******* Official Cowboys Off-Season Thread 2025 *******

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jr15aggie
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gigem1223 said:

Crazy that Will Johnson is still on the board. Would hate to see him go to Washington here


Guy looks a little slow on tape and then refuses to run a 40. Also heard there is concern about some issues with his hips (injury related)
Vince Blake
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Mike Green going to fall to the Eagles in typical Eagles fashion?
shack009
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jr15aggie said:

gigem1223 said:

Crazy that Will Johnson is still on the board. Would hate to see him go to Washington here


Guy looks a little slow on tape and then refuses to run a 40. Also heard there is concern about some issues with his hips (injury related)


Johnson has had a shoulder, toe, and hamstring. The ND guy has the hip issues
Macarthur
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With the DL in the NFC East, I have no issue w getting a man child at guard. Booker is a beast.
cman1494
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The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…
TyHolden
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cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…
top 3 org in the business
shack009
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cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
TyHolden
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shack009 said:

cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
What did they give up? He's top 15-20 pick. Great value pick.
shack009
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TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
What did they give up? He's top 15-20 pick. Great value pick.


A 5th I think. But they were getting Campbell anyways. Chiefs have 3 solid LBs and needed OL help.
TyHolden
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Unfortunately, I think the Eagles had the best draft in the East. They just have value fall into them. Similar to the Steelers.
TyHolden
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shack009 said:

TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
What did they give up? He's top 15-20 pick. Great value pick.


A 5th I think. But they were getting Campbell anyways. Chiefs have 3 solid LBs and needed OL help.
You don't think somebody else called the Shefs saying they needed that spot? It's like poker. No idea.
jr15aggie
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OK boys. In good shape for tomorrow. Only 2 RBs off the board which was best case scenario. And only 2 WR (3 if you consider Hunter) off the board as well.

We gotta pray as many fall as possible. I bet Henderson is off the board pretty quick. Not sure if Dallas loves Johnson like I do, but maybe Judkins. And maybe Luther Burden is a name to watch.

If not WR or RB, gotta think CB is in play too.
shack009
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TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
What did they give up? He's top 15-20 pick. Great value pick.


A 5th I think. But they were getting Campbell anyways. Chiefs have 3 solid LBs and needed OL help.
You don't think somebody else called the Shefs saying they needed that spot? It's like poker. No idea.


You can tell nobody did because the chiefs would have accepted the offer. Anybody behind the eagles moving back up in to the first is giving more value than the 164th pick. The chiefs wouldn't accept any offer for less to move farther back.

I'd much rather the eagles have taken Campbell than Simmons there.
TyHolden
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shack009 said:

TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
What did they give up? He's top 15-20 pick. Great value pick.


A 5th I think. But they were getting Campbell anyways. Chiefs have 3 solid LBs and needed OL help.
You don't think somebody else called the Shefs saying they needed that spot? It's like poker. No idea.


You can tell nobody did because the chiefs would have accepted the offer. Anybody behind the eagles moving back up in to the first is giving more value than the 164th pick. The chiefs wouldn't accept any offer for less to move farther back.

I'd much rather the eagles have taken Campbell than Simmons there.
What? How do you know nobody else made an offer? Everybody is always looking for a chance to get better. They don't just pick and go to sleep. It's 7 rounds. A great organization would be looking at each and every pick and looking for value. If your org is too lazy, AI will do it for you.
Vince Blake
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Would anyone have preferred Nolen over Booker?
shack009
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TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

TyHolden said:

shack009 said:

cman1494 said:

The Eagles just always have talent fall into their lap…


They traded up 1 spot to draft a LB. Campbell is a good player but that's just bad business.
What did they give up? He's top 15-20 pick. Great value pick.


A 5th I think. But they were getting Campbell anyways. Chiefs have 3 solid LBs and needed OL help.
You don't think somebody else called the Shefs saying they needed that spot? It's like poker. No idea.


You can tell nobody did because the chiefs would have accepted the offer. Anybody behind the eagles moving back up in to the first is giving more value than the 164th pick. The chiefs wouldn't accept any offer for less to move farther back.

I'd much rather the eagles have taken Campbell than Simmons there.
What? How do you know nobody else made an offer? Everybody is always looking for a chance to get better. They don't just pick and go to sleep. It's 7 rounds. A great organization would be looking at each and every pick and looking for value. If your org is too lazy, AI will do it for you.


I suppose I don't know for certain, but if there was a better offer than one 5th rounder wouldn't the Chiefs have taken it? Also, I don't think there is going to be any real offer for a LB (probably the least valued position in the sport now) who has real injury problems. And if there is then the Eagles let it happen.

It's just not great value to give up bites at the apple for a LB, especially one that has injury issues.
DannyDuberstein
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Wouldn't have hated Nolen there. He was wrecking shop inside every time I watched OM play this year. Very disruptive and they could really use that
jr15aggie
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Vince Blake said:

Would anyone have preferred Nolen over Booker?



I think I prefer Booker in terms of plug and play impact and growth potential. But I would have understood Nolan.


