truman, made that decision rather than wishy washy people like yourself. If he made the opposite choice because of "feels", then he would have willingly causing the deaths of millions just so that he can sleep better so that he could pretend that he didn't actually make the decision. It would have been a disgraceful decision and Truman would have been judged as pathetic rather then wise.

I'm telling you from experience, if you don't address the underlying cause that pushed them to turn to violence, then there is no long term solution.

You can't just kill them all and expect the problem to go away.

Your warped theory here is that even though I've designated multiple Hamas fighters to be killed during my career, that Hamas would like to thank me for that work? That adhering to the Geneva conventions and LOAC is a weakness?

Again, for the record, you should read what you write before you post. I'm pretty sure I'd be at the top of their kill list if they got the chance.

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Your warped theory here is that even though I've designated multiple Hamas fighters to be killed during my career, that Hamas would like to thank me for that work? That adhering to the Geneva conventions and LOAC is a weakness?

Again, for the record, you should read what you write before you post. I'm pretty sure I'd be at the top of their kill list if they got the chance.

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So, you'd be trans-Israeli.

So, if that is/were the case, and you heard that a bunch of mofos were out and about to kill you and your entire family, you would hesitate to wipe them all off the face of the Earth?

If a group was trying to kill me and/or my 6 yo son, I'd kill every mother****er that even looked at me crooked and sleep well at night.

That's what every Israeli goes through just going to the store on a daily basis. And nothing proposed has been accepted by, or adhered to, by Hamas or Palestinians. So much so that not a single group of even Muslims will take them in.

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I'm telling you from experience, if you don't address the underlying cause that pushed them to turn to violence, then there is no long term solution.

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No you are not. Assuming you are not 80+ years old, you have not experienced what I am talking about. You are talking out of your ass and pretending it's "experience".

The underlying cause here is that Palestinians are raised to be bloodthirsty animals from birth and Hamas leaders are getting rich duping morons internationally into giving them money while using their own people as cannon fodder. No "two state solution" is going to solve that. They will just attack again just like they did Oct 7. Finally beating them into submission is the ONLY way. 100% of Hamas must die, and the remaining Palestinians must be deathly afraid of repeating Oct 7 again.

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You can't just kill them all and expect the problem to go away.

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Just like we can't just kill Japanese and expect the problem to go away? Or kill Comanche and expect the problem to go away?

Unlike my way, your way has been tried many times and it has failed EVERY SINGLE TIME.

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Ah.. so you are cashing in on this war.

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Glass houses.

Aside from that, the overall point of critics never offering viable solutions still stands. As does the critics never being able to articulate a historical war that meets their standards.

You're making my point for me.

Yes, fine kill all the Hamas guys, they've declared themselves as combatants.

But as your post alludes to, part of why you'd do that is to protect your six year old. Kids are different. Even though I don't want to be in the business of killing women, I'll tentatively agree that there is a percentage (perhaps a high percentage) of women in Gaza that are complicit in what happened on October 7th and in the continued support of Hamas. They are adults and they have made their decision to support the resistance. But the kids never had a choice. And there is no room in my personal moral compass to kill children. They are innocent.

You invoke your own child because our own moral compasses tell us that children are different. We will risk death to protect them. But for some reason, there is a percentage on this board that through a warped moral relativism have declared Palestinian children to be undeserving of the protection that children have always been afforded.

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Your warped theory here is that even though I've designated multiple Hamas fighters to be killed during my career, that Hamas would like to thank me for that work?

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Warped theory? You mean the one that has proven to work throughout history?

And they would certainly like to thank you for spreading their propaganda far and wide.

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That adhering to the Geneva conventions and LOAC is a weakness?

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Absolutely. It's no coincidence that those who blow off the Geneva convention and LOAC tend to defeat those who adhere to it. It's like engaging in a prison fight with somebody who knows that you consider the face and hair to be off limits.

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Again, for the record, you should read what you write before you post. I'm pretty sure I'd be at the top of their kill list if they got the chance.

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Yeah.. I doubt it. You are more useful to them spreading their propaganda. They've lost a bunch of hamas in this war, they would happily give more in exchange for guys like you spreading their propaganda. In fact, you are a better propaganda source if what you say about your role is true. Just like John Kerry was more useful to the North Vietnamese than Jane Fonda.

