******* Official Cowboys Off-Season Thread 2025 *******

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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:43p, 4/9/25
DannyDuberstein said:
It has been 0 days since Overshown's last injury
Don't do that! Guy should have been an emerging All-Pro 3rd year LB. One of the best players we've drafted in recent years and we've seen him for exactly 13 games.

Here's to Number 0 making a full recovery.
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4:07p, 4/10/25
I'm sure he'll make a full recovery but not sure he won't get injured again. Need to draft another linebacker for insurance and depth.
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5:28p, 4/10/25
Yep, another LB is needed for sure. Also need Liufau to make a big 2nd year jump. He definitely showed promise.
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10:10a, 4/14/25
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In reply to TyHolden • 10:40a, 4/14/25
That's absolutely disgusting! Some poor girl burned to death in her car because this dude got completely trashed one night and then drove his sports car like a madman.

That was, what, 5 years ago.... what an absolute failure of our justice system.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 12:26p, 4/14/25
jr15aggie said:
That's absolutely disgusting! Some poor girl burned to death in her car because this dude got completely trashed one night and then drove his sports car like a madman.

That was, what, 5 years ago.... what an absolute failure of our justice system.

shocked?
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In reply to TyHolden • 1:25p, 4/14/25
TyHolden said:
jr15aggie said:
That's absolutely disgusting! Some poor girl burned to death in her car because this dude got completely trashed one night and then drove his sports car like a madman.

That was, what, 5 years ago.... what an absolute failure of our justice system.

shocked?
Had it happened in Houston or LA he would not have even served a day in jail. That said I have to think he has a lot of regret and will walk the straight and narrow from here on out, at least I hope.
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4:10p, 4/15/25
Field Yates and Kiper did a mock draft where they alternated picks.

Yates had the Cowboys taking Golden at 12 (Tet fell to 25).

Kiper picked Shavon Revel in the 2nd (Benjamin Morrison still on the board and only RBs taken to this point are Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson) then Dylan Sampson in round 3 (only Judkins and Johnson have been drafted at RB since Round 2).

I hope these picks weren't based on any sort of sourcing because I would be pretty disappointed with this draft based on who was available. I'm not a giant Sampson fan and definitely not in the 3rd round.
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4:17p, 4/15/25
Drafting Golden over McMillan feels like a mistake. Speed kills but Golden seems like a one trick pony.
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In reply to VP at Pierce and Pierce • 4:31p, 4/15/25
there is a weird internet conspiracy rumor that Golden's Combine 40 time was the result of human error and he's not quite THAT fast.
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4:38p, 4/15/25
The McMillan hate/disdain/dismissal by some of these mock drafters or so called experts is CRAZY.
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5:51p, 4/15/25
Cowboys need to get some swagger back. Trade up and draft Jeanty. Or trade for Achane. How about this, say fk it and do both.
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In reply to shack009 • 5:59p, 4/15/25
Was listening to Broaddus this past weekend and he was musing that the Cowboys might like Golden better because they feel they already have the big body receiver in Mingo.

I like Shavon Revel. Great story. Dude was working overnights at an Amazon fulfillment center. Gets off at 4AM and goes to an ECU tryout at 6AM. Before his final year, he is getting blown up with offers and money to go to bigger programs. Turns them all down and stays loyal to East Carolina. Not many guys like that left.
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In reply to Vince Blake • 6:08p, 4/15/25
If the cowboys hold that position regarding Tet vs Golden that would be truly idiotic lol.

And I have nothing against Revel, but Morrison was considered a top 10 player coming in to this season. If you can get him in the 2nd round because he was injured then you should be ecstatic and have Drew Pearson run to the podium to start doing his yelling bit.
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In reply to shack009 • 6:26p, 4/15/25
Yeah I truly just do not believe Golden or any other WR is better than McMillan. You watch him on Saturdays and I think it's obvious that he's the guy at receiver in this draft. He's just a football player, and he makes plays time and time again. And 4.47-5.52 is plenty fast in the NFL if you have ball skills, route running and hands like he does. And I say this not thinking Golden is bad, I just do not want to spend the 12th pick on a guy that was nowhere near the first round prior to this year, and had a solid season (not elite), and then runs a fast 40 and now he's the 12th pick in the draft.

On Morrison, isn't there serious questions on his speed? Like not like "oh he's a 4.44 guy and I wish he was 4.39" but like "could he run a 4.6?"
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In reply to Tksymm7 • 6:36p, 4/15/25
Not sure about that. I think there are concerns about the nature of the hip injury (that could be saying the same thing you're saying, just in a different way), which is why he'll be there in the second round. But he was so elite in coverage his first 2 years that you bet on the upside.

Not even saying he'd be my pick there in a vacuum. But if the Cowboys decide to go corner then I'd love the high upside play.
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6:48p, 4/15/25
Cowboys should try to drop back ~5 spots and try to get another second or third out of it. Maybe somebody will jump up for Shadeur if he's still there. Then grab either Golden or McMillan.

