I somewhat fault the mods on this thread for not doing their job and cleaning up misinformation

I think they'd tolerate whatever Trump tells them is in the strategic interests of the USA to be honest. Most of them would flip on a dime if Trump decides Putin is being excessively obstinate and is the only side of the conflict that refuses a reasonable peace deal. I think Trump would take that more personally and I suspect that it would not take all that big of an increase in war material supplies to Ukraine to enable them to pretty much completely halt Russian advances anywhere. Once that happens. The war becomes pure wastage for Russia to continue until the political or economic circumstances change, and the incentive for a ceasefire and genuine negotiations becomes much stronger.

Russia is running lower on politically acceptable bodies to push into the fight. When he had to start cutting into the core ethnic Russian population centers for his piecemeal meat wave attacks in this modern trench warfare, the domestic political heat will turn up considerably. It becomes too real to keep ignoring and pretending away.

The only real problem is that Putin does apparently subscribe to a Russia-centric imperial philosophy that Russia is entitled to dominate Eurasia.

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I somewhat fault the mods on this thread for not doing their job and cleaning up misinformation

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I figured people learned their lesson from the covid era that it's the censoring of what they believe to be "misinformation" to be what leads to actual misinformation.

Discussion to show whether certain posts are not logically sound is the right action, not censuring because you don't like the content of posts.

Ukraine has laundered enough of our money. No more!

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You just did yet again exactly what I said you have repetitively been doing. You have searched the internet to find posters/bloggers/etc. posting stuff that fits and confirms your own biases and viewpoints. Which has clearly and always been primarily anti-West/Ukraine and pro-Russia. Similarly, You could find a bunch of stuff indicating immense losses on the Russian side, if that was your viewpoint. you don't know the validity or accuracy of the information you are reading but repost and spread it around as facts.

It is….the internet.

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That is true of every message board ever.

Rob Campbell provides a sitrep of sorts covering the past couple of weeks regarding the ceasefire/conflict/peace talks. A Skeptic as well. Both are pretty long and include some fairly gruesome stuff, warning, and I do disagree with many of their assertions fwiw.

New Jerusalem Temple fire around Belgorod was sad to read about, related to this fighting near Sumy:

Sustained Russian advances in Sumy are particularly concerning because Ukraine already has a sizable garrison deployed to this front (in the ballpark of ~30k), including many high caliber units currently being attrited around Belgorod.

There isn't a significant pool of… https://t.co/TVsNoBT2jC

— Theti Mapping (@ThetiMapping) May 1, 2025

11th anniversary of the Odessa Trade Union attack/fire/deaths:

Reminder – May 2nd is the day of the Odessa Massacre https://t.co/AJS4ZkBvvB

— David Roth-Lindberg (@RothLindberg) May 2, 2025

The long history of these groups are why the peace process is so difficult, really, imho. It's easy to get bogged down in our domestic politics or the two presidents involved. I do think Trump was mistaken to proclaim on the campaign he'd achieve peace here quickly.

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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How many is that, 3 guys?

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Sq 17 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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It helps to have this coping mechanism, doesn't it. This willfully obtuse view of Trump supporters that they are pro Putin and would never stand for Trump escalating the conflict with Russia is absurd. We don't want to keep funding the stalemate. We view Ukraine as a corrupt cesspool of money laundering for elites and a cash cow for the MIC. We don't give a damn which corrupt gov't rules a piece of Ukraine. It's not our fight and an expensive, indefinite meat grinding stalemate doesn't further our interests.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sq 17 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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How many is that, 3 guys?

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Yeah I've yet to meet ANY "maga" folks who are pro-Putin. It's a ridiculous narrative for the LIV crowd who still believes in Russiagate and pee tapes. It's pathetic.

What I HAVE met are MANY folks who are pro-peace and find sending billions of dollars to a country known for their corruption with zero strings attached to be galactically stupid.

No Spin Ag said:

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Sq 17 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sq 17 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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It helps to have this coping mechanism, doesn't it. This willfully obtuse view of Trump supporters that they are pro Putin and would never stand for Trump escalating the conflict with Russia is absurd. We don't want to keep funding the stalemate. We view Ukraine as a corrupt cesspool of money laundering for elites and a cash cow for the MIC. We don't give a damn which corrupt gov't rules a piece of Ukraine. It's not our fight and an expensive, indefinite meat grinding stalemate doesn't further our interests.