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Ah.. so you are cashing in on this war.

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Glass houses.

Aside from that, the overall point of critics never offering viable solutions still stands. As does the critics never being able to articulate a historical war that meets their standards.

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How am I living in a glass house? You think we are selling F-35s to Israel in the fight against Hamas? Really?

And the viable solution is to do to the Palestinians what we did to Japan and to the Comanche.


And WW2 and our war against the Comanche meet my standards. They both worked and worked well.

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You're making my point for me.

Yes, fine kill all the Hamas guys, they've declared themselves as combatants.

But as your post alludes to, part of why you'd do that is to protect your six year old. Kids are different. Even though I don't want to be in the business of killing women, I'll tentatively agree that there is a percentage (perhaps a high percentage) of women in Gaza that are complicit in what happened on October 7th and in the continued support of Hamas. They are adults and they have made their decision to support the resistance. But the kids never had a choice. And there is no room in my personal moral compass to kill children. They are innocent.

You invoke your own child because our own moral compasses tell us that children are different. We will risk death to protect them. But for some reason, there is a percentage on this board that through a warped moral relativism have declared Palestinian children to be undeserving of the protection that children have always been afforded.

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I, as his father, am morally obligated to protect my son from harm. One way I do that is to NOT be a terrorist or a criminal. Palestinians train their children, from an early age, to be terrorists. Those that aren't, still are pro-terrorist. Financially, morally, etc.

The way that Palestinians can protect their children is to band together and turn over every Hamas member or supporter. Until then, they're putting their children in harm's way. Them and them alone.

Israel has gone out of their way, in crazy ways, to help keep collateral damage to a minimum. Hamas/Palestinians haven't.

They need to kill them all, no other way to end this forever.

How psychopathic is Hamas?

It forced starving hostage Evyatar David to DIG HIS OWN GRAVE for the cameras. pic.twitter.com/iMa404St4s

— Eylon Levy (@EylonALevy) August 2, 2025

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Israel has gone out of their way, in crazy ways, to help keep collateral damage to a minimum.

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This claim is so far removed from reality that I assume the people making it either really have no clue what is going on or they are maliciously lying.

You assume too much.

I don't support a two state solution, I support a single state solution with conditional legal status for Palestinians over time and no right of return for Palestinians living as refugees in other countries. There is no other logical solution as long as we agree that genocide of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza is not a solution. I am extremely against the idiot French president recognizing a Palestinian state. He is ignorantly making any real solution much harder to achieve.

Of course, considering the past 2 years of fighting this one state solution is basically unachievable at the moment.

Also citing US wars against indigenous people in North America isn't really a great look. Historically those campaigns made sense in the time that they occurred, but surely you don't contend that modern military doctrine should include strategies for mass displacement of indigenous groups and their internment on reservations and forced religious conversions?

We can't eradicate Islam. Thats the underlying problem.

There can be NO "two state solution." It will end in a single state. People in Gaza have no intention of ever leaving the Jews alone.

Out of their way to prevent collateral damage?



When an entire city is leveled it's hard to make the argument that they've limited collateral damage. Those kids have no homes to live in, no schools to attend and reminders all around them about how death could come at any moment. Does that sound like a childhood to you?

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Israel has gone out of their way, in crazy ways, to help keep collateral damage to a minimum.

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This claim is so far removed from reality that I assume the people making it either really have no clue what is going on or they are maliciously lying.

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If Israel went door to door and executed every Palestinian, I wouldn't give a ****. That's what Hamas would do given the opportunity, and all those poor, innocent Palestinians would be celebrating dancing in the streets, and parading all the bodies of dread Jews around.

How do we know they would do that? That's exactly what they did on 10/7. All of it. Has Israel gone door to door murdering every last one of them? No. They haven't. If they weren't going to great lengths to not kill civilians, they would have killed half of them by now.

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Out of their way to prevent collateral damage?



When an entire city is leveled it's hard to make the argument that they've limited collateral damage. Those kids have no homes to live in, no schools to attend and reminders all around them about how death could come at any moment. Does that sound like a childhood to you?

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Nope.

