Russo Ukrainian peace on a knife's edge

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In reply to nortex97 • 8:48p, 6/7/25
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Weird you bring those wars up but not Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine. Never any criticism of Russia, at all. Interesting that whoever is pulling your strings has you abandoning any pretense these days.
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In reply to GAC06 • 8:54p, 6/7/25
Dude is a plain old pro putin (yes, he wants putins policy here at home), anti American, pro Russia bot like poster.


He says he is doing one thing, but then does another. He gets called out every two or three months, then does his little mea culpa stating he has no dog and just wants to post russian centric information to counter western propaganda because he finds it interesting, only to go beyond that and say things like ukriane committed a terrorist act because a truck driver was killed, but then explain away a hotel or apartment bombing by Russia because ther might have been some Ukrainian soldiers.

I think he might have been Spyderman before nortex.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 8:55p, 6/7/25
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You don't need to tell me. I'd say exactly what I think but I'd get banned.
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In reply to GAC06 • 9:19p, 6/7/25
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GAC06 said:
Weird you bring those wars up but not Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine. Never any criticism of Russia, at all. Interesting that whoever is pulling your strings has you abandoning any pretense these days.


The more desperate Russia gets the worse his propaganda gets. Really makes you wonder, huh?
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In reply to GAC06 • 10:02p, 6/7/25
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GAC06 said:
Weird you bring those wars up but not Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine. Never any criticism of Russia, at all. Interesting that whoever is pulling your strings has you abandoning any pretense these days.


Those were absolutely just wars, comrade. Those places were all direct threats to Russia on the verge of invasion before they were preemptively attacked.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:05p, 6/7/25
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Ultimately I suppose after Mogadishu, Iraq x2, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia, and I suppose reflection as to Tehran (1979) and others (including Rhodesia) I also just got fed up believing in 'the righteous war' narratives I was steadily raised on.

Kiev is such a vile regime it won't even accept it's own dead. It warrants zero support, period.

I recognize, again, this is unpopular. I don't care.
you are basically still being called a little Ivan after all these years for going against the borg on here in regard to UKE/Russia conflict.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 10:36p, 6/7/25
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ABATTBQ11 said:
GAC06 said:
Weird you bring those wars up but not Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine. Never any criticism of Russia, at all. Interesting that whoever is pulling your strings has you abandoning any pretense these days.


Those were absolutely just wars, comrade. Those places were all direct threats to Russia on the verge of invasion before they were preemptively attacked.


Don't forget Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Mongolia, and Azerbaijan. All huge threats to Russia that needed to be taken out.
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In reply to Cougar11 • 10:46p, 6/7/25
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nortex97 said:
Ultimately I suppose after Mogadishu, Iraq x2, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia, and I suppose reflection as to Tehran (1979) and others (including Rhodesia) I also just got fed up believing in 'the righteous war' narratives I was steadily raised on.

Kiev is such a vile regime it won't even accept it's own dead. It warrants zero support, period.

I recognize, again, this is unpopular. I don't care.
you are basically still being called a little Ivan after all these years for going against the borg on here in regard to UKE/Russia conflict.


Haven't you been banned yet?
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In reply to Aggie1205 • 11:07p, 6/7/25
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Aggie1205 said:
ABATTBQ11 said:
GAC06 said:
Weird you bring those wars up but not Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine. Never any criticism of Russia, at all. Interesting that whoever is pulling your strings has you abandoning any pretense these days.


Those were absolutely just wars, comrade. Those places were all direct threats to Russia on the verge of invasion before they were preemptively attacked.


Don't forget Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Mongolia, and Azerbaijan. All huge threats to Russia that needed to be taken out.


Russia needed a buffer against NATO aggression! They've been attached so many times!
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3:51a, 6/8/25
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Russia has started publishing the names of the dead Ukrainian soldiers Kiev won't take back, despite having agreed to do so.

Long thread; the Bolshevik bunker in downtown Kiev which had numerous red fireballs of secondary explosions when attacked this weekend, apparently had been converted to a cruise missile production facility, explaining the strike.

And Z-man is not happy about it, after unapologetically bombing civilian trains.

Sitrep: Russia strikes back as Ukraine bets house on 'asymmetric terror war.'

More at the link.
On Ukrainian journalist Boiko's devastating losses reported;
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We know Ukraine reportedly press-gangs upwards of 15-25k men a month, but loses upwards of 20k+ to hard losses (KIA plus disabled), and if we are to believe the above numbers, another 20-30k a month to desertion. This would give somewhere near 20k net depletion of manpower per month, or 240k per year, which is impossible to sustain.

