What a ****ing ass kicking
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The paid thing goes back to the culture. Is it why you're getting your butt kicked? Probably not. Does it speak to a bigger issue? Yes, i believe it does.
As a New Yorker I’m embarrassed by this entire event.
— JT The Brick (@JTTheBrick) September 27, 2025
Couldn’t be any worse. https://t.co/dH8tU0sloh
Stop complaining about the #RyderCup2025 pairings for America.
— JT The Brick (@JTTheBrick) September 27, 2025
Our best golfers earned their way on to the team and got smoked.
They choked!
It’s a team tournament and we have a bunch of individuals.
Leave the wives at home, give back the Rolex watches and stop hanging out in…
I can't decide what I'm rooting for today.
1) USA to play well enough on the front nine to give the Euros a 10 minute "woah that board looks awfully red" pucker moment.
2) An ass kicking so bad that it forces some sort of change in USA culture, team management, how certain players view the event, etc.
1) USA to play well enough on the front nine to give the Euros a 10 minute "woah that board looks awfully red" pucker moment.
2) An ass kicking so bad that it forces some sort of change in USA culture, team management, how certain players view the event, etc.
Honestly I think the second one is what's going to happen and will be better for us in the long run.
#2 for sure. It's time for the US too take this event serious.
The politics of the team selection stuff is standard PGAT goofy pants and a fat ass stiffness. It'll take a generation to get those stooges out of the way.
Keegan WAS billed as the big change to the process. And in the end he chose the same stiff safe political picks when he should have chosen himself and people who want to slit the throat of the European team.
This entire event has been a joke to me. 7am Friday morning Terry Gannon openly asks for a euro commentator to root for his guys on OUR broadcast. The speeches by Keegan and Luke Thursday night showed it. We're somehow just happy to be here. Luke invokes pride and pleads for a seemingly hostile crowd in enemy territory to give em a chance.
No wonder we stand over 10 footers nervously and they stand over em thinking they've got a shot.
Keegan WAS billed as the big change to the process. And in the end he chose the same stiff safe political picks when he should have chosen himself and people who want to slit the throat of the European team.
This entire event has been a joke to me. 7am Friday morning Terry Gannon openly asks for a euro commentator to root for his guys on OUR broadcast. The speeches by Keegan and Luke Thursday night showed it. We're somehow just happy to be here. Luke invokes pride and pleads for a seemingly hostile crowd in enemy territory to give em a chance.
No wonder we stand over 10 footers nervously and they stand over em thinking they've got a shot.
Their guys look like they're playing matches and our guys look like they're playing stroke play.
Maybe the media is making too big of a deal about Ed Molinari and the stat nerd stuff, but I bet it's a huge part of it. The strategy is different in stroke play. It's all about strokes gained. Over the course of four rounds, the safe play is usually the right play. You gain strokes in tiny increments but lose them in big chunks, so even at very elite levels the best thing to do is be a bit conservative and avoid the big number.
Strokes gained is basically irrelevant in match play. It's about HOLES gained. You make the play that is most likely to win you the hole, not the one that's less likely to end up with bogey.
I don't know s### about any of this, but my gut tells me that Ed Molinari has the stats to back all of this up and the Euros are coached up on how to play well in this format. WAY too often our guys seem to be half a club short but in the middle of the green or hitting putts that don't quite get there but take three-putting off the table. Very smart if you're trying to gain .02 strokes on the green this hole and trusting that it'll add up over four rounds. Useless if you're playing a match.
Maybe the media is making too big of a deal about Ed Molinari and the stat nerd stuff, but I bet it's a huge part of it. The strategy is different in stroke play. It's all about strokes gained. Over the course of four rounds, the safe play is usually the right play. You gain strokes in tiny increments but lose them in big chunks, so even at very elite levels the best thing to do is be a bit conservative and avoid the big number.
Strokes gained is basically irrelevant in match play. It's about HOLES gained. You make the play that is most likely to win you the hole, not the one that's less likely to end up with bogey.
I don't know s### about any of this, but my gut tells me that Ed Molinari has the stats to back all of this up and the Euros are coached up on how to play well in this format. WAY too often our guys seem to be half a club short but in the middle of the green or hitting putts that don't quite get there but take three-putting off the table. Very smart if you're trying to gain .02 strokes on the green this hole and trusting that it'll add up over four rounds. Useless if you're playing a match.
Agreed. Our guys aren't playing bad per se, but the Euros are playing great. Hell Bryson and Scottie shot I think -9 over 16 holes yesterday and got beat 3&2.
What do you boys want for breakfast BBQ ?.....OK Chili.
I don't have a huge problem with the team itself. You can nitpick a couple guys but there was no one that was left off that was a head-and-shoulders better option.
The issue was the set up, which inexplicably negated our tee-to-green advantage and made this a putting contest. And then the pairings were curious to say the least. Benching Spaun for Morikawa was a head scratcher. Putting arguably your 2 best players together when you're down by a million makes zero sense. Nothing we have done has made much sense.
Having said that, I don't know that there was some magical formula that changes the outcome. Just getting outclassed.
The issue was the set up, which inexplicably negated our tee-to-green advantage and made this a putting contest. And then the pairings were curious to say the least. Benching Spaun for Morikawa was a head scratcher. Putting arguably your 2 best players together when you're down by a million makes zero sense. Nothing we have done has made much sense.
Having said that, I don't know that there was some magical formula that changes the outcome. Just getting outclassed.
This is thing is a total embarrassment for the US all around. The play on the course, the spectators, the coverage is all awful.
Grok gives us a 3% chance of a comeback.