Which is why I'm in mgmnt, in waste mgmnt and also in mfg, and not a terrorist. So that my child has a childhood.

They sent out flyers saying "We're going to bomb the **** out of this area tomorrow!" and it was/is up to the people there to GTFO...or not.

Another issue....again....nobody, not even other Islamic nations, wants the Palestinians and view them as a group of worthless, problematic, people. They brought that on themselves, too.

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Israel has gone out of their way, in crazy ways, to help keep collateral damage to a minimum.

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This claim is so far removed from reality that I assume the people making it either really have no clue what is going on or they are maliciously lying.

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If Israel went door to door and executed every Palestinian, I wouldn't give a ****. That's what Hamas would do given the opportunity, and all those poor, innocent Palestinians would be celebrating dancing in the streets, and parading all the bodies of dread Jews around.

How do we know they would do that? That's exactly what they did on 10/7. All of it. Has Israel gone door to door murdering every last one of them? No. They haven't. If they weren't going to great lengths to not kill civilians, they would have killed half of them by now.

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Bro what are you talking about. You support Israel genociding Palestinians because they would do the same to Israel? And what, that makes you somehow morally superior to the Palestinians? Sounds like you are the same as them, you just root for a different side.

Not the same. The Palestinians attacked and targeted civilians. This has gone on long enough. Israel is responding. The response should be house to house extermination of Palestinian males.

That will end it.

Jordan and Egypt are Islamic countries and they don't go around (anymore) starting wars with Israel. It's a very simplistic look to say that Islam is the underlying issue.

Anyone who seriously looks at this issue knows that it's a territorial dispute. Islam is a factor that can motivate people to action, but the Palestinians didn't wake up one day and decide to fight purely for religious purposes. They think they're going to get their land back.

We also don't see Indonesian Muslims crazed rushing to fight Israel. How do you square your logic of "Islam is the underlying factor" with the fact that most Islamic countries don't give a **** about the Palestinians anymore.

That's what happens when there are tunnels under everything and your opponent insists on house to house fighting. Doesn't mean that Israel went and carpet bombed them with no regard for collateral damage.

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Jordan and Egypt are Islamic countries and they don't go around (anymore) starting wars with Israel. It's a very simplistic look to say that Islam is the underlying issue.

Anyone who seriously looks at this issue knows that it's a territorial dispute. Islam is a factor that can motivate people to action, but the Palestinians didn't wake up one day and decide to fight purely for religious purposes. They think they're going to get their land back.

We also don't see Indonesian Muslims crazed rushing to fight Israel. How do you square your logic of "Islam is the underlying factor" with the fact that most Islamic countries don't give a **** about the Palestinians anymore.

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I'm going to have to push back a little bit. Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel because the United States basically pays them to do so. And they can read the room and see that messing with Israel will eventually get you attacked by the United States, and they don't want to deal with that.

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Not the same. The Palestinians attacked and targeted civilians. This has gone on long enough. Israel is responding. The response should be house to house extermination of Palestinian males.

That will end it.

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So kill all Palestinian males? That's your solution you want to ride or die with? Door to door executions?

Do you do the old men too?

Those with mental disabilities?

How about those men who have silently resisted Hamas their whole lives? Kill them too for not suicidally challenging the rule of Hamas openly?

What are you going to do with the women and children now that you've killed all the men? What's the next step in your crazy plan?

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most Islamic countries don't give a **** about the Palestinians anymore.

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They tried in the past, and got burned. Palestinians brought this all on themselves. From Israel defending itself to other countries not giving a single, solitary **** about them.

Me, personally, I don't care about any country except America. I support Israel doing for Israel, on their own, without my tax dollars NOR my country holding them back. I also support other countries doing for themselves. We have our own problems to solve.

Jordan and Egypt made peace because it's in their economic interest to do so.

They also learned they lose every war with Israel.

My point was they made the decision for practical reasons (as you also allude to). The decision making process of a Muslim is more complicated than this "bloodlust" theory that forum 16 seems to believe in.

I only mentioned them as an example of regional Islamic majority states that somehow have the restraint to not continually attack Israel.

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Jordan and Egypt made peace because it's in their economic interest to do so.

They also learned they lose every war with Israel.

