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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

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You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

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You're bad at this and should just stop.

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Wow, you are a real expert dude. Congrats.

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Ok, fine, get them all out of your system. We have "genocide", "Open air prison", "starving civilians"... any other random bumper sticker propaganda you wanna throw in for good measure? Let's not draw this out.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Those "innocent" civilians ELECTED Hamas and continue to support them. You should go look at all the celebration videos made by those "innocent" civilians regarding Oct 7th. Hamas is the gov't of Gaza. They should release the hostages and surrender if they give a damn about the "innocent" Gazans.

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

Phatbob said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Phatbob said:

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Right... you know, if Israel was actually targeting innocent civilians, they have easier ways to do that. It amazes me how people will buy that Israel is simultaneously devious, genocidal and also crazy inefficient at doing so.

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Huh? What is easier that dropping bombs and starvation? They have been crazy efficient at killing people.

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if things are so bad in Gaza...

why doesn't Hamas RELEASE THEIR HOSTAGES AND END THIS?

not a single terrorist supporter will ever answer that basic question.

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Why do innocent civilians deserve to be killed because of Hamas? Not a single genocide supporter will ever answer this basic question.

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Hamas is to blame for that - they're committing war crimes by using the civilians as shields.

And the civilians KNOW that Hamas is there, and yet they don't GTFO, so maybe they're being complicit?

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You know they literally cannot leave? Gaza is an open air prison.

They cannot GTFO.

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You're bad at this and should just stop.

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Wow, you are a real expert dude. Congrats.

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Ok, fine, get them all out of your system. We have "genocide", "Open air prison", "starving civilians"... any other random bumper sticker propaganda you wanna throw in for good measure? Let's not draw this out.

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How is it propaganda if it is corroborated by numerous western governments? Governments that are allies of the USA?

The only people corroborating your version of events are the Israeli government. Even quacks like Marjorie taylor green are calling it a famine

He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

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He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

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Glad he came to the correct conclusion. It was an Israeli attack. I am old enough to remember a lot of lies our government has told too.

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.

BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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I wasn't.

I was pointing out that it easily could have been Hamas because the article was nothing but anti-Israel propaganda.

I notice you didn't answer why the article didn't mention terrorists being killed, though...

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He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

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This...

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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He was questioning it, not denying it. Some of us are old enough to remember the Israeli hospital bombing that killed 500 that was actually an islamic jihad rocket misfire that landed in the parking lot, so give us a break if we're a little skeptical of every little story about how evil and terrible the Israelis are.

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Glad he came to the correct conclusion. It was an Israeli attack. I am old enough to remember a lot of lies our government has told too.

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It appears it was an Israeli attack on terrorists.

You keep forgetting that last part.

Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.

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Israel has effectively barred most foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip since the escalation of the conflict in October 2023. While not an outright ban, Israel has imposed stringent restrictions, allowing only a limited number of journalists to enter under strict supervision by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). These journalists are typically embedded with the military, with their movements and reporting closely monitored. The IDF reviews all footage before it can be broadcast, and journalists are often prohibited from conducting independent interviews or reporting freely. It seems like any journalists in there not following these IDF rules accidentally get blown up by Israel pretty regularly

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.

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Israel has effectively barred most foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip since the escalation of the conflict in October 2023. While not an outright ban, Israel has imposed stringent restrictions, allowing only a limited number of journalists to enter under strict supervision by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). These journalists are typically embedded with the military, with their movements and reporting closely monitored. The IDF reviews all footage before it can be broadcast, and journalists are often prohibited from conducting independent interviews or reporting freely. It seems like any journalists in there not following these IDF rules accidentally get blown up by Israel pretty regularly

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So you're saying the "journalists" that Israel is "targeting", using your words... are actually barred from being there?

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Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.

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Israel has effectively barred most foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip since the escalation of the conflict in October 2023. While not an outright ban, Israel has imposed stringent restrictions, allowing only a limited number of journalists to enter under strict supervision by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). These journalists are typically embedded with the military, with their movements and reporting closely monitored. The IDF reviews all footage before it can be broadcast, and journalists are often prohibited from conducting independent interviews or reporting freely. It seems like any journalists in there not following these IDF rules accidentally get blown up by Israel pretty regularly

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So you're saying the "journalists" that Israel is "targeting", using your words... are actually barred from being there?

