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And you have two contradicting strains here:

1) There is no starvation at all. It's all fake news.

2) Let them keep starving.

You all need to try and stay on the same page for your message to be effective.

And yes, Trump said that starvation is real and happening. But everyone knows (including his supporters) you can't trust a single word that comes from his mouth.

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1. There's probably starvation happening on a wide scale, but it's not because of Israel. That's the difference in opinion. Palestinians have aid, and much of it is stolen from each other and/or squandered. They're doing this to each other. We're not even going to touch on the fact that the palestinians could have given up on terrorism and embraced peace a long time ago but chose to hold onto hatred and a thirst for vengeance instead.

2. They're reaping the whirlwind. The people crying about this now and holding their starving kids were cheering on hamas on 10/7 and celebrating the torture and murder of Israeli children. Now that the chickens have come home to roost, it's unfair? Nah, **** that mess.

I'm feeling peckish; L'tat, c'est moi?

Obviously there is a sense that a power shift is possible.

This will be used as the excuse to saturate the area with friendly allies and possibly drown out the remaining HAMAS in a nonviolent way.

I would image reconstruction could move pretty dam fast.

Why it is Israel's job to make sure their enemy is well fed?

Could you imagine us sending pallets of food to Japan in 1944?

LMCane said:

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It's very hard to stomach someone claiming that the Hamas supporters in Gaza

are just the same as Republicans in the USA from 2020-2025.

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aTmAg said:

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Why it is Israel's job to make sure their enemy is well fed?

Could you imagine us sending pallets of food to Japan in 1944?

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I mean, we sort of sent them two microwaves, addressed to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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aTmAg said:

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Why it is Israel's job to make sure their enemy is well fed?

Could you imagine us sending pallets of food to Japan in 1944?

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I mean, we sort of sent them two microwaves, addressed to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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But they provided their own meat.

Your peace plan fails at step 1.

Hamas isn't going to negotiate away its power.

Period.

Hamas members are not going to negotiate their own death. So any "peace deal" is an instant non-starter.

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It's a big deal.

It's also a part of war and worse for the innocents it's an integral part of Hamas' propaganda machine.

You are looking at it through Western eyes.

They look at it as a cost of doing business.

And the more sympathizers it gains them the more of their own people they will sacrifice.

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This 100 X this!

It is the way of Islam, they kill each other all the time. They have been a civil war with each other since the deranged 'prophets' death!

Western Palestinian sympathizers have almost as much blood on their hands as Hamas.

Israel should not be held accountable for Hamas starving the people of Gaza. The problem is that much of the world thinks Palestinians' propensity for violence is driven by poverty or oppression, but these Palestinans are just hateful, lawless, and perverted barbarians. I hope Israel defeats Hamas for good.

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Hamas and 10/7 had widespread support until Israel went in and wrecked their ****. They've supported terrorism for decades because it didn't come with real, lasting consequences, but now that it finally hurts all of a sudden they don't like it.

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Look, you're not wrong that Hamas had a disgusting amount of support post-October 7 - polls showed 60-70% in Gaza cheering that horror show early on. And yeah, decades of backing terrorism didn't exactly come with a timeout. But acting like "wrecking their ****" is some righteous wake-up call that'll fix everything is straight-up delusional. PCPSR polls from 2024 show Hamas support dropping to 35-40%, not because Gazans suddenly love Israel, but because they're getting crushed and see no endgame. Collective punishment - blockades, bombs flattening neighborhoods, kids starving - doesn't "teach a lesson"; it breeds more hate, more desperation, more recruits for the next Hamas. You think 20 months of this has made Gaza less radical? Nah, it's just piling up kindling for the next fire. The real play isn't coddling or spanking - it's cutting off Hamas's oxygen. That means controlled aid to feed people, not tunnels, and a political path that gives Palestinians something to live for besides revenge. Keep cheering "discipline" like it's a parenting manual, and you're just signing up for endless war.

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So not one articulable actionable item.

Got it.

I think it's clear what the lazy dodge is.

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You're calling for "actionable items" like I'm supposed to hand you a PowerPoint for Middle East peace. Alright, let's get specific.