My point was they made the decision for practical reasons (as you also allude to). The decision making process of a Muslim is more complicated than this "bloodlust" theory that forum 16 seems to believe in.

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I agree its a territorial thing over a religion thing.

Sorry. Poorly worded. The first part was directed at you because past interactions where you have had a hard time acknowledging how you profit from war and I found it interesting how easily you cast that on others.

The second part was directed at EP (and other posters) who don't offer viable solutions and set impossible standards to judge Israel by (and give a tacit pass to Hamas on their war crimes).

Apologies for the lack of clarity.

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Israel has gone out of their way, in crazy ways, to help keep collateral damage to a minimum.

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This claim is so far removed from reality that I assume the people making it either really have no clue what is going on or they are maliciously lying.

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If Israel went door to door and executed every Palestinian, I wouldn't give a ****. That's what Hamas would do given the opportunity, and all those poor, innocent Palestinians would be celebrating dancing in the streets, and parading all the bodies of dread Jews around.

How do we know they would do that? That's exactly what they did on 10/7. All of it. Has Israel gone door to door murdering every last one of them? No. They haven't. If they weren't going to great lengths to not kill civilians, they would have killed half of them by now.

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Bro what are you talking about. You support Israel genociding Palestinians because they would do the same to Israel? And what, that makes you somehow morally superior to the Palestinians? Sounds like you are the same as them, you just root for a different side.

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They've had many, many opportunities for peaceful coexistence, and they've rejected all of them. They're the ones who continually resort to murder and terrorism and have taken the billions in aid given to them over decades and chosen to use it all for tunnels, bunkers, and rocket attacks instead of building their own people up. Yeah, Israel would be justified in simply eliminating the problem once and for all because the Palestinians will NEVER be peaceful on their own.

And yet, they haven't. You can ignore that all you want, but Israel hasn't gone in and done what Hamas did. *****, moan, and complain all you want, but Israel isn't committing the genocide and murder you want them to be.

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Not the same. The Palestinians attacked and targeted civilians. This has gone on long enough. Israel is responding. The response should be house to house extermination of Palestinian males.

That will end it.

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So kill all Palestinian males? That's your solution you want to ride or die with? Door to door executions? YES

Do you do the old men too? YES

Those with mental disabilities? YES

How about those men who have silently resisted Hamas their whole lives? Kill them too for not suicidally challenging the rule of Hamas openly? YES

What are you going to do with the women and children now that you've killed all the men? What's the next step in your crazy plan? Destroy all of the infrastructure and displace them to other countries. They can go to France.

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We no longer actually win wars because we no longer fight to win. We don't call up everyone and send them with no one coming home until total victory. We no longer are willing to break the enemies will to fight.

I bought off on this whole Team America World Police crap on my first deployment to Iraq until my first bros starting dying to roadside IEDS. Then every Iraqi became the enemy.

On my second deployment, I was standing in a stadium in Sadr City providing security for the first free Iraqi election in January 2005 and watching these untermensch hold up their purple fingers and all I could think about was my bros that got smoked the week before by a vbied. Not one Iraqi was worth the cost in a single American life. We should have been killing them wholesale or just left.

I will never participate in another conflict where the US has not already decided to go Roman. And I will discourage and vote against it as well. It not fair to those that deploy.

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Not the same. The Palestinians attacked and targeted civilians. This has gone on long enough. Israel is responding. The response should be house to house extermination of Palestinian males.

That will end it.

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So kill all Palestinian males? That's your solution you want to ride or die with? Door to door executions?

Do you do the old men too?

Those with mental disabilities?

How about those men who have silently resisted Hamas their whole lives? Kill them too for not suicidally challenging the rule of Hamas openly?

What are you going to do with the women and children now that you've killed all the men? What's the next step in your crazy plan?

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They kill everyone and it's genocide, but if they go in with a scalpel it's mass murder. Heads they lost, tails the Palestinians and Hamas win.

There is zero evidence the bloodlust we suspect of Hamas is overstated. Zero.

Now if there is some portion of Palestinians immune from that, fine. It's just moot until they aren't controlled by Hamas.

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Israel has gone out of their way, in crazy ways, to help keep collateral damage to a minimum.

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This claim is so far removed from reality that I assume the people making it either really have no clue what is going on or they are maliciously lying.