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So you agree that Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine, should stop murdering Ukrainians and stop his assault on Ukraine, and by doing that stop all the money laundering that's happened with the MIC and Ukraine because of the war he started?

Oh, and that Putin is someone you'd never support.

samurai_science said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sq 17 said:

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CFO64763 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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How many is that, 3 guys?

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And Tulsi.

I disagree that the outcome of the largest land war in a Europe since WWII will be consequence free for the USA, but I understand the perspective. I also think the narrative about billions upon billions of dollars disappearing due to Ukrainian corruption after the war started is a bit overblown and hyperbolic , though certainty it is a place where there is a considerable amount of corruption. I just think people repeat that rhetoric readily without actually ever accurately quantifying it from reliable sources.
One can argue that if the outcome is thought to be irrelevant than spending on it is wasteful, but that is a separate issue from corruption.

I do find it sort of concerning that there is a group hyper concerned about possibly many millions of dollars going missing it stolen in Ukraine when we have much clearer evidence of hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars being wasted or stolen annually right here in the USA by our own American corruption and incompetence and it gets considerably less attention. Is American corruption of orders of magnitude more significance less concerning because it is more patriotic domestic corruption with our money?

I'm just pointing out The big fish is here, and Ukraine is a sideshow if the issue is stopping corruption snd waste, and that Americans are absolutely no paragon of virtue. We are the worst in human history regarding corruption, by the numbers.

'Ukraine' was used by the Chinese partners in the Biden crime family for their purposes, for well over 10 years now.

The context of this is incredible: Hunter’s $5 million payout from & direct business partnership with the Chinese businessman Hunter called “Xi’s protege,” whose $2 billion revenue energy firm was set up “to obtain overseas resources and serve the Chinese national strategy.” https://t.co/BHqJg4AKur pic.twitter.com/Zq8iY4f9kG

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 23, 2024

The Grand Ukraine Energy Play: how Burisma (Hunter) & Naftogaz (Soros) were chess pieces of a US State Dept plan to pry Russia off Europe's energy market. The CIA's job was to provide support for that plan.

Hunter helped advanced that State/CIA plan. He now has State/CIA cover. https://t.co/91NSiaqsGU pic.twitter.com/4gTzwXNSKB

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) June 2, 2024

It's fair and true to point to corruption in Kiev or Moscow, but the real epicenter of corruption in this war was/is in Washington, DC (and Malibu/Delaware etc). China is again the big winner from the war, by separating Europe from Russian energy and the consequent price spikes/de-industrialization there.

And yes, of course this also involved USAID/associated NGO's.

🚨💥 Hunter Biden: The Burisma-💰➡️USAID Pipeline!

Thanks to @MarcoPolo501c3 for the help with emails.

On July 9, 2014, an email to Hunter Biden floated the idea of Burisma becoming a "partner" with USAID.

By October 25, just over three months later, Burisma had secured a… pic.twitter.com/3qIIHEBdus

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) April 28, 2025

It's an absurd distraction, imho, to over-analyze whatever actions Trump has taken in the past few months to end the conflict, or his domestic support base.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sq 17 said:

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CFO64763 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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It helps to have this coping mechanism, doesn't it. This willfully obtuse view of Trump supporters that they are pro Putin and would never stand for Trump escalating the conflict with Russia is absurd. We don't want to keep funding the stalemate. We view Ukraine as a corrupt cesspool of money laundering for elites and a cash cow for the MIC. We don't give a damn which corrupt gov't rules a piece of Ukraine. It's not our fight and an expensive, indefinite meat grinding stalemate doesn't further our interests.

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So you agree that Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine, should stop murdering Ukrainians and stop his assault on Ukraine, and by doing that stop all the money laundering that's happened with the MIC and Ukraine because of the war he started?

Oh, and that Putin is someone you'd never support.

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Putin shouldn't have invaded and he should stop the fighting. We should stop funding this war because IT'S NOT OUR FIGHT. We're spending 10's of billions on an endless stalemate that also risks escalating into a larger conflict which is a lose/lose for everyone. How the hell do you not understand this?