• Ceasefire with teeth: Push for an immediate, internationally brokered ceasefire tied to Hamas releasing all hostages and Israel halting airstrikes and ground ops. Egypt, Qatar, and the UN have mediated deals before - lean on them to enforce terms, with consequences like sanctions for non-compliance.
• Controlled humanitarian aid: Set up secure aid corridors overseen by neutral third parties (not UNRWA, given the trust issues). Use tech like blockchain for transparent tracking to ensure food and medicine reach civilians, not Hamas's tunnels. Israel gets to inspect, but no blanket blockades starving kids.
• Political transition plan: Back Palestinian elections under international oversight to replace Hamas with leaders who aren't hell-bent on martyrdom. Regional players like Jordan and Saudi Arabia can fund and legitimize moderates. Israel must commit to easing settlement expansion to show good faith.
• Economic reconstruction: Channel aid into rebuilding Gaza's infrastructure - hospitals, schools, water systems - not just rubble-clearing. Tie funding to anti-terror measures to starve Hamas's recruitment pitch. The Marshall Plan worked post-WWII; a mini-version could work here.
• Long-term diplomacy: Revive two-state talks based on pre-1967 borders with land swaps, as floated in past deals like Oslo or Camp David. It's not perfect, but it's a framework both sides have flirted with. Pressure the US govt to stop vetoing UN resolutions that hold both sides accountable.

This isn't wishful thinking - it's a framework rooted in what's been tried, what's worked elsewhere, and what's realistic if the world stops shrugging. Hamas thrives in chaos; starve them of it by giving people a reason to reject them. Bombing alone hasn't worked in 20 months - why double down on failure? Your "military solution only" stance isn't tough; it's a recipe for more bodies and more blowback. Step up and demand better.

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1) Hamas has refused any ceasefire that doesn't leave them in power and has conditioned full release of all of the hostages on Israel also releasing thousands of Hamas militants back into Gaza. Any cease fire that leaves Hamas in power in Gaza and strengthens them by adding thousands to their numbers is a non-starter with Israel. Any cease fire has to include Hamas disarmed and out of power in Gaza. No peace broker exists who can deliver that.

2) There is no such "neutral third party" in position to execute this one. Israel can't go back to letting aid in with weapons in it or that immediately gets diverted to Hamas. If Hamas still exists, the aid will have to be defended by military force.

3) No problem with this one. Gaza needs a stable government that is not Hamas or otherwise Iranian backed.

4) Reconstruction is great and needs to happen, but should be funded largely by the Gulf states that funded much of the terrorism against Israel. Supplied need to be overseen by Israel to make sure they are not diverted to rebuilding tunnels or rockets like concrete and water pipes were in the past.

5) Israel has given up a lot of territory and has been slapped in the face with rockets and suicide bombs for their trouble. Expecting them to give up strategic high ground like the Golan Heights with an Islamic extremist junta ruling Syria is a non-starter. The Palestinians need to accept that they are negotiating from a position of weakness and take what they can get without making land grab demands that will scuttle any possible deal.

Bottom line is that all of this is delusional hopium fueled dreams until Hamas is forcibly disarmed or agrees to lay down their arms and walk away. As long as Hamas stays in power as a military opponent in Gaza, none of the above has any hope of coming to pass.

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You're throwing out some real talk, but let's not pretend your "Hamas must die first" plan is any less of a fever dream. 20 months of Israel going full scorched-earth, and Hamas is still kicking. What's the timeline for your magic bullet? Another 20 years?

• Ceasefire: Yeah, Hamas won't negotiate their own funeral. No kidding. That's why you need heavyweights like Egypt and Qatar, who've brokered deals before, to twist arms with threats of cutting off their cash flow. Sanctions on their backers in Iran could help. It's not about trust; it's about leverage.
• Aid: Neutral third parties existthink Red Cross or Norwegian monitors, not UNRWA. Blockchain tracking tech can lock down where aid goes. If Hamas touches it, you've got proof to shut them down. Military escorts? Fine, but don't use that as an excuse to choke off food and medicine.
• Reconstruction: Gulf states should pony up, sure, but Israel overseeing every brick risks turning it into another control scheme that breeds resentment. Independent oversight with Israeli input works better.
• Diplomacy: Israel's been burned giving up land - nobody's denying that. But Palestinians aren't negotiating from strength either. That's why pre-1967 borders with swaps is a starting point, not a demand. Both sides need skin in the game, not just one groveling.

Bottom line: Waiting for Hamas to vanish before doing anything is the real hopium. You don't end terror by bombing civilians into submissionthat's how you make more terrorists. My plan's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot smarter than doubling down on a strategy that's failed for decades.

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What precent of the people Gaza support Hamas and their tacticts?

