Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

So they bomb indiscriminately and they don't allow any food in at all, then? Is that what you are suggesting?

My suggestion is for hamas to surrender and release the hostages. Gazans can save themselves.

TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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Actually, they have been terribly inefficient at it if that were their goal.

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Phatbob said:

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The first story to come out is always propaganda, and given the language in it, it is obvious that this is. The correction, the actual truth behind it, usually comes out later, but after those who are willing to eat it up have already done so. This happens every single time, but rather than be skeptical of the same playbook that turns out to be lies, it gets consumed as if history never happened.

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That's absolutely not accurate. There is a video of the attack -- filmed by an Israeli no less. Are you claiming the video is a deep fake or something? Israel has apologized, so the event clearly took place.

I am skeptical. Very skeptical. Why don't you trying being skeptical of Israel? They are probably the world's best at pumping out the propaganda.

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I saw an explosion.

Prove to me that it wasn't a Hamas rocket that hit them.

I love the fact that for the people predisposed to hate Israel for reasons that mostly rhyme with "Auntie Simytism", they assume that every explosion that kills somebody who was not a declared member of Hamas was deliberately targeting civilians, despite the fact that Hamas selects the targets for Israel by where they choose to hide their facilities and weapons. If the Palestinians and the UN don't like hospitals being blown up, quit allowing Hamas to dig tunnels under and store weapons and fighters there. There is a long line of UN employees, AP, and Reuters stringers that have been conclusively proven to work for and with Hamas. So finding out that some of them died in a bombing targeting Hamas is neither surprising nor upsetting to me. Hamas can end all of the suffering in a heartbeat by releasing the hostages and laying down their weapons.

Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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The first story to come out is always propaganda, and given the language in it, it is obvious that this is. The correction, the actual truth behind it, usually comes out later, but after those who are willing to eat it up have already done so. This happens every single time, but rather than be skeptical of the same playbook that turns out to be lies, it gets consumed as if history never happened.

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That's absolutely not accurate. There is a video of the attack -- filmed by an Israeli no less. Are you claiming the video is a deep fake or something? Israel has apologized, so the event clearly took place.

I am skeptical. Very skeptical. Why don't you trying being skeptical of Israel? They are probably the world's best at pumping out the propaganda.

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I saw an explosion.

Prove to me that it wasn't a Hamas rocket that hit them.

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Are you really this obtuse or actually stupid? It was Israel. I will repost the article with the information in it for you. Try reading it. Netanyahu apologized for the "tragic mishap". This is Israel acknowledging they did it. Why would they apologize if it was Hamas? You're not worth engaging with anymore.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/25/journalists-among-people-killed-by-israeli-strike-on-gaza-hospital

Have the hostages been released?

EVERYTHING that comes out of the Gaza Strip by Hamas is a lie.

EVERYTHING.

BREAKING: After its initial inquiry into the Nasser Hospital strike, the IDF confirmed six of those killed were terrorists—one took part in the Oct 7 invasion.

Once again, the media should wait for the facts instead of rushing to condemn. pic.twitter.com/4LUZAoAm2y

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) August 26, 2025

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EVERYTHING that comes out of the Gaza Strip by Hamas is a lie.

EVERYTHING.

BREAKING: After its initial inquiry into the Nasser Hospital strike, the IDF confirmed six of those killed were terrorists—one took part in the Oct 7 invasion.

Once again, the media should wait for the facts instead of rushing to condemn. pic.twitter.com/4LUZAoAm2y

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) August 26, 2025

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Remember when our government was putting out lies and doing coverups like the Russian collusion hoax, Covid hoax, Clinton email servers, Biden laptop, leading circus impeachment trials, failed assassination attempts, censoring dissent, etc.? I think a lot of smart people caught on that we were clearly being lied to and gamed. So blindly believing everything the government of Israel is putting out is simply stunning. We don't even trust ours.

BlackGold said:

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LMCane said:

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EVERYTHING that comes out of the Gaza Strip by Hamas is a lie.

EVERYTHING.

BREAKING: After its initial inquiry into the Nasser Hospital strike, the IDF confirmed six of those killed were terrorists—one took part in the Oct 7 invasion.

Once again, the media should wait for the facts instead of rushing to condemn. pic.twitter.com/4LUZAoAm2y

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) August 26, 2025

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Remember when our government was putting out lies and doing coverups like the Russian collusion hoax, Clinton email servers, Biden laptop, leading circus impeachment trials, failed assassination attempts, censoring dissent, etc.? I think a lot of smart people caught on that we were clearly being lied to and gamed. So blindly believing everything the government of Israel is putting out is simply stunning. We don't even trust ours.

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Did they release the hostages yet? No? Then I DGAF

Compared to Hamas, everything governments (including Israel) puts out is gospel.

BlackGold said:

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LMCane said:

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EVERYTHING that comes out of the Gaza Strip by Hamas is a lie.

EVERYTHING.