Putin is a terrible person and a huge negative for humanity. That doesn't mean I want to keep funding a proxy war that will ultimately fail to oust him from Ukraine. I don't know why you need to read some kind of "Putin love" into this position. It's Trump's view and a lot of other peoples' view that this is a hopeless situation unless we want to escalate, which almost no one does.

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Sq 17 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Being against American involvement and funding a war on the other side of the world does not equal being pro Putin. If Europe ramped up involvement and stomped Russia, I'd venture a significant portion of the "pro Putin maga" crowd you mock would be ecstatic at Europe picking up the slack and taking Russia down a notch.

A lot of these discussion would be more fruitful once the other side acknowledges that fact rather than keeps parroting their own "misinformation".

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Sq 17 said:

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CFO64763 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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It helps to have this coping mechanism, doesn't it. This willfully obtuse view of Trump supporters that they are pro Putin and would never stand for Trump escalating the conflict with Russia is absurd. We don't want to keep funding the stalemate. We view Ukraine as a corrupt cesspool of money laundering for elites and a cash cow for the MIC. We don't give a damn which corrupt gov't rules a piece of Ukraine. It's not our fight and an expensive, indefinite meat grinding stalemate doesn't further our interests.

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So you agree that Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine, should stop murdering Ukrainians and stop his assault on Ukraine, and by doing that stop all the money laundering that's happened with the MIC and Ukraine because of the war he started?

Oh, and that Putin is someone you'd never support.

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Putin shouldn't have invaded and he should stop the fighting. We should stop funding this war because IT'S NOT OUR FIGHT. We're spending 10's of billions on an endless stalemate that also risks escalating into a larger conflict which is a lose/lose for everyone. How the hell do you not understand this?

Putin is a terrible person and a huge negative for humanity. That doesn't mean I want to keep funding a proxy war that will ultimately fail to oust him from Ukraine. I don't know why you need to read some kind of "Putin love" into this position. It's Trump's view and a lot of other peoples' view that this is a hopeless situation unless we want to escalate, which almost no one does.

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My bad, it wasn't clear to me your views. I appreciate your reply here and it's good to know that unlike Putin's American sycophants, you're very rational as to how you see things over there.

Again, my bad. Thanks for the back and forth.

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Sq 17 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Okay, so 5 tops....lol

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No Spin Ag said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sq 17 said:

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CFO64763 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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It helps to have this coping mechanism, doesn't it. This willfully obtuse view of Trump supporters that they are pro Putin and would never stand for Trump escalating the conflict with Russia is absurd. We don't want to keep funding the stalemate. We view Ukraine as a corrupt cesspool of money laundering for elites and a cash cow for the MIC. We don't give a damn which corrupt gov't rules a piece of Ukraine. It's not our fight and an expensive, indefinite meat grinding stalemate doesn't further our interests.

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So you agree that Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine, should stop murdering Ukrainians and stop his assault on Ukraine, and by doing that stop all the money laundering that's happened with the MIC and Ukraine because of the war he started?

Oh, and that Putin is someone you'd never support.

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Putin shouldn't have invaded and he should stop the fighting. We should stop funding this war because IT'S NOT OUR FIGHT. We're spending 10's of billions on an endless stalemate that also risks escalating into a larger conflict which is a lose/lose for everyone. How the hell do you not understand this?

Putin is a terrible person and a huge negative for humanity. That doesn't mean I want to keep funding a proxy war that will ultimately fail to oust him from Ukraine. I don't know why you need to read some kind of "Putin love" into this position. It's Trump's view and a lot of other peoples' view that this is a hopeless situation unless we want to escalate, which almost no one does.

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My bad, it wasn't clear to me your views. I appreciate your reply here and it's good to know that unlike Putin's American sycophants, you're very rational as to how you see things over there.

Again, my bad. Thanks for the back and forth.

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All good! Thx!

I again think the 'pro-Ukraine' position is closer to my own vs. the pro-war EU/Democrat/CCP ones that focus more-so on just 'Putin bad' or 'Trump failed.'

I'll translate what Danish PM Mette Frederiksen is really saying: Ukraine must keep fighting a war it cannot win—because its real purpose is to keep Russia occupied. A ceasefire isn’t an option, not for Ukraine, but for the EU. Why? Because if Russia weren’t tied up in Ukraine,… https://t.co/n2jPg7smWe

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) March 6, 2025

This is why I see this as so closely linked to the NGO's and USAID discussion.