I'll hang up and listen.

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You want a number? Polls from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) in 2024 show Hamas support in Gaza has dropped to around 35-40% for their tactics and governance, down from peaks of 60-70% post-October 7, 2023. Support for the October 7 attacks specifically has also tanked, sitting below 40% now. Meanwhile, over 60% of Gazans back a two-state solution or negotiations for peace. These aren't my feelingsthese are data points from credible sources on the ground. But let's not kid ourselves: Hamas still has a grip because desperation, fear, and a lack of viable alternatives keep people tethered to them. That doesn't mean every Gazan is chanting for jihad. Painting them all as Hamas fanboys is lazy and ignores the reality of a population trapped between a terrorist regime and a crushing military response. If you want to know why Hamas still has any support, look at the blockade, the bombs, and the lack of a political horizonthose are the fertilizers for extremism, not some inherent Palestinian bloodlust.

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Even if this was true. I don't care. Israel has every right to protect its citizens. Palestinians should have been more careful about who they elect and allow to keep in power. They are FAFO for that idiocy.

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"FAFO"? Cute bumper sticker, but it's a garbage take. Israel's got a right to protect its people - no one's arguing they should sit back and eat rockets. But blaming millions of Gazans for "electing" Hamas in 2006 - when half the population wasn't even old enough to vote - is straight-up lazy. Hamas rules by fear, not love. You think civilians can just "be more careful" and overthrow a terrorist regime while dodging airstrikes and starvation? Get real.

This isn't about denying Israel's security; it's about recognizing that flattening Gaza doesn't make Israel safer - it just creates more enemies. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya: collective punishment didn't end terror; it multiplied it. If you want Israel secure, demand a strategy that doesn't turn every kid in Gaza into a future militant. Your "they deserve it" schtick isn't tough - it's signing up for endless war.

This BS is why we have not won a war in 3 generations. An enemy's will can be broken if you have the resolve to do it. You think the Palestinians have more intestinal fortitude than the Japanese?

They break or you put them to the sword. All of them if necessary.

But you are correct, if the Israelis limit their savagery, then they cannot end it. They need to go Roman and end this once and for all. It is past time.

sam callahan said:

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Your peace plan fails at step 1.

Hamas isn't going to negotiate away its power.

Period.

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Oh, you got a crystal ball telling you Hamas will never budge? Cool story. Look, nobody's saying Hamas is itching to retire. They're a terrorist outfit that thrives on chaos. But acting like they're invincible gods who can't be pressured is just giving them a free pass.

Egypt and Qatar have dragged Hamas to the table before - 2014, 2021. It's not about them playing nice; it's about squeezing their lifelines. Cut off Iranian funding, freeze their exiled leaders' assets in places like Qatar, and suddenly they're less cocky. Add in regional pressure from Saudi Arabia, who's sick of Iran's proxies, and you've got leverage. Not fairy tales - geopolitics.

Your "just bomb harder" plan? It's been 20 months, and Hamas is still there. How's that working out? Keep pretending military force alone will fix this, and you're not solving anything - you're just racking up bodies and guaranteeing round two. Step up with a real strategy, or stop whining about mine.

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Israel should not be held accountable for Hamas starving the people of Gaza. The problem is that much of the world thinks Palestinians' propensity for violence is driven by poverty or oppression, but these Palestinans are just hateful, lawless, and perverted barbarians. I hope Israel defeats Hamas for good.

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Calling Palestinians "hateful, lawless, perverted barbarians"? Man, that's not an argument - it's a tantrum. You're buying the same tired propaganda that paints an entire people as subhuman to justify whatever happens to them. That's not just wrong; it's dangerous.

Hamas is starving Gazans, sure - they steal aid, hoard supplies, and use civilians as shields. They're scum. But Israel's blockade, which throttles food, medicine, and fuel, isn't exactly handing out hugs. Oxfam and the UN reported in 2024 that Gaza's on the brink of famine - not because of Hamas alone, but because aid's being choked off. Both sides are culpable and pretending Israel's hands are clean is just dodging reality.

And this "they're just violent savages" nonsense? PCPSR polls show 60% of Gazans want a two-state solution, and Hamas support's down to 35%. People aren't born hating - they're made that way by decades of war, occupation, and despair. You want Hamas gone for good? Stop fueling the conditions that keep them in power. Bombing civilians and calling them barbarians doesn't defeat terror - it creates it. Learn from Iraq, where you served: endless war didn't fix anything. Demand a smarter path.

jaborch99 said:

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Israel should not be held accountable for Hamas starving the people of Gaza. The problem is that much of the world thinks Palestinians' propensity for violence is driven by poverty or oppression, but these Palestinans are just hateful, lawless, and perverted barbarians. I hope Israel defeats Hamas for good.