BREAKING: After its initial inquiry into the Nasser Hospital strike, the IDF confirmed six of those killed were terrorists—one took part in the Oct 7 invasion.

Once again, the media should wait for the facts instead of rushing to condemn. pic.twitter.com/4LUZAoAm2y

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) August 26, 2025

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Remember when our government was putting out lies and doing coverups like the Russian collusion hoax, Clinton email servers, Biden laptop, leading circus impeachment trials, failed assassination attempts, censoring dissent, etc.? I think a lot of smart people caught on that we were clearly being lied to and gamed. So blindly believing everything the government of Israel is putting out is simply stunning. We don't even trust ours.

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Would rather believe Hamas than Israel or US government. Check. Spreadsheet updated "Auntie".

This thread is great for sorting out emotional based thinkers vs logic based.

The great irony is the emotional based thinkers cause more destruction and pain.

For military targets sited within civilian areas, the International Law of War assigns responsibility for any noncombatant casualties on those who placed those targets among civilians, not on the attackers.

"Whatever may be the moral ambiguities of the so-called democratic nations, and however serious may be their failure to conform perfectly to their democratic ideals, it is sheer moral perversity to equate the inconsistencies of a democratic civilization with the brutalities which modern tyrannical states (Hamas - added) practice."
(Reinhold Niebuhr, 1892 1971, theologian and pacifist)

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This thread is great for sorting out emotional based thinkers vs logic based.

The great irony is the emotional based thinkers cause more destruction and pain.

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Indeed. The anti-Israel fools are #2 to Hamas on causing of death of Palestinian children. They are the ones who make human shields work.

Hm. On the one side we have a country that we are philosophically aligned with defending themselves against terrorism from all sides. And on the other side we have a terrorist organization that mass murdered and raped innocent civilians and kidnapped babies.

Think I know who I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to.

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

So all the info coming out of Gaza is either Israel's, which is gospel, or it's Hamas propaganda. Independent journalists, reporters from other countries, dissenting Israeli's, I guess that all gets lumped into Hamas propaganda too? That's funny.

Remember when our government lied to us about Covid? They told us Covid happened in a wet market from a bat and that was the gospel and everything else was an extremist conspiracy? Even had other countries join in. Israel doesn't and would never lie though.

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Of course the hostages should be released. I think we're beyond that. Not every person in Gaza is holding a hostage or knows where they are being held though, yet they are all getting treated as such. Blowing up the hospitals, infrastructure and civilians clearly isn't getting them released any quicker.

If I am holding a hostage, my neighbor next door, the apartment complex across the street and the hospital down the road, and all the streets in between, don't deserve to be targets of a drone strike or a bombing and starvation campaign. Even if the mayor in town agrees with what I am doing. That is just crazy talk.

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BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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The first story to come out is always propaganda, and given the language in it, it is obvious that this is. The correction, the actual truth behind it, usually comes out later, but after those who are willing to eat it up have already done so. This happens every single time, but rather than be skeptical of the same playbook that turns out to be lies, it gets consumed as if history never happened.

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That's absolutely not accurate. There is a video of the attack -- filmed by an Israeli no less. Are you claiming the video is a deep fake or something? Israel has apologized, so the event clearly took place.

I am skeptical. Very skeptical. Why don't you trying being skeptical of Israel? They are probably the world's best at pumping out the propaganda.

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I saw an explosion.

Prove to me that it wasn't a Hamas rocket that hit them.

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Are you really this obtuse or actually stupid? It was Israel. I will repost the article with the information in it for you. Try reading it. Netanyahu apologized for the "tragic mishap". This is Israel acknowledging they did it. Why would they apologize if it was Hamas? You're not worth engaging with anymore.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/25/journalists-among-people-killed-by-israeli-strike-on-gaza-hospital

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I read it. It was propaganda.

And those same propagandists lie ALL THE TIME in order to make Israel look bad and Hamas look good.


There is ZERO proof in that "article" that it was an Israeli bomb.

Hell, Hamas has killed numerous Gazans with their own rockets and immediately blamed it on Israel - and then your propaganda spreaders write stories about how horrific the Israelis are...

And then Hamas apologists like you immediately swallow it hook line and sinker...

So why would Bibi apologize?

LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

Because he is terrible at the PR war.

And he is terrible at it because of people like you.

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Because he is terrible at the PR war.

And he is terrible at it because of people like you.

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

TxAG#2011 said:

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LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

BlackGold said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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Could be.

But, your story didn't mention that terrorists committing war crimes were killed, though. Why not?

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TxAG#2011 said:

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LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

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You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

TxAG#2011 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

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You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

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You're bad at this and should just stop.

TxAG#2011 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

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You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

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They can not stand right next to a terrorist who is attempting to commit a war crime.

TxAG#2011 said:

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LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Ask Hamas. They are the ones who started the war and are keeping it going.

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TxAG#2011 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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LMCane said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

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You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

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You're bad at this and should just stop.

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Wow, you are a real expert dude. Congrats.