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If Israel went door to door and executed every Palestinian, I wouldn't give a ****. That's what Hamas would do given the opportunity, and all those poor, innocent Palestinians would be celebrating dancing in the streets, and parading all the bodies of dread Jews around.

How do we know they would do that? That's exactly what they did on 10/7. All of it. Has Israel gone door to door murdering every last one of them? No. They haven't. If they weren't going to great lengths to not kill civilians, they would have killed half of them by now.

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Bro what are you talking about. You support Israel genociding Palestinians because they would do the same to Israel? And what, that makes you somehow morally superior to the Palestinians? Sounds like you are the same as them, you just root for a different side.

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They've had many, many opportunities for peaceful coexistence, and they've rejected all of them. They're the ones who continually resort to murder and terrorism and have taken the billions in aid given to them over decades and chosen to use it all for tunnels, bunkers, and rocket attacks instead of building their own people up. Yeah, Israel would be justified in simply eliminating the problem once and for all because the Palestinians will NEVER be peaceful on their own.

And yet, they haven't. You can ignore that all you want, but Israel hasn't gone in and done what Hamas did. *****, moan, and complain all you want, but Israel isn't committing the genocide and murder you want them to be.

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I don't want any genocide to be committed by either side. You literally just said you would have no problem if Israel genocided the Palestinians.

Since 10/7, Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than Hamas did.

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Not the same. The Palestinians attacked and targeted civilians. This has gone on long enough. Israel is responding. The response should be house to house extermination of Palestinian males.

That will end it.

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So kill all Palestinian males? That's your solution you want to ride or die with? Door to door executions?

Do you do the old men too?

Those with mental disabilities?

How about those men who have silently resisted Hamas their whole lives? Kill them too for not suicidally challenging the rule of Hamas openly?

What are you going to do with the women and children now that you've killed all the men? What's the next step in your crazy plan?

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They kill everyone and it's genocide, but if they go in with a scalpel it's mass murder. Heads they lost, tails the Palestinians and Hamas win.

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They have not gone in with a scalpel. We saw Israel can be "surgical" with attacks with the numerous assassinations they have committed over the last few years, as well as the strikes on Iranian military leadership during the Iran 12 Day War. What Israel has done to Gaza is not surgical, it is complete destruction of civilian infrastructure.

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Not the same. The Palestinians attacked and targeted civilians. This has gone on long enough. Israel is responding. The response should be house to house extermination of Palestinian males.

That will end it.

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So kill all Palestinian males? That's your solution you want to ride or die with? Door to door executions?

Do you do the old men too?

Those with mental disabilities?

How about those men who have silently resisted Hamas their whole lives? Kill them too for not suicidally challenging the rule of Hamas openly?

What are you going to do with the women and children now that you've killed all the men? What's the next step in your crazy plan?

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They kill everyone and it's genocide, but if they go in with a scalpel it's mass murder. Heads they lost, tails the Palestinians and Hamas win.

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They have not gone in with a scalpel. We saw Israel can be "surgical" with attacks with the numerous assassinations they have committed over the last few years, as well as the strikes on Iranian military leadership during the Iran 12 Day War. What Israel has done to Gaza is not surgical, it is complete destruction of civilian infrastructure.

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Question for the Hamas sympathizer, why doesn't Hamas give up the hostages ?

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most Islamic countries don't give a **** about the Palestinians anymore.

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They tried in the past, and got burned. Palestinians brought this all on themselves. From Israel defending itself to other countries not giving a single, solitary **** about them.

Me, personally, I don't care about any country except America. I support Israel doing for Israel, on their own, without my tax dollars NOR my country holding them back. I also support other countries doing for themselves. We have our own problems to solve.

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It's easy to say "I only care about America, we should just let Israel do what needs to be done!" Unfortunately this position cannot exist with the current situation. The United States is underwriting this Israeli war, both with funds and weapons, as well as international defense. If the United States quit funding the war, as well as withdrew its support for Israel, the entire world would rise up to stop Israel. As it stands now, we are their only powerful international supporter. So, if we are underwriting this war, we SHOULD be able to tell Israel how to conduct it. Unfortunately it does not seem like we are able to do that.