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Calling Palestinians "hateful, lawless, perverted barbarians"? Man, that's not an argument - it's a tantrum. You're buying the same tired propaganda that paints an entire people as subhuman to justify whatever happens to them. That's not just wrong; it's dangerous.

Hamas is starving Gazans, sure - they steal aid, hoard supplies, and use civilians as shields. They're scum. But Israel's blockade, which throttles food, medicine, and fuel, isn't exactly handing out hugs. Oxfam and the UN reported in 2024 that Gaza's on the brink of famine - not because of Hamas alone, but because aid's being choked off. Both sides are culpable and pretending Israel's hands are clean is just dodging reality.

And this "they're just violent savages" nonsense? PCPSR polls show 60% of Gazans want a two-state solution, and Hamas support's down to 35%. People aren't born hating - they're made that way by decades of war, occupation, and despair. You want Hamas gone for good? Stop fueling the conditions that keep them in power. Bombing civilians and calling them barbarians doesn't defeat terror - it creates it. Learn from Iraq, where you served: endless war didn't fix anything. Demand a smarter path.

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LOL

Oh...you're being serious?!

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This BS is why we have not won a war in 3 generations. An enemy's will can be broken if you have the resolve to do it. You think the Palestinians have more intestinal fortitude than the Japanese?

They break or you put them to the sword. All of them if necessary.

But you are correct, if the Israelis limit their savagery, then they cannot end it. They need to go Roman and end this once and for all. It is past time.

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Yep

Nuke them until they glow, shoot survivors in the dark.

Palestinians openly cheered 9/11 but you have dummies on this board in the USA feeling sorry for them? clown world

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Israel should not be held accountable for Hamas starving the people of Gaza. The problem is that much of the world thinks Palestinians' propensity for violence is driven by poverty or oppression, but these Palestinans are just hateful, lawless, and perverted barbarians. I hope Israel defeats Hamas for good.

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They are just following their 'prophet' Mohammed and practicing true Islam. The 'religion of peace', is really a religion of rape, enslavement, stealing and murder. This is what Mohammed did and no amount of revisionist or censoring of the real history will change it! They are just deluded fellows of their father, the devil.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3550779

Support for Hamas is only 35-40%, eh? That isn't Vermont you're talking about, and we aren't looking at voting polls. It's like the Mob running a city. 35% isn't enough to win a free and fair election in the US, but it's plenty to run a crime organization when they've been in place and supported for generations now. And that means still, given everything that Hamas has done and is doing, there are over 1/3 of the population that support them. That is not a people who are willing to have peace. Just because most aren't willing to do the violence themselves doesn't mean they aren't okay with the ones who are.

Your "give peace with your neighbor who wants all of you dead a chance" riff is what got it this far.

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Support for Hamas is only 35-40%, eh? That isn't Vermont you're talking about, and we aren't looking at voting polls. It's like the Mob running a city. 35% isn't enough to win a free and fair election in the US, but it's plenty to run a crime organization when they've been in place and supported for generations now. And that means still, given everything that Hamas has done and is doing, there are over 1/3 of the population that support them. That is not a people who are willing to have peace. Just because most aren't willing to do the violence themselves doesn't mean they aren't okay with the ones who are.

Your "give peace with your neighbor who wants all of you dead a chance" riff is what got it this far.

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For comparison, the Nazis got 33% of the vote in November 1932, and 44% in March 1933 (the last election before other parties were banned). So not too different.

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Israel should not be held accountable for Hamas starving the people of Gaza. The problem is that much of the world thinks Palestinians' propensity for violence is driven by poverty or oppression, but these Palestinans are just hateful, lawless, and perverted barbarians. I hope Israel defeats Hamas for good.

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Calling Palestinians "hateful, lawless, perverted barbarians"? Man, that's not an argument - it's a tantrum. You're buying the same tired propaganda that paints an entire people as subhuman to justify whatever happens to them. That's not just wrong; it's dangerous.