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I am saying when you are aware of these facts, its hard to really trust anything coming out of the Israeli side.

No, there are actual consequences to concepts. You can't come up with conspiracy theories and reasons why "Israel Bad" and then ignore the actual consequences of how those conspiracy theories would actually bear out in realtime.

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No, there are actual consequences to concepts. You can't come up with conspiracy theories and reasons why "Israel Bad" and then ignore the actual consequences of how those conspiracy theories would actually bear out in realtime.

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I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. What I am trying to say is that Israel does not allow independent journalists to report from the strip. And when independent journalists operate in the strip- they get accidentally blown up in second strikes on hospitals. Take that however you'd like.

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The first story to come out is always propaganda, and given the language in it, it is obvious that this is. The correction, the actual truth behind it, usually comes out later, but after those who are willing to eat it up have already done so. This happens every single time, but rather than be skeptical of the same playbook that turns out to be lies, it gets consumed as if history never happened.

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That's absolutely not accurate. There is a video of the attack -- filmed by an Israeli no less. Are you claiming the video is a deep fake or something? Israel has apologized, so the event clearly took place.

I am skeptical. Very skeptical. Why don't you trying being skeptical of Israel? They are probably the world's best at pumping out the propaganda.

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The video is right out in front of them and they still can't believe it and instead obfuscate per usual.

Israel has been doing this since the start of the war (targeting innocent civilians). The only reason they even said something is because it was on video and is undeniable. If there was no video, they would have just said they were bringing in weapons or some other BS and the usual people would just fall over and believe it.

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The number of "innocent civilians" in Gaza is probably around 15%. And the Hamas will either kill that 15% or forces them into the front to be killed and used as fodder. This is their way!

This is normal protocals for any nation that is in at war with an enemy who seeks their total destruction.

Israel is not clean, war is not clean, but they are fighting a feral people whose whole existense is built around killing Israeli's this is the truth,

Billions and Billions pumped into Gaza, and where did it go? Tunnels, rockets, guns, and yes they kill those who oppose them.

They are not ashamed to use kids and woman as shield and for propaganda purposes and that any one is impacted by this, actually feeds the carnage.

If it did not work, they would stop it! Fools, absolute fools

Hamas and Muslims aren't the only residents of Gaza. Christians have been there for a hot minute.

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Hamas and Muslims aren't the only residents of Gaza. Christians have been there for a hot minute.

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And that is accurate it has been very hot for them I know that. Very few Christians in Gaza now. The ones that are there are there for propaganda purposes.

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Hamas and Muslims aren't the only residents of Gaza. Christians have been there for a hot minute.

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And?

Keyno said:

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BlackGold said:

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.

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Israel has effectively barred most foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip since the escalation of the conflict in October 2023. While not an outright ban, Israel has imposed stringent restrictions, allowing only a limited number of journalists to enter under strict supervision by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). These journalists are typically embedded with the military, with their movements and reporting closely monitored. The IDF reviews all footage before it can be broadcast, and journalists are often prohibited from conducting independent interviews or reporting freely. It seems like any journalists in there not following these IDF rules accidentally get blown up by Israel pretty regularly

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That's because they're not really journalists - they're either PR agents for Hamas or actually Hamas themselves...

The palestians should surrender and turn over hamas leadership along with the hostages. The war is over.

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The palestians should surrender and turn over hamas leadership along with the hostages. The war is over.

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I heard a great quote awhile ago...



If the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be no more war.

If the Israelis put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel.

