***** Official Houston Rockets 2024-2025 Season Thread *****
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The city made songs about it we were so mad.The Original Houston 1836 said:Someone remembers Kelvin Cato getting $42 million for a pre-season triple double I see.TREX01 said:
If Carroll Dawson was still GM he would extend Reed after tonight
My complaint isn't specific to offense or defense, it's in basic moments where we are trying to inbound the ball or set up the offense. He will try to maneuver into space to receive the ball, but he won't create enough room and the defender can easily cut out the action or get a steal. If we are relying on him to initiate the offense, his inability to receive the ball is a huge problem. He has to learn the art of being a point guard, not a shooting guard, if he is going to last.
Honestly, its mostly simple things such as subtly shoving the defender before he breaks to creates space or using his backside once he has received the ball to control his defender. Small little moments of physicality can help him control the ball, his defender and the pace of the game. I picked CP3 as an example, but FVV is also good at this (although nobody does it better than CP3 in my opinion).
Given his height he has no chance to make it as a normal shooting guard, so he is going to have to pick up point guard skills. Last night was encouraging because it showed he could at least hang on the court with really good players but he still had too many TOs, not enough assists and the team was -12 while he was on the court.
Honestly, its mostly simple things such as subtly shoving the defender before he breaks to creates space or using his backside once he has received the ball to control his defender. Small little moments of physicality can help him control the ball, his defender and the pace of the game. I picked CP3 as an example, but FVV is also good at this (although nobody does it better than CP3 in my opinion).
Given his height he has no chance to make it as a normal shooting guard, so he is going to have to pick up point guard skills. Last night was encouraging because it showed he could at least hang on the court with really good players but he still had too many TOs, not enough assists and the team was -12 while he was on the court.
AG@RICE said:
My complaint isn't specific to offense or defense, it's in basic moments where we are trying to inbound the ball or set up the offense. He will try to maneuver into space to receive the ball, but he won't create enough room and the defender can easily cut out the action or get a steal. If we are relying on him to initiate the offense, his inability to receive the ball is a huge problem. He has to learn the art of being a point guard, not a shooting guard, if he is going to last.
Honestly, its mostly simple things such as subtly shoving the defender before he breaks to creates space or using his backside once he has received the ball to control his defender. Small little moments of physicality can help him control the ball, his defender and the pace of the game. I picked CP3 as an example, but FVV is also good at this (although nobody does it better than CP3 in my opinion).
Given his height he has no chance to make it as a normal shooting guard, so he is going to have to pick up point guard skills. Last night was encouraging because it showed he could at least hang on the court with really good players but he still had too many TOs, not enough assists and the team was -12 while he was on the court.
Biggest pushback is your use of +- to prove a point. It carries a little weight, but used in an individual game is almost meaningless. He played well the entire time he was on the court. He also got most of the SGA minutes and was guarding him almost the entire time. I'm good with him on both ends of the court. If they want him to develop the other nuances he needs playing time. He is t going to develop them sitting on the bench. There was 1 inbound play that he got shielded and I wish he woulda used some physicality to separate or push past that defender. Rockets had to inbound the ball to someone else because of it.
If you want to use +- then McVeigh needs to be a starter.
We had a midrange game last night for the first time this year. It was a breath of fresh air to watch him pull up and hit the open midranges shot. Something several rockets desperately needs to do more.
Woods Ag said:AG@RICE said:
My complaint isn't specific to offense or defense, it's in basic moments where we are trying to inbound the ball or set up the offense. He will try to maneuver into space to receive the ball, but he won't create enough room and the defender can easily cut out the action or get a steal. If we are relying on him to initiate the offense, his inability to receive the ball is a huge problem. He has to learn the art of being a point guard, not a shooting guard, if he is going to last.
Honestly, its mostly simple things such as subtly shoving the defender before he breaks to creates space or using his backside once he has received the ball to control his defender. Small little moments of physicality can help him control the ball, his defender and the pace of the game. I picked CP3 as an example, but FVV is also good at this (although nobody does it better than CP3 in my opinion).
Given his height he has no chance to make it as a normal shooting guard, so he is going to have to pick up point guard skills. Last night was encouraging because it showed he could at least hang on the court with really good players but he still had too many TOs, not enough assists and the team was -12 while he was on the court.
Biggest pushback is your use of +- to prove a point. It carries a little weight, but used in an individual game is almost meaningless. He played well the entire time he was on the court. He also got most of the SGA minutes and was guarding him almost the entire time. I'm good with him on both ends of the court. If they want him to develop the other nuances he needs playing time. He is t going to develop them sitting on the bench.
If you want to use +- then McVeigh needs to be a starter.
We had a midrange game last night for the first time this year. It was a breath of fresh air to watch him pull up and hit the open midranges shot. Something several rockets desperately needs to do more.