Hamas is starving Gazans, sure - they steal aid, hoard supplies, and use civilians as shields. They're scum. But Israel's blockade, which throttles food, medicine, and fuel, isn't exactly handing out hugs. Oxfam and the UN reported in 2024 that Gaza's on the brink of famine - not because of Hamas alone, but because aid's being choked off. Both sides are culpable and pretending Israel's hands are clean is just dodging reality.

And this "they're just violent savages" nonsense? PCPSR polls show 60% of Gazans want a two-state solution, and Hamas support's down to 35%. People aren't born hating - they're made that way by decades of war, occupation, and despair. You want Hamas gone for good? Stop fueling the conditions that keep them in power. Bombing civilians and calling them barbarians doesn't defeat terror - it creates it. Learn from Iraq, where you served: endless war didn't fix anything. Demand a smarter path.

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LOL

Oh...you're being serious?!

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Yeah, I'm dead serious, and your "LOL" dodge just proves you've got nothing to say. Calling an entire population "barbarians" and cheering for their annihilation isn't an argument - it's a temper tantrum dressed up as tough talk. You're swallowing the same lazy propaganda that dehumanizes millions to justify endless war.

PCPSR polls show 60% of Gazans want a two-state solution, and Hamas support is down to 35%. That's not a people itching for genocide - it's a people trapped between a terrorist regime and a blockade that's starving them. Oxfam is screaming about famine, and you're giggling like it's a meme. You want Hamas gone? Stop cheering policies that keep them in power by making life hell for civilians. Bombing kids doesn't break the cycle - it fuels it. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya - seen that movie? It ends in chaos. Demand a real strategy, not just "nuke 'em" edgelord nonsense.

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Support for Hamas is only 35-40%, eh? That isn't Vermont you're talking about, and we aren't looking at voting polls. It's like the Mob running a city. 35% isn't enough to win a free and fair election in the US, but it's plenty to run a crime organization when they've been in place and supported for generations now. And that means still, given everything that Hamas has done and is doing, there are over 1/3 of the population that support them. That is not a people who are willing to have peace. Just because most aren't willing to do the violence themselves doesn't mean they aren't okay with the ones who are.

Your "give peace with your neighbor who wants all of you dead a chance" riff is what got it this far.

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Your mob analogy is cute, but it's half-baked. Yes, 35-40% Hamas support is high for a terrorist group - nobody's denying that they're a cancer. But acting like that makes all Gazans a lost cause is just lazy thinking. That's not a voting bloc in a vacuum; it's a population under siege, with no elections since 2006, half of them kids who didn't vote for anyone. Hamas keeps power through fear, guns, and desperation, not some universal Palestinian death wish.

Your "peace got us here" jab is nonsense. Decades of occupation, blockades, and bombing campaigns didn't exactly plant olive trees. They've fueled Hamas by giving them a recruiting pitch: "See, Israel wants you dead." And you're playing right into it by saying Gazans are just violence-hungry thugs. 60% want a two-state solution. That's not a people rejecting peace - that's a people screaming for a way out.

You want to kneecap Hamas? Stop pretending military obliteration of Palestinians is the only path. It's been 20 months, and they're still here. Push controlled aid to starve their propaganda, back elections to replace them, and force regional players like Qatar to cut their cash. My plan isn't a hippie sing-alongit's about breaking the cycle with real moves. The "just bomb harder" shtick is what's kept this mess going.

It's cute that you think the Israelis have spent the past 20 months trying to obliterate the Palestinians. They haven't. They are making the classic police action over total war mistake the US has engaged in for the past 80 years.

If the Israelis wanted to, they could eliminate them all over a 3-day weekend.

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Egypt and Qatar have dragged Hamas to the table before - 2014, 2021

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That would be such a great point, if only Hamas didnt spend the subsequent years building up tunnels, plannng, and executing the biggest terrorist attack in Israel's history.

A point we should all agree on is the only way the people of Gaza stand a chance is for Hamas to be stripped of power. You think that can be done through diplomacy. I don't. Diplomacy requires some kind of shared values or common ground. We want peace and we have humanitarian concerns. Hamas wants neither. aTmAg thinks they care about their own lives, I don't even think that is true.

To act as if Israel has made no impact on Hamas is completely misleading. It hasnt been 22 months of no progress. I know Israel is famous for a 7 day war, but have you seen how long wars last?

You want a geopolitcal play - pressure and support Egypt to allow refugees out of Gaza. Let the innocents get out with as heavy of vetting and tracking as possible. Start working your rehabilitation efforts and deprogramming right away because that will be damn near impossible task so you better throw everything at it.