By the way, note the journalist's own assertion above, which would affirm my option #1: he claims Ukraine only has 30-50k men along the entire frontline. This seems very difficult to believe at face value, however consider the following. Both sides are claimed to have 600-800k total manpower, however only a portion of this refers to 'combat troops' along the actual frontline. Combat troops are usually 20% of the total force or less. Many recent Ukrainian reports claim Russians outnumber them from 5:1 to 8:1 on various fronts. If Russia has about 250k combat troops along the front with the rest being the 'tail', then perhaps it's conceivable Ukraine's own combat numbers are really that lowbut still hard to believe, simply because it seems almost too catastrophic to be possible. But we may know the truth soon, given various predictions of Ukraine's "collapse" this coming summer.
Reuters: Russian response hasn't really happened yet.
Anyway, AMK mapping has more of the battlefield changes. Forever war.
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6:03a, 6/8/25
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Still a 'limited' war; the Russian side has complained that they haven't taken out the bridges across the Dnieper many times over the past 3 years.
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In reply to nortex97 • 6:20a, 6/8/25
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nortex97 said:
Ultimately I suppose after Mogadishu, Iraq x2, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia, and I suppose reflection as to Tehran (1979) and others (including Rhodesia) I also just got fed up believing in 'the righteous war' narratives I was steadily raised on.

Kiev is such a vile regime it won't even accept it's own dead. It warrants zero support, period.

I recognize, again, this is unpopular. I don't care.


If your position was merely an Isolationist 'Europe is not our problem and we should not be involved in this Ukraine/Russia conflict in any way' position then there would be other people here that disagree with you and that would merely be a difference of opinion. And we could of course debate that topic.

But that is not what you have been doing. You have been taking a pro-Russian viewpoint often pushing pro-Russian propaganda taking points.

Look, you said you consider Zelensky a vile regime that deserves no support. Okay fine. But do you not also consider Putin a vile regime? What is there about Putin to like in any degree? Why are you seemingly 'rooting for' Russia in many of your posts?

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In reply to Pumpkinhead • 7:42a, 6/8/25
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Our Ukrainian 'allies' align against American interests (and especially Trump) time and again, and not just on social media, including in the 'peace process.' Russian interests really…just don't. They as well harbor deep distrust of China (unlike Democrats of course) and if we could get this war over with we might be able to get them to separate more from that alliance.


More at that example's timeline on X. I'm personally fatigued of reports/demands that Russia/Putin is behind every problem in the world, since at least 2016, including in our domestic politics (I never fell for the 'Ohr-Steele dossier' of Russian lies).
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In reply to nortex97 • 7:48a, 6/8/25
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nortex97 said:
Ultimately I suppose after Mogadishu, Iraq x2, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia, and I suppose reflection as to Tehran (1979) and others (including Rhodesia) I also just got fed up believing in 'the righteous war' narratives I was steadily raised on.

Kiev is such a vile regime it won't even accept it's own dead. It warrants zero support, period.

I recognize, again, this is unpopular. I don't care.
Ukraine isn't the ideal regime and one that you dislike. OK, fine. But we wouldn't even be talking about Ukraine "accepting their dead" if the russians hadn't invaded their country 3 years ago. This "special military operation" would be over in minutes if the ever-so-virtuous putin called off the dogs.

You want to talk about things "vile"? How about victim shaming? This is no different than saying a woman deserved to get raped because her blouse was too tight. Be better than this...
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5:52a, 6/9/25
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Brutal occupation:

Comparison:


Interestingly, the 'bone crushing sanctions' bill Lindsey Graham is so amped about is apparently paused as Trump hasn't indicated an approval:
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7:35a, 6/9/25
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Talking/respect works, remarkably (Germany #1, fwiw).

Terrorism:
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7:42a, 6/9/25
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What does it mean to live in your own mind?


The expression "living inside my head" is often used to describe a situation where a person is preoccupied with their own thoughts, to the point where they may feel disconnected from the world around them.Jun 7, 2023
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:47a, 6/9/25
For those who are following, nowhere in that video does Zelenskyy say anything like what bebo says in that tweet, so no telling where those accusations are from. He's also been miraculously silent about Russia's now daily lobbing of cruise missiles and drones into apartment buildings though, seems pretty terroristic to me.
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:57a, 6/9/25
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That still isn't "targeting" and Zelensky didn't make that claim at all. It's just pure misrepresentation of his actual interview and doesn't help dialogue at all on topic.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:08a, 6/9/25
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The video, and comments after are accurate. Ukrainian war crimes hiding among civilians in terms of war production/uniformed military etc. are also accurate.

Rutte, LOL, with zero military background, and almost no modern air defense production capacity in Europe, makes more calls for big things.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:09a, 6/9/25
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
For those who are following, nowhere in that video does Zelenskyy say anything like what bebo says in that tweet, so no telling where those accusations are from. He's also been miraculously silent about Russia's now daily lobbing of cruise missiles and drones into apartment buildings though, seems pretty terroristic to me.

How dare ye besmirch the impeccable and totally unbiased reputation of Lord Bebo in this way. You must be friends with "the goblin" or part of the Kiev regime.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:11a, 6/9/25
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You say you want us to leave NATO, and the Euros should tend to their own garden. But then you ridicule them for trying to do just that...

