The Gaza debate

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Phatbob
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TxAG#2011 said:

Phatbob said:

TxAG#2011 said:

Ag with kids said:

TxAG#2011 said:

LMCane said:

TxAG#2011 said:

Phatbob said:

Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.


if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

You're bad at this and should just stop.

Wow, you are a real expert dude. Congrats.

Ok, fine, get them all out of your system. We have "genocide", "Open air prison", "starving civilians"... any other random bumper sticker propaganda you wanna throw in for good measure? Let's not draw this out.
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TxAG#2011 said:

Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

Those "innocent" civilians ELECTED Hamas and continue to support them. You should go look at all the celebration videos made by those "innocent" civilians regarding Oct 7th. Hamas is the gov't of Gaza. They should release the hostages and surrender if they give a damn about the "innocent" Gazans.
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Phatbob said:

BlackGold said:

Ag with kids said:

BlackGold said:

So why would Bibi apologize?

Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.
TxAG#2011
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Phatbob said:

TxAG#2011 said:

Phatbob said:

TxAG#2011 said:

Ag with kids said:

TxAG#2011 said:

LMCane said:

TxAG#2011 said:

Phatbob said:

Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.


if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

You're bad at this and should just stop.

Wow, you are a real expert dude. Congrats.

Ok, fine, get them all out of your system. We have "genocide", "Open air prison", "starving civilians"... any other random bumper sticker propaganda you wanna throw in for good measure? Let's not draw this out.

How is it propaganda if it is corroborated by numerous western governments? Governments that are allies of the USA?

The only people corroborating your version of events are the Israeli government. Even quacks like Marjorie taylor green are calling it a famine



ABATTBQ11
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He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.
BlackGold
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ABATTBQ11 said:

He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

Glad he came to the correct conclusion. It was an Israeli attack. I am old enough to remember a lot of lies our government has told too.
Phatbob
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BlackGold said:

Phatbob said:

BlackGold said:

Ag with kids said:

BlackGold said:

So why would Bibi apologize?

Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.
Ag with kids
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BlackGold said:

Phatbob said:

BlackGold said:

Ag with kids said:

BlackGold said:

So why would Bibi apologize?

Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

I wasn't.

I was pointing out that it easily could have been Hamas because the article was nothing but anti-Israel propaganda.

I notice you didn't answer why the article didn't mention terrorists being killed, though...
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ABATTBQ11 said:

He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

This...
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BlackGold said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

Glad he came to the correct conclusion. It was an Israeli attack. I am old enough to remember a lot of lies our government has told too.

It appears it was an Israeli attack on terrorists.

You keep forgetting that last part.
 
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