Then take off the IDF handcuffs and let them clean the place out.

Involve vetted Palestinians in the rebuild, particularly ones living in Israel that have culturally adapted.

All that sound impossible and astronomically expensive? Probably so.

So we can either do what we have been doing and that is micromanaging unstable ceasefires prolonging the suffering, growing the hate and repeating an endless cycle...or we let one side wipe out the other and grow the f up and accept the horrors of war that go along with that.

You'll like this interview. He says Israel should have stopped the war 6 months ago. Note he doesn't say it will be a longterm solution.

I'm not a supporter of Palestine or anything, and hope Hamas is eradicated permanently. But it's hard to listen to stuff like this and not feel deep sadness.

This a retired green beret that was recruited for the humanitarian aid organization we're funding. It's worth a listen and he seems very sincere and credible.

He outlines all the violations of the Geneva convention, and things he saw and recorded as helping an aid organization that seems very corrupt and incompetent.

Idf reserves firing indiscriminately into crowds at the aid locations trying to get food killing tons of innocents daily.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-anthony-agular

MosesHallEnforcer said:

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I'm not a supporter of Palestine or anything, and hope Hamas is eradicated permanently. But it's hard to listen to stuff like this and not feel deep sadness.

This a retired green beret that was recruited for the humanitarian aid organization we're funding. It's worth a listen and he seems very sincere and credible.

He outlines all the violations of the Geneva convention, and things he saw and recorded as helping an aid organization that seems very corrupt and incompetent.

Idf reserves firing indiscriminately into crowds at the aid locations trying to get food killing tons of innocents daily.

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Nah, it needs to be ended so it never happens again, and I have doubt about this info, not that I care

Listen to the link I posted.

That guy paints a fuller picture of the food distribution problem and acknowledges the problems with the IDF, but explains the problems go well beyond that.

If Hamas cared about their people eating, the population would be well fed.

Instead, they steal the food and sell it. All the aid going in has been funding Hamas, plus they benefit from the starvation propaganda. What a deal for them - they commit war crimes and not only get a free pass, they profit from it.

Agreed, but both things can happen though. Ending hamas without committing atrocities against an innocent population.

Listen to the interview and discern for yourself if you're actually interested in nuance and understanding the truth.

Will do, I'll give it a listen.

The point is that "giving peace a chance" is never going to work with a population that is more than 1/3 supportive of Hamas. I realize that it sure sucks for the other 2/3, but that is an internal problem, not something that can be solved by Israel "planting olive trees". There is a deep rooted problem in their culture, which is perpetuated by their current situation, but is not going to go away by ignoring it. It is not Israels, or anyone else's, job to fix another culture for them when they can't get along with anyone and they destroy their own future. Some cultures (not saying people, cultures) need to die because they are destructive. Trying to save it doesn't help anyone and is just enabling a death culture.

When there is that level of tolerance destructive behavior in their own neighborhoods, in their own culture, there is nothing anyone outside of it can do to fix it. When it is so destructive that it tries to destroy others, it needs to suffer the consequences of it so that it is either changed, or goes away completely. It looks like they haven't gone far enough yet to change internally, so the process needs to keep going.

Tom Fox said:

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It's cute that you think the Israelis have spent the past 20 months trying to obliterate the Palestinians. They haven't. They are making the classic police action over total war mistake the US has engaged in for the past 80 years.

If the Israelis wanted to, they could eliminate them all over a 3-day weekend.

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What's cute is thinking that Israel is holding back out of some noble restraint when they've leveled entire neighborhoods and pushed Gaza to the brink of famine. Civilian deaths are over half the toll, with kids and women hit hardest. That's not a "police action" - it's a sledgehammer approach that's failing to kill Hamas but succeeding in killing hope.

You're right, Israel could go full genocide in a weekend. Congrats on the edgelord fantasy. But if you think wiping out millions would end the conflict and not ignite a regional firestorm, you're daydreaming. Again, look at Iraq and Afghanistan: "total war" didn't break the enemy's will; it created more enemies. Israel has been trying to crush Hamas for 20 months, and they're still here. Why? Because collective punishment doesn't kill terror - it feeds it.

If you want this over, stop cheering for Roman-style slaughter. Demand a strategy that disarms Hamas through pressure (cut Iran's funding, lean on Qatar), gets aid to civilians without arming terrorists, and builds a political path so Gazans have something to live for besides revenge. Anything less is just cosplaying tough while the body count grows.