The U.N.’s Gaza aid channel is plagued by near-ubiquitous looting of food aid. But UNICEF has successfully delivered 380 tons of food in the last two weeks, while WFP and WCK have delivered none. The apparent key to UNICEF’s success? Hiring security. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/i0JXlywt8x

— Gabriel Epstein (@GabrielEpsteinX) August 26, 2025

WFP’s explicit policy is for drivers to stop and allow looting once it becomes risky to maneuver. It has also rejected security coordination with the IDF, and has not hired private security. The result: 99.6% of WFP food aid looted post-July 1. https://t.co/Ewfwn2UQJq

— Gabriel Epstein (@GabrielEpsteinX) August 26, 2025

The total food interceptions by weight for the WFP is appalling: nearly 48,000 tons intercepted since May 2025.https://t.co/xGP3YlAPYX pic.twitter.com/HereFvuGkZ

— Hamas Delenda Est (@OverpaidA) August 26, 2025

Considering the Christian population is less than 1% in Gaza (and has been dwindling for some time even before October 7 2023), what's your point? Christian populations in Muslim majority countries in the Middle East have been steadily declining. You know whose hasn't?

Israel

The only people starving gazans are gazans

Theres plenty of videos on social media showing full shops. Theres massive inflation so no one can buy the stuff.


But, the shops are full of stolen aid.

All the evidence of Gazans' self-imposed misery does nothing but piss off the Palestinian supporters because you are robbing them of their chance at righteous indignation.

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Phatbob said:

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BlackGold said:

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So why would Bibi apologize?

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Because it's better PR?

BTW, maybe it was an Israeli bomb.

Except it killed 6 terrorists who were committing war crimes by using innocent civilians to shield them.

Hamas should stop committing those war crimes...

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Ah so it was an Israeli strike. Ok. Glad we finally got there.

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You're missing the point. The history of the coverage of this conflict is full of stories like this one that condemn Israel, when it turns out it wasn't even an Israeli bomb doing the exploding. And you still don't have enough skepticism to think that maybe you are on the "Covid is going to kill us" side of your own example from earlier.

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I am not missing the point. He was denying that it was an Israeli attack. It was.

As for your last point, I have thought about that, but only time will tell and history will be the judge. Ever since Covid, I will never, ever, take anything any government says at face value, ever! I will always do my own research and draw my own conclusions. I don't trust our government, so I sure as hell am not going to trust Israel's.

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Yeah, that is pretty obvious....

But there is a difference between being skeptical of Israel and immediately swallowing the opposing view. It is demonstrable that absolutely everything coming out of the Palestinian side is straight propaganda. Is the Israeli side at least partially propaganda? Probably. But to immediately take the side of absolute 100% propaganda in order to oppose the ~maybe~ propaganda doesn't make any sense either.

Frankly, at the bare minimum, Israel is the better option between the 2 sides, and that isn't even close.

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Israel has effectively barred most foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip since the escalation of the conflict in October 2023. While not an outright ban, Israel has imposed stringent restrictions, allowing only a limited number of journalists to enter under strict supervision by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). These journalists are typically embedded with the military, with their movements and reporting closely monitored. The IDF reviews all footage before it can be broadcast, and journalists are often prohibited from conducting independent interviews or reporting freely. It seems like any journalists in there not following these IDF rules accidentally get blown up by Israel pretty regularly

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Calling it "the escalation of the conflict" is a strange way to whitewash Hamas' massive unprovoked terrorist attacks on October 7 that killed 1000+ civilians.

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The U.N.’s Gaza aid channel is plagued by near-ubiquitous looting of food aid. But UNICEF has successfully delivered 380 tons of food in the last two weeks, while WFP and WCK have delivered none. The apparent key to UNICEF’s success? Hiring security. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/i0JXlywt8x

— Gabriel Epstein (@GabrielEpsteinX) August 26, 2025

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You are assuming those other groups are actually interested in keeping Hamas from getting their food. I am not sure that assumption is valid in all cases.

There are still 7 American citizens held by Hamas. They were supposed to be released for the initial cease fire.

4 of the 7 are believed to be dead, so the bodies have not been returned.

Why should the US give aid when US citizens are still held hostage?

I don't know why we don't have flights of B-52s going over daily performing Vietnam like Arc-Light raids until the Americans are released.

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Why should the US give aid when US citizens are still held hostage?

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Honest, frank answer? Endorphins.

In a normal world, the outside condemnation and pressure would have cracked them long ago.

But the Palestinian cheerleaders fuel Hamas' resolve. So, essentially they are being held for so long because of the endorphin rush it gives a group of people about feeling superior.