I think I'll just play golf today rather than giving my time to what will likely be another day of Team USA getting their ass kicked,
I think I'll just play golf today rather than giving my time to what will likely be another day of Team USA getting their ass kicked,
The more I think about it, it's inexplicable that JJ didn't play a single foursome. He was the no. 2 qualifier who seems like he would be a good fit with just about anyone. He's not a Speith who's subject to huge highs and lows (which can be a major liability in this format). Passing him over twice for bunch of guys who've played a lot worse than him for well over a year was ridiculous. Again, doesn't change the outcome but no idea what Keegan is doing.
Agree. You also lean into your hometown hero and hope/expect them to deliver. Not playing Cam Friday morning was a joke.
Bunk Moreland said:
Agree. You also lean into your hometown hero and hope/expect them to deliver. Not playing Cam Friday morning was a joke.
By his choices, Keegan was clearly worried about the rookies in foursomes. Which makes his decision to start the Ryder Cup with foursomes another questionable decision. Start with fourballs and let your rookies ease into it.
With the caveat that there's a 99.999% that it doesn't matter, I feel like the Euros built their singles lineup with "getting to 20" in mind instead of trying to lock in the three points needed to win and then everything else is gravy. By playing for 20, they put their studs in 50/50 matches. It's certainly possible they could dominate early but they've also brought in a scenario (albeit an unlikely one) that USA's studs have themselves a day and go 5-1 in the first six. Things could get much more interesting than they need to be.
I think Europe would have been smart to hedge that scenario and put two of their studs (like Rahm and Fitz) in the back against Griffin and English.
I get the lessons from Brookline too where you don't want to be too conservative early and let the losing team get momentum. But I think there's a middle ground and that they're getting a little greedy by clearly setting up the order to go for 20.
I doubt USA will make them pay but you never know.
I think Europe would have been smart to hedge that scenario and put two of their studs (like Rahm and Fitz) in the back against Griffin and English.
I get the lessons from Brookline too where you don't want to be too conservative early and let the losing team get momentum. But I think there's a middle ground and that they're getting a little greedy by clearly setting up the order to go for 20.
I doubt USA will make them pay but you never know.
They also made a supposedly hard course look really easy and extremely boring. I can't even think of one signature hole in that course. Just one hole after another if elevated greens guarded by deep bunkers.
What do you boys want for breakfast BBQ ?.....OK Chili.
So because Hovland is withdrawing, that match is a tie and both teams get a half point?
That doesn't make much sense to me.
Europe could just withdraw four more of the matches and it's over, they win.
Edit: the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. I know it's a moot point but this is a stupid rule. If you're not gonna count it as a loss for the forfeiting team, how about award neither team a half point for that match? Of the three possible ways to handle it, this is the worst option for us.
That doesn't make much sense to me.
Europe could just withdraw four more of the matches and it's over, they win.
Edit: the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. I know it's a moot point but this is a stupid rule. If you're not gonna count it as a loss for the forfeiting team, how about award neither team a half point for that match? Of the three possible ways to handle it, this is the worst option for us.
Yes, insanely dumb rule.
Ya that makes no sense. It's either a full pint for the USA or no points at all.
What do you boys want for breakfast BBQ ?.....OK Chili.
How many holes have we had a lead in any of the matches. There have been about 270 holes played. I recorded the matches and put on fast forward. Not much red on the screen.
.MAROON said:
Ya that makes no sense. It's either a full pint for the USA or no points at all.
Exactly. What a bad rule.
How would you like to be "the man in the envelope"? You're the one guy the captain doesn't want to play if given the choice.
I guess Harris English was the guy in the envelope? Makes the decision to play him in both foursomes sessions even more confusing if Keegan did have much confidence in him.
JCA1 said:Bunk Moreland said:
Agree. You also lean into your hometown hero and hope/expect them to deliver. Not playing Cam Friday morning was a joke.
By his choices, Keegan was clearly worried about the rookies in foursomes. Which makes his decision to start the Ryder Cup with foursomes another questionable decision. Start with fourballs and let your rookies ease into it.
I think starting the morning with foursomes is more of a timing and afternoon pairings issue. Foursomes is a lot faster than fourball and you can guarantee everyone will be done by the time the afternoon session will start, so you can play anybody you want whenever you want.
Fourball in the morning makes it a quick turnaround and not sure everyone will be done in time.
For the long term, Team USA needs to get whipped so that meaningful change may occur such as getting some of the PGA of America involvement out of the Ryder Cup stuff.
Third day without rain and they're still doing preferred lies?
HeyAbbott said:
For the long term, Team USA needs to get whipped so that meaningful change may occur such as getting some of the PGA of America involvement out of the Ryder Cup stuff.
They are just going to say the Euros just played better and then try the same things in 2027.
Hell yeah Cam!
aggiegolfer2012 said:JCA1 said:Bunk Moreland said:
Agree. You also lean into your hometown hero and hope/expect them to deliver. Not playing Cam Friday morning was a joke.
By his choices, Keegan was clearly worried about the rookies in foursomes. Which makes his decision to start the Ryder Cup with foursomes another questionable decision. Start with fourballs and let your rookies ease into it.
I think starting the morning with foursomes is more of a timing and afternoon pairings issue. Foursomes is a lot faster than fourball and you can guarantee everyone will be done by the time the afternoon session will start, so you can play anybody you want whenever you want.
Fourball in the morning makes it a quick turnaround and not sure everyone will be done in time.
I didn't get to watch. Wasn't four ball the morning session on Saturday? Don't they just alternate the order on Friday and Saturday?
If you're worried about how the rookies will respond (and several of your "veterans" haven't played great in months), I think you gotta start with four ball to find out how people like JJ and Cam are going to respond to the moment.
No. We did foursome - fourball both days.
I sure miss Bryson on the Tour. He's just so much fun to watch.
and here we go with this crap
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