100% this. +/- last night is meaningless especially with the way SGA was going off. Hell, the G leaguers team he was on the floor with in the 4th quarter couldn't keep my 45 year old ass from scoring. What was encouraging was seeing what he could do and imagine adding that to the normal rotation of players you have when healthy. He won't be Curry, but he can be a TJ McConnell type that has a big role on this team in the future.
Picking up my Reed Sheppard jersey today. We've got a star on our hands boys.
I try to never use +/- as a main argumentative point. If I use it, its always in combination with other numbers.
If I wanted to use +/- to validate my knee jerk reactions I probably would have cited Dante: +2 in 19 minutes. I thought he was waaaaayyyyyy better than Landale. Meaningful stats back it up: 9 boards and 2 blocks (4 fouls though).
I'd like to see him take the 3rd string center spot. Landale just doesn't do it for me. He plays hard, but he just doesn't seem coordinated/athletic enough to make a consistent impact. I'd rather give Dante his minutes to see if he can give us a spark. I thought he moved really well for a big kid.
If I wanted to use +/- to validate my knee jerk reactions I probably would have cited Dante: +2 in 19 minutes. I thought he was waaaaayyyyyy better than Landale. Meaningful stats back it up: 9 boards and 2 blocks (4 fouls though).
I'd like to see him take the 3rd string center spot. Landale just doesn't do it for me. He plays hard, but he just doesn't seem coordinated/athletic enough to make a consistent impact. I'd rather give Dante his minutes to see if he can give us a spark. I thought he moved really well for a big kid.
AG@RICE said:
I try to never use +/- as a main argumentative point. If I use it, its always in combination with other numbers.
If I wanted to use +/- to validate my knee jerk reactions I probably would have cited Dante: +2 in 19 minutes. I thought he was waaaaayyyyyy better than Landale. Meaningful stats back it up: 9 boards and 2 blocks (4 fouls though).
I'd like to see him take the 3rd string center spot. Landale just doesn't do it for me. He plays hard, but he just doesn't seem coordinated/athletic enough to make a consistent impact. I'd rather give Dante his minutes to see if he can give us a spark. I thought he moved really well for a big kid.
You used it twice on Reed's performance last night is why I brought it up.
And I agree on Landale. Hell, that dude can have the #2 spot with Adam's at 1. I'm about over the Alpy's weak*** down low. He's a 4 but not athletic enough to play there so we got him at the 5 fumbling around down there. I'll take a true 5 that can rim protect, rebound, and actually go up with power and finish unless that 5 is Jokic.
Last night against the Thunder, Reed Sheppard of the @HoustonRockets became the first player in NBA history to record 25+ points, 5+ assists, 3+ made threes & 3+ stocks (steals + blocks) in his first career start. pic.twitter.com/GGthj5LP8Y
— OptaSTATS (@OptaSTATS) March 4, 2025
I feel this way (re: Sengun) about all of our players in some shape or form.
"They are good but..."
"If he could just..."
"He drives me crazy when..."
"I'm tired of him..."
That could be any player on the team on any given night. They all have something: Jalens lack of focus, Tari throwing the ball away, Amen out of control, FVV chucking, Alpi missing bunnies, Dillon fouling, Jabari disappearing, Adams poor shooting, Tates lack of height....
Luckily they are athletic and play hard. That won't be good enough to win anything meaningful, but it's good enough for now.
I keep watching the Mavs fans and telling myself to enjoy what I got. It ain't perfect and I'm definitely going to be annoyed with them, but there is hope. At least we got hope.
"They are good but..."
"If he could just..."
"He drives me crazy when..."
"I'm tired of him..."
That could be any player on the team on any given night. They all have something: Jalens lack of focus, Tari throwing the ball away, Amen out of control, FVV chucking, Alpi missing bunnies, Dillon fouling, Jabari disappearing, Adams poor shooting, Tates lack of height....
Luckily they are athletic and play hard. That won't be good enough to win anything meaningful, but it's good enough for now.
I keep watching the Mavs fans and telling myself to enjoy what I got. It ain't perfect and I'm definitely going to be annoyed with them, but there is hope. At least we got hope.
AG@RICE said:
I feel this way (re: Sengun) about all of our players in some shape or form.
"They are good but..."
"If he could just..."
"He drives me crazy when..."
"I'm tired of him..."
That could be any player on the team on any given night. They all have something: Jalens lack of focus, Tari throwing the ball away, Amen out of control, FVV chucking, Alpi missing bunnies, Dillon fouling, Jabari disappearing, Adams poor shooting, Tates lack of height....
Luckily they are athletic and play hard. That won't be good enough to win anything meaningful, but it's good enough for now.
I keep watching the Mavs fans and telling myself to enjoy what I got. It ain't perfect and I'm definitely going to be annoyed with them, but there is hope. At least we got hope.