My main takeaway from the past two days is that eliminating NGOs isn’t just about tackling corruption—it’s a matter of survival. The current trajectory carries a real risk of leading us toward nuclear catastrophe.

The so-called foreign policy “experts” are nothing more than…

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) March 1, 2025

She's absolutely right.

I think it's still important beyond the money or body counts because these are the same threats we continue to face (from within) today.

Chris Murphy, the Senator who openly claimed credit for destabilizing then toppling the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014 through astroturfed protests, is working with the Indivisible and MoveOn on their astroturfed protests to destabilize Trump & Elon https://t.co/YdXvSTfBxW

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) March 29, 2025

Probably at the limit here for x posts but the "Grand Ukraine Energy Play" is worth a look for those interested.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Okay, so 5 tops....lol

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118 people starred this OP with the title "I'm Rooting for Russia."

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

Only good thing that will come out of stalled peace talks is more Russians will die.

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The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Okay, so 5 tops....lol

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118 people starred this OP with the title "I'm Rooting for Russia."

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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There are probably several ways that the U.S. could funnel money and arms to Ukraine in a low profile manner, without it being a major public political talking point. It will just 'look' like the EU countries are mostly doing it. Things like that minerals deal provide a convenient excuse to not walk away. If Russia doesn't want to end this, then the show will probably go on and on.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Being against American involvement and funding a war on the other side of the world does not equal being pro Putin. If Europe ramped up involvement and stomped Russia, I'd venture a significant portion of the "pro Putin maga" crowd you mock would be ecstatic at Europe picking up the slack and taking Russia down a notch.

A lot of these discussion would be more fruitful once the other side acknowledges that fact rather than keeps parroting their own "misinformation".

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There's a lot of that opinion here too.

Not every anti us involvement poster is a pro russia/putin supporter. In fact, I'd wager most aren't.

Then there's people like me who are pro ukriane, not opposed to usa spending money/weapons there but think it's time for the war to come to an end for various reasons.

Then there's the group who are more anti Ukraine/pro Russian because , in general, they think the west is so corrupted that putin has a point

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Okay, so 5 tops....lol

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118 people starred this OP with the title "I'm Rooting for Russia."

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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There are probably several ways that the U.S. could funnel money and arms to Ukraine in a low profile manner, without it being a major public political talking point. It will just 'look' like the EU countries are mostly doing it. Things like that minerals deal provide a convenient excuse to not walk away. If Russia doesn't want to end this, then the show will probably go on and on.

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Agreed. The hope is that at least behind the scenes the admin knows that Putin is the only one who decides when this ends, and clearly the only way that happens is when it starts to become too costly for him to keep going. So the behind the scenes support might be the better move just to keep the isolationist or generally anti Ukraine wings from throwing a fit.

Money laundering absolutely started prior to the invasion. Or are you going to defend Hunter Biden sitting on the board of the Ukrainian energy company?

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118 people starred this OP with the title "I'm Rooting for Russia."

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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I've seen this referenced repeatedly but I guess the question is 'what points in the OP were incorrect?' Summary (I just took out some commentary):

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1. We provoked Russia by putting NATO on their doorstep.

2. Our corrupt politicians in congress and the Biden's use Ukraine as a money laundering factory stealing our tax dollars.

3. I'm tired of seeing tens of billions of our taxpayer dollars go to Ukraine only for the money to be skimmed by their corrupt bureaucrats and the weapons we purchase sold on the black market.

4. Ukraine has no shot to win.

5. There are actual Nazis in Ukrainian military.

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Scott Horton has documented most of this, but I'd note that Nato as a threat on the world stage is quite real, and not just a figment of the Russian imaginations. Long thread:

The essay lays out a new mission for NATO after the cold war. NATO would no longer be a defensive alliance against Russia - that is obsolete. Instead, it would proactively go out and shape other countries into "open societies." "[𝑵𝑨𝑻𝑶'𝒔 𝒏𝒆𝒘] 𝒎𝒊𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒊𝒔 𝒃𝒆𝒔𝒕…

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) May 2, 2025

I keep messing up this thread. Here is the continuation: https://t.co/PVqYDAjHtG

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) May 2, 2025

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Money laundering absolutely started prior to the invasion. Or are you going to defend Hunter Biden sitting on the board of the Ukrainian energy company?