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8:25p, 4/15/25
No Golden.

Get the best lineman available in the first two rounds. O or D.
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In reply to VP at Pierce and Pierce • 10:23p, 4/15/25
VP at Pierce and Pierce said:
Drafting Golden over McMillan feels like a mistake. Speed kills but Golden seems like a one trick pony.


Tall finesse receivers have massive, almost unmatched bust potential in the NFL.
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In reply to Tksymm7 • 10:28p, 4/15/25
Tksymm7 said:
Yeah I truly just do not believe Golden or any other WR is better than McMillan. You watch him on Saturdays and I think it's obvious that he's the guy at receiver in this draft. He's just a football player, and he makes plays time and time again. And 4.47-5.52 is plenty fast in the NFL if you have ball skills, route running and hands like he does. And I say this not thinking Golden is bad, I just do not want to spend the 12th pick on a guy that was nowhere near the first round prior to this year, and had a solid season (not elite), and then runs a fast 40 and now he's the 12th pick in the draft.

On Morrison, isn't there serious questions on his speed? Like not like "oh he's a 4.44 guy and I wish he was 4.39" but like "could he run a 4.6?"


Tall receivers have to be physical to succeed in the NFL because they struggle getting open. Most NFL DBs can run their routes for them and often beat them to the spot. It's not a matter of speed, it's just physics. Their center of gravity and stride puts them at a disadvantage against the twitchiest position in all of sports. So unless you're just an alien athletically like Moss was (who was more physical than he gets credit for) you have to be able to dominate them physically either at the LOS or once the ball gets to you.

McMillan just doesn't push college DBs around like a first round receiver of his size should. He's gonna frustrate the hell out of NFL QBs.
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7:32a, 4/16/25
I felt like Courtland Sutton would be a huge bust. Watching his college film it looked like the guy was constantly running on a soggy field. Felt like he'd never get open in the NFL.

Turns out that wasn't the case. I haven't watched the guy but his stats say he's a pretty good WR. Tet will be just fine if he puts in the work.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 8:22a, 4/16/25
Infection_Ag11 said:
Tksymm7 said:
Yeah I truly just do not believe Golden or any other WR is better than McMillan. You watch him on Saturdays and I think it's obvious that he's the guy at receiver in this draft. He's just a football player, and he makes plays time and time again. And 4.47-5.52 is plenty fast in the NFL if you have ball skills, route running and hands like he does. And I say this not thinking Golden is bad, I just do not want to spend the 12th pick on a guy that was nowhere near the first round prior to this year, and had a solid season (not elite), and then runs a fast 40 and now he's the 12th pick in the draft.

On Morrison, isn't there serious questions on his speed? Like not like "oh he's a 4.44 guy and I wish he was 4.39" but like "could he run a 4.6?"


Tall receivers have to be physical to succeed in the NFL because they struggle getting open. Most NFL DBs can run their routes for them and often beat them to the spot. It's not a matter of speed, it's just physics. Their center of gravity and stride puts them at a disadvantage against the twitchiest position in all of sports. So unless you're just an alien athletically like Moss was (who was more physical than he gets credit for) you have to be able to dominate them physically either at the LOS or once the ball gets to you.

McMillan just doesn't push college DBs around like a first round receiver of his size should. He's gonna frustrate the hell out of NFL QBs.


You make some good points. McMillan is from a pro style offense and is known to be a polished WR. I like him. I really like Burden but scouts say he isn't very polished and played a simple offense at Missouri. Golden played in a pro style offense too but reminds me a lot of Worthy where they both seem to be more gadget WRs and not true WRs. If there isn't an elite LOS player available I'd risk with McMillan.
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9:00a, 4/16/25
When I say I like McMillan the best, I want to be clear that in a lot of other years, especially recent years, I think he would be a late first round pick because he doesn't have the elite top end speed or for lack of a better term, overall giddy-up (used to sum up a lot of things here), that many of the top half WRs do in a typical draft year. However, considering the context of this draft, I like McMillan the best and think he's getting disrespected. He seems like the prime candidate for the draft process being way too long and people over thinking things.

Does he have flaws and is he a sure fire, bona fide future NFL Pro-Bowler? No, he clearly has things to work on and there are concerns with areas of his game, as Infection_Ag correctly pointed out. But, we (and most if not all teams) aren't drafting him or any of these guys to be a straight up No. 1 WRs, they are drafting them to be No. 2s. We can have the conversation on spending No 12. draft capital on No 2 WRs like that and I would probably side with the "better to just trade back if possible" crowd, but considering a second offensive weapon is this teams biggest need I think McMillan is as good as anyone we have a chance to get in this draft, with upside.
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9:02a, 4/16/25
Gotta keep in mind that a lot of scouts feel (and I tend to agree) that none of these guys are true #1 WRs. There isn't a Jamar Chase, Malik Nabers or Marvin Harrison in this draft.