Amen (no pun intended) to all of this. The only one (young guys) I am completely sold on as a career starter (whether that ends up being super star, or just athletic defensive stopper on a championship team) is Amen. I'm happy with him just as he is but obviously the ceiling is so much higher. It's funny because I was the most worried about that draft pick.
The rest are still question marks
Amen was really a boom or bust pick. Insane 99th percentile athleticism, but can't shoot and Ignite/Elite players have a pretty poor track record in the NBA - I don't think those teams helped develop players at all.Woods Ag said:AG@RICE said:
I feel this way (re: Sengun) about all of our players in some shape or form.
"They are good but..."
"If he could just..."
"He drives me crazy when..."
"I'm tired of him..."
That could be any player on the team on any given night. They all have something: Jalens lack of focus, Tari throwing the ball away, Amen out of control, FVV chucking, Alpi missing bunnies, Dillon fouling, Jabari disappearing, Adams poor shooting, Tates lack of height....
Luckily they are athletic and play hard. That won't be good enough to win anything meaningful, but it's good enough for now.
I keep watching the Mavs fans and telling myself to enjoy what I got. It ain't perfect and I'm definitely going to be annoyed with them, but there is hope. At least we got hope.
Amen (no pun intended) to all of this. The only one (young guys) I am completely sold on as a career starter (whether that ends up being super star, or just athletic defensive stopper on a championship team) is Amen. I'm happy with him just as he is but obviously the ceiling is so much higher. It's funny because I was the most worried about that draft pick.
The rest are still question marks
But the way he has developed this year, he's going to be a top 5 defensive player for the next decade and if he develops a shot, he can be a top 5 NBA player. I don't think he is ever going to really be able to run the point full time, but you can slot him up at 2-4 and he can be a secondary ballhandler, rollman, cutter, and handle all the POA duties. Such a valuable player to have on the team.
How could you ever forget. What an incredibly bad decision
it helped us forget about 4 years, $18 million for Matt Maloney at the time.TREX01 said:
How could you ever forget. What an incredibly bad decision
Guitarsoup said:Amen was really a boom or bust pick. Insane 99th percentile athleticism, but can't shoot and Ignite/Elite players have a pretty poor track record in the NBA - I don't think those teams helped develop players at all.Woods Ag said:AG@RICE said:
I feel this way (re: Sengun) about all of our players in some shape or form.
"They are good but..."
"If he could just..."
"He drives me crazy when..."
"I'm tired of him..."
That could be any player on the team on any given night. They all have something: Jalens lack of focus, Tari throwing the ball away, Amen out of control, FVV chucking, Alpi missing bunnies, Dillon fouling, Jabari disappearing, Adams poor shooting, Tates lack of height....
Luckily they are athletic and play hard. That won't be good enough to win anything meaningful, but it's good enough for now.
I keep watching the Mavs fans and telling myself to enjoy what I got. It ain't perfect and I'm definitely going to be annoyed with them, but there is hope. At least we got hope.
Amen (no pun intended) to all of this. The only one (young guys) I am completely sold on as a career starter (whether that ends up being super star, or just athletic defensive stopper on a championship team) is Amen. I'm happy with him just as he is but obviously the ceiling is so much higher. It's funny because I was the most worried about that draft pick.
The rest are still question marks
But the way he has developed this year, he's going to be a top 5 defensive player for the next decade and if he develops a shot, he can be a top 5 NBA player. I don't think he is ever going to really be able to run the point full time, but you can slot him up at 2-4 and he can be a secondary ballhandler, rollman, cutter, and handle all the POA duties. Such a valuable player to have on the team.
I agree. I don't really have a limit on how good he can be. He can lock down 1-3 and most 4s. I'm impressed with his 3pt shooting compared to last year. It tells me he's putting in work. Driving is already good. He's can be the ultimate utility knife and play whatever position we need him to play.
Big Turkey killing us
Fight back all the way to 1 point lead,…
Then give up 13 unanswered points.
This team is fitting in right there with every other team I yell for. What a brutal 6 month stretch.
Then give up 13 unanswered points.
This team is fitting in right there with every other team I yell for. What a brutal 6 month stretch.
He pulled the group that got them back in the game.. wtf is he doing? it's the 4th Q, let them die out there if they're tired.
Head Ninja In Charge said:The city made songs about it we were so mad.The Original Houston 1836 said:Someone remembers Kelvin Cato getting $42 million for a pre-season triple double I see.TREX01 said:
If Carroll Dawson was still GM he would extend Reed after tonight
Somebody tell Kelvin Cato, we want our money back!