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Not at all. Hunter is a POS that isn't worth pissing on if he was on fire. That also has nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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118 people starred this OP with the title "I'm Rooting for Russia."

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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I've seen this referenced repeatedly but I guess the question is 'what points in the OP were incorrect?' Summary (I just took out some commentary):

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1. We provoked Russia by putting NATO on their doorstep.

2. Our corrupt politicians in congress and the Biden's use Ukraine as a money laundering factory stealing our tax dollars.

3. I'm tired of seeing tens of billions of our taxpayer dollars go to Ukraine only for the money to be skimmed by their corrupt bureaucrats and the weapons we purchase sold on the black market.

4. Ukraine has no shot to win.

5. There are actual Nazis in Ukrainian military.

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Scott Horton has documented most of this, but I'd note that Nato as a threat on the world stage is quite real, and not just a figment of the Russian imaginations. Long thread:

The essay lays out a new mission for NATO after the cold war. NATO would no longer be a defensive alliance against Russia - that is obsolete. Instead, it would proactively go out and shape other countries into "open societies." "[𝑵𝑨𝑻𝑶'𝒔 𝒏𝒆𝒘] 𝒎𝒊𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒊𝒔 𝒃𝒆𝒔𝒕…

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) May 2, 2025

I keep messing up this thread. Here is the continuation: https://t.co/PVqYDAjHtG

— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) May 2, 2025

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The poster said "maybe 5 people" were rooting for Russia. That thread says otherwise, and each those points are debatable at best, and/or completely irrelevant as reasons to actively root for a country to invade and destroy a neighbor and murder its civilians.

Regardless, the point was that there are definitely people hoping Russia wins, for whatever convoluted reasons they happen to have.

GAC06 said:

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Expect a wall of tweets at 5am CST, 1pm Moscow time

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Reading a book called 'Death Is Our Business' which is a history of the rise and fall of the Russian mercenary Wagner group.

Author spent a lot of time in places like Africa, Ukraine, Syria etc. and interviewed about 30 former members.

Great insight to essentially a revived 'cold war' that has been going on with increasing heat for 15+ years between the U.S./West and Russia.

Actually didn't remember or had forgotten the Wagner group and U.S. special forces got into a firefight in Feb. 2018 in Syria and outnumbered about 10 to 1 with the Wagner guys having tanks and such, managed to beat them back with Spectre gunships, bombers, Apaches, and Reaper drones shooting Hellfire missiles. Russian Air Force actually put some fighters in the air but got 'painted' by some F-18s and backed off.

Wagner (Russians) were trying to take control of Conoco oil fields there but Kurdish forces with the U.S. special forces got there first then held them off with that air support.

Book provides a lot of insight into all the tentacles and roots of this conflict that not only include Ukraine but span the Middle East, Africa, the Bosnia/Serbia/Kosova conflict.

Reading this book, it is really hard to see how there could have ever been optimism for quick peace deal. Lot of history and moving parts.

Does Tucker Carlson count ?
And Trump will walk away before he supports Z

"debatable at best" is a very weak hand wave considering two and five are verifiably true, number four is widely accepted as true (Ukraine wont get its land back) and number three is OP saying "I'm tired of"

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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CFO64763 said:

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If Russia refuses Trump's deal, then the U.S. could start arming and supporting the Ukrainian war efforts again.

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I'll take things that won't happen for $1000, Alex
The MAGA faithful will not tolerate open support from DJT. Possibly EU arms flow at faster rate. With no peace deal in the offing and the US withdrawing from the situation They might

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Good point. There's definitely an extremely pro Putin portion of maga that would likely become upset at Trump for going against Putin.

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Quite a few right here on f16

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Okay, so 5 tops....lol

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118 people starred this OP with the title "I'm Rooting for Russia."

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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There have been posts on the various threads calling for Russia to expand to the largest boundaries of the old Russian Empire. In threads about Europe, there have been posts calling for Russia to take over Western Europe so they can show them how to deal with Muslims. It should be noted that Russia has a higher percentage and total population of Muslims than any country in Western Europe so I don't think that part was well thought out. Lots of shirtless photo's of Putin as an example of a real leader over the years as well. Putin definitely has quite a few backers here.