You are drafting Devonte Smith & Tee Higgins types. And that's fine because #2 WRs are extremely valuable and those guys are getting PAID.

Ideally, you aren't drafting that at #12, but this is not a top heavy draft. If we wanted to get a true STUD in this draft we never should have let Cooper Rush win football games... should have thrown Lance to the wolves, but that's a different conversation.
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9:12a, 4/16/25
It's been asked before, but now that we are ~ 1 week away, how do you feel about RB at #12?

Let's assume all the top guys are gone, including McMillan, and we can't find a trade partner to move back, what are we doing? That's really tough, but I'm coming around to the idea of taking the next best RB. I'm assuming that's Hampton for Dallas.

I don't like it because I don't like Hampton as much as Gibbs who went in a similar spot 2 years ago. BUT... I think we see a run on RBs in the late 1st / early 2nd round. By the time we get to #44 I think the only RBs left are guys with 3rd round grades.


Again, I don't like it... I gotta think there is a O-line or CB prospect that we could take instead... but I also don't hate the idea anymore.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 9:25a, 4/16/25
Absolutely not. Take literally any other position on the board if it's not Jeanty you are drafting in the first round.
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In reply to Tksymm7 • 10:12a, 4/16/25
Tksymm7 said:
Absolutely not. Take literally any other position on the board if it's not Jeanty you are drafting in the first round.

Not arguing, just for the fun of the conversation:

I get it... but who? Doesn't appear to be any plug and play LTs on the board. Some nice OG prospects, but nobody that graded like Martin did coming out of ND years ago. All the CBs prospects have ? with injuries, being too slow, etc.

I'm not really excited about anybody outside of Hunter, Jeanty, Carter & Graham so it will be interesting to see which direction we go. I'm not a huge Hampton fan like I was Gibbs, but I do sorta question which other draft prospect could have the type of impact on this team like he would.
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9:00a, 4/17/25
I think I'm settling in on WR & RB in rounds 1 & 2. At this very moment we do not have a #2 WR and we do not have a #1 or #2 RB on the team.

Feels like the best way to accomplish this is to trade back into the teens. I REALLY like the idea of working with Seattle at 18 (they have two 2nd & 3rd rounders) who needs to come up and get O-line help.

We'll get a fine player in the 1st round either way, but I think we'll need the extra firepower from the trade to move up in the 2nd, possibly into the late 1st. If we go WR in the 1st, I don't think we can sit there at 44 and have (Hampton/Henderson/Johnson) RBs fall to us... we'll have to go up and get them. If we wait I think the only RBs on the board are guys with 3rd round grades and we are going to have to reach. Same goes for WR if we take RB 1st.

PS: I absolutely think we need to take another RB in the 5th or 6th also.
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Vince Blake
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9:48a, 4/18/25
One week out mock using PFF's sim:

1. Matthew Golden, WR, sip - I think McMillan will be gone by 12 and a lot of the draftniks are circling the wagons around this pick. Could be an echo chamber, we'll see.

2. Shavon Revel, CB, East Carolina - Only CB we know about that they brought in on a 30 visit. Bland is set to be a free agent and I believe you have an out on Digg's contract next season. Also Revel is coming off ACL reconstruction surgery done by the Cowboys team physician so he fits the MO of a Cowboys 2nd round pick.

3. Damien Martinez, RB, Miami - he was 80 on PFF's board. I think he's the type of back they will draft first, the bigger bruiser type, and get a change of pace guy like Bhayshul Tuten, Brashard Smith, or Jaydon Blue later on. Martinez is a local kid, went to Lewisville, and just turned 21 in January.

Fun times ahead. Should be an entertaining draft.
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9:52a, 4/18/25
Some team will be wanting to jump up and get a qb. We need to take that and drop back and get another third. One of the WRs will still be there.

And I'd take Dart over Shadeur all day…
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12:59p, 4/18/25
Yep, CB is the other position that could potentially come into play in the 1st or 2nd. Me personally though, I feel better about getting a middle round CB than I do a middle round WR or RB.

At WR there are only a handful of guys in this draft you feel good about walking in an immediately being our #2 guy. Most of the 3rd round and beyond guys are no better than Tolbert & Co. Feels like we either take a WR early or we don't bother taking one at all.
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6:24p, 4/18/25
Fergie got engaged. He's gone. Draft a TE.

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6:28p, 4/18/25
Wasn't she dating Carson Beck like 4 months ago?
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In reply to shack009 • 6:49p, 4/18/25
shack009 said:
Wasn't she dating Carson Beck like 4 months ago?
that was her sister
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8:08p, 4/18/25
She was dating her sister??
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