Although the Rockets never got back to the finals, getting T-Mac for Steve, Cuttino, and Cato was one of the best I can't believe the other team fell for it trades in history.cupcakesprinkles said:Head Ninja In Charge said:The city made songs about it we were so mad.The Original Houston 1836 said:Someone remembers Kelvin Cato getting $42 million for a pre-season triple double I see.TREX01 said:
If Carroll Dawson was still GM he would extend Reed after tonight
Somebody tell Kelvin Cato, we want our money back!
TREX01 said:
If Carroll Dawson was still GM he would extend Reed after tonight
Rockets still paying Matt Maloney?
Came back from a lackluster start tonight with a really nice all-around effort. I turned it on just in time to see Alpert do a beauty of a no-look alley oop to Amen for a 2 handed flush. Earlier Amen had a double-clutch jam on a broken play that was really spectacular as well.
The part of the game I watched, they put Amen on Zion and he really threw him off his game. Zion hit 10 of 12 free throws but was only 5 of 15 from the field.
Tari Eason got the start and had 20 points and 5 steals. Amen had 21 and 11 rebounds and Segun had 15, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and 3 steals. Got the Pelis again Saturday night with a chance to get to 39-25. Have the cut the lead to half a game on Memphis. Unfortunately the Grizz have Dallas tomorrow.
The part of the game I watched, they put Amen on Zion and he really threw him off his game. Zion hit 10 of 12 free throws but was only 5 of 15 from the field.
Tari Eason got the start and had 20 points and 5 steals. Amen had 21 and 11 rebounds and Segun had 15, 6 rebounds, 8 assists and 3 steals. Got the Pelis again Saturday night with a chance to get to 39-25. Have the cut the lead to half a game on Memphis. Unfortunately the Grizz have Dallas tomorrow.
This team has so many good players.
Totally Missed Reed being out 4 weeks with a fractured thumb
We have a bigger problem. Amen came down on another players foot and rolled his ankle bad. Walking boot and crutches after the game, MRI today. Doesn't look good, hopefully just a few weeks.
MRI found no structural damage. 10-14 days, which is about 6 games.
Feels like the best possible outcome given how he went down and immediately left the court.
Feels like the best possible outcome given how he went down and immediately left the court.
Looking ahead at the standings/ schedule for the last 18 games.
Rockets are #5 at present (39-25). 2 games out of No. 2 / No. 3 - and 1 game out of No. 4.
Lakers are 40-22, Nuggets are 41-23, Grizz are 40-24
Home games (10): Orlando, Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago, Philadelphia, Denver, Atlanta, Utah, OKC, Denver
Road games (7) : Orlando, Miami, Utah, Phoenix, Lakers, Golden State, Clippers, Lakers
Next 4 in a row are at home vs. Orlando, Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago
The end of the season could be a nightmare: From April 4-April 13, they are at home for OKC, at Golden State, at the Clippers, at the Lakers, and then close at home vs. Denver.
Unfortunately LeBron should be back by the time they play LA twice in 12 days.
Golden State is 3 games back. T-Wolves are as well. Clippers are 8th and 4-1/2 back.
Rockets are #5 at present (39-25). 2 games out of No. 2 / No. 3 - and 1 game out of No. 4.
Lakers are 40-22, Nuggets are 41-23, Grizz are 40-24
Home games (10): Orlando, Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago, Philadelphia, Denver, Atlanta, Utah, OKC, Denver
Road games (7) : Orlando, Miami, Utah, Phoenix, Lakers, Golden State, Clippers, Lakers
Next 4 in a row are at home vs. Orlando, Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago
The end of the season could be a nightmare: From April 4-April 13, they are at home for OKC, at Golden State, at the Clippers, at the Lakers, and then close at home vs. Denver.
Unfortunately LeBron should be back by the time they play LA twice in 12 days.
Golden State is 3 games back. T-Wolves are as well. Clippers are 8th and 4-1/2 back.
Lakers have the 4th hardest SOS left and LeGroin is injured.
Nuggets have 5th hardest SOS left.
Grizzles have 7th hardest SOS left.
Rockets have 16th hardest SOS left.
Lakers also have 2 more games than the other teams, so they will have less rest.
Nuggets have 5th hardest SOS left.
Grizzles have 7th hardest SOS left.
Rockets have 16th hardest SOS left.
Lakers also have 2 more games than the other teams, so they will have less rest.
17 rebounds including 11 offensive in just 23 minutes for Steven Adams
mAgnoliAg said:
17 rebounds including 11 offensive in just 23 minutes for Steven Adams
Watching that game, it's incredible Orlando has ever scored 100 points in a game.
Starting to look like Ime made a good call bringing Adams back as slow as he did and giving him a bunch of rest. Dude has been great the last month or so.
Weak ass ejections for Adams.
Does Plumlee have a death wish?
At the game...Plumlee was playing dirty the whole game. Like Laimbeer dirty.
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