At the end of the day I think this is how I feel .. there were guys available in free agency that could have helped us at both spots and yet we still have 35 million in cap space just sitting around. Would have been really nice if we would have taken care of a few spots in free agency and maybe we could have taken Egbuka at 12.
TyHolden
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When in doubt, just draft interior lineman. The Steelers (and now Eagles) have been doing it with success for a long time now.
Macarthur
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Rumors are, Breece Hall is available from the jets. Would you give a 5th or 6th for Hall?

Would free you up a bit in the 2nd and 3rd.
jr15aggie
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Macarthur said:

Rumors are, Breece Hall is available from the jets. Would you give a 5th or 6th for Hall?

Would free you up a bit in the 2nd and 3rd.


Maybe. He's gonna need a new deal soon so his cheap years are gone. I would, at the very least, wait until day 2 is done.

If we get wiped out at RB going into day 3 I suppose it's worth considering.
PatAg
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im surprised Will Johnson is still available, I think hes a day 1 starter on most teams
cman1494
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His medicals must be BAD for no one to have taken him. Bet someone takes a flier early in the 2nd though
PatAg
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Pretty good quote from our 1st round pick
BMX Bandit
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I'd have preferred Nolen, but Booker is still a great pick.
Vince Blake
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Macarthur said:

Rumors are, Breece Hall is available from the jets. Would you give a 5th or 6th for Hall?

Would free you up a bit in the 2nd and 3rd.


I would let today play out but that could be a strong possibility.

I think they go defense in the second. Either corner (Johnson, Amos, Revel, Morrison) or the linebacker Schwesinger.
Macarthur
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Vince Blake said:

Macarthur said:

Rumors are, Breece Hall is available from the jets. Would you give a 5th or 6th for Hall?

Would free you up a bit in the 2nd and 3rd.


I would let today play out but that could be a strong possibility.

I think they go defense in the second. Either corner (Johnson, Amos, Revel, Morrison) or the linebacker Schwesinger.


I could see defense too but I think there might be a DT they like.
Tksymm7
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Just a few thoughts on the pick last night and what could be coming down the pike:

I don't hate Booker at all, I actually really like him and think he's a football playing dude who is an incredible leader, strong, technical and nasty on the inside. Not a great athlete, but he did it at the highest level against the best of the best for three years. Plug and play guard who's got a really high floor.

I also don't even hate taking him at 12. He was the next best offensive lineman on the board imo after Campbell, Membou and Banks. I think Booker might be better Banks just from a plug and play production standpoint, but Banks plays tackle and might have a higher ceiling.

My issue with the pick is more overall strategy than individual player. The Cowboys have now spent three 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick on offensive lineman in the past four years. They have also drafted quite a few guys later in the draft and signed free agents on the line. That is a TON of capital spent on one unit, and while that unit is very important in this league, it has led to the neglect in other areas of the team. Did we really need to spend another first round pick on an offensive lineman when we saw pretty solid play from a few "backups" last season? I believe at some point you have to trust your coaching staff to develop guys into starting caliber players so you can invest in other areas of your team. People think that when guys are drafted they are more or less finished products, but that's just not true. For a vast majority of guys coming out of college they still have a significant amount of development to do, and I would've preferred to trust the staff to develop a few lineman and use our pick on another area of the team (I think they would've gone Mykel Williams if the Niners didn't take him before us).
TREX01
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Some guys you can only develop so much. Do guys continue to improve once they get to the league? Absolutely. Can the best OL coach in the world turn Bryce Foster into an All Pro? Unlikely. The belief that anyone can be coached up to a certain level is nonsense. This was a good pick. The "backups" dont have the ceiling of this kid. We haven't had a solid run game in quite some time. For us to dictate our style of play we have to be able to control the ball and keep our defense from playing 80% of the snaps.
Tksymm7
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I hear you, and agree that there is only so much development that can happen for certain players, but just take the Eagles this past year for example. They have Lane Johnson (1st round pick and future HOFer), Landon Dickerson (2nd round pick), Cam Jurgens (2nd round pick), Mekhi Becton (free agent), and Jordan Mailata (7th round pick. They are going to do the same thing at RG this upcoming year as well. And while you might say "well they've still spent significant draft capital at that position" they also still haven't spent three 1st round picks in four years on the o line. All I am saying is that I don't think you have spend that significant of a level of draft capital to have a good o line.
jr15aggie
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I think my issue is that we could have, I dunno, actually spent some cap money on a starting quality OG this off-season. As it was just said, how many day 1 / 2 picks are we gonna spend on Oline?

I do like the pick, but we do not have a #1 RB (or #2 either) or a #2 WR on this team. I have serious doubts they will be able to get both at this point.
jr15aggie
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The good news is that we drafted as close to a "can't miss" prospect as we could. He's a stud at his spot and he LOVES the game. He's going to be a good (with the potential to be great) player for us.

Despite all the needs, we are improving the team if we just keep grabbing players like him.
Tksymm7
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I think the Breece Hall to the Cowboys trade has some real legs, and I think that would be a great trade. Probably wouldn't cost a ton, and I think he's a guy who could bounce back in a major way from one of the worst organizations in the NFL.
Vince Blake
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KatyAggie2000
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Seeing commentary where we give up a 5th to trade up in Round 2 to grab Luther Burden. Also seeing commentary where we trade up in the 3rd and take RJ Harvey, UCF RB (led the Big 12 in rushing last year). I guess the latter could depend on any Breece Hall noise coming to fruition.
 
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