Russia is a terrible neighbor. Why shouldn't Europe try to do more to counter that fact on their own? Wouldn't that be a good thing leading to less reliance on us?
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:17a, 6/9/25
Nothing in the interview that bebo posted says what his fake summary says, which is standard behavior for all of our favorite Russian propagandists since they know a large amount of people will share without watching or caring if it's true. But you already knew that.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:27a, 6/9/25
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
Nothing in the interview that bebo posted says what his fake summary says, which is standard behavior for all of our favorite Russian propagandists since they know a large amount of people will share without watching or caring if it's true. But you already knew that.
It was/is an accurate translation, and the truck drivers deaths are noted in media but I am not posting war p0rn to support it. It's all over X (and elsewhere) if one wants to look for it.


Using unaware civilians and killing them if they then fail to cooperate is terrorism, period. It's fine and well that the targets themselves were valid military ones, but this component, as with the dropping of bridges on civilian trains, was simple terrorism/war crimes.
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9:31a, 6/9/25
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I swear it's all just a troll at this point. Has to be.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:32a, 6/9/25
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It was/is an accurate translation,

But it's not, no matter how many times you try to misrepesent it. Target insinuates their death was an objective for this attack. Killing the truck driver was never a condition of success, ie not a target. Their deaths weren't even needed for success, as seen by the ones that lived and their payloads deploying properly.

You are, and have been, describing collateral damage. Which is a part of every war since ever.

And what's worse is you know this, but have to pretend it's not in order to support the narrative you choose to convey.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:33a, 6/9/25
Again, bebo says "Zelenskyy admitted to targeted killing of truck drivers." That's a lie. He never says that. Bebo knows it's a lie and so do you but yet it still gets shared as if it's true.

Also - if that's terrorism what would you call this?

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5325651-kherson-drones-civilians-ukraine/amp/

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"They are killing ordinary civilian people, just elderly people, children, those who are waiting at the bus stop they are killing them, they are taking videos of that and they are putting them online on their Telegram channels," said Oleksandr Prokudin, head of the Kherson Regional Military Administration.

"They are calling it a 'safari,' and they are just laughing at it and there is nothing we can do to combat the drones."
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:34a, 6/9/25
nortex97 said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Nothing in the interview that bebo posted says what his fake summary says, which is standard behavior for all of our favorite Russian propagandists since they know a large amount of people will share without watching or caring if it's true. But you already knew that.
It was/is an accurate translation, and the truck drivers deaths are noted in media but I am not posting war p0rn to support it. It's all over X (and elsewhere) if one wants to look for it.


Using unaware civilians and killing them if they then fail to cooperate is terrorism, period. It's fine and well that the targets themselves were valid military ones, but this component, as with the dropping of bridges on civilian trains, was simple terrorism/war crimes.


I appreciate you posting some real information instead of just Ukraine propaganda
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In reply to samurai_science • 9:36a, 6/9/25
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What makes that "real"? Beause it confirms what you want to believe?
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:52a, 6/9/25
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Thx for sharing. It's a sad story but I find this part most interesting:
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Asked about Trump's efforts to achieve a ceasefire, Prokudin said any pause must be used to prepare for a resumption of the war.


"If it happens, we prepare to war," he said in English.
The population of Kherson has plummeted amid the war. About 150,000 people live in the de-occupied region, down from a prewar level of 500,000.
And frankly, I don't find her (Produkin) credible, ultimately (clearly a partisan, and there is zero freedom of press in Ukraine). If anything, read skeptically, it questions the claims as to 'safari's' the article cites;
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The daily terror makes Kherson one of the most difficult places to live, which the commission report said is Russia's intention.

Prokudin said most of the people who stay in the region are elderly, with no desire to move or start a new life as a refugee. Any young people are likely working for the government.

Among them is 23-year-old Victoria Maryshchuk, who works in the press office for the military administration of the city.
In other words, a military target. And she cites 150 'civilian' deaths despite claiming 2,000-3,000 attacks per week.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:57a, 6/9/25
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Collateral damage is now terrorism, and killing 23 year old secretaries at press offices are now valid military targets.


I really am at a loss here...
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:58a, 6/9/25
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And frankly, I don't find her (Produkin) credible, ultimately (clearly a partisan, and there is zero freedom of press in Ukraine). If anything, read skeptically, it questions the claims as to 'safari's' the article cites;

And there's even less freedom of the press in Russia. So what makes them credible and where is your filter on their partisans?
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 10:05a, 6/9/25
ABATTBQ11 said:
I swear it's all just a troll at this point. Has to be.
Or it pays well.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:55a, 6/9/25
As expected - pro Russia article? Airtight sourcing and 100% true. Anything even slightly critical of Russia? Must be fake news.

And of course, still waiting on any proof Zelenskyy "Zelenskyy admitted to targeted killing of truck drivers" like Bebo claims.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 11:05a, 6/9/25
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
As expected - pro Russia article? Airtight sourcing and 100% true. Anything even slightly critical of Russia? Must be fake news.

And of course, still waiting on any proof Zelenskyy "Zelenskyy admitted to targeted killing of truck drivers" like Bebo claims.
He admitted they had no awareness of their involvement, and we know they died when they got suspicious. It's not complicated. There was no need to kill/maim them.

If American truck drivers were used and harmed similarly in such an attack, whether by China or Bin Laden inc. etc, I think the outcry would be loud and clear. Unfortunately, this is also a realistic/valid fear. The war drones on…
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