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aginlakeway said:

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Donald Trump suing Rupert Murdoch, crazy times.

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The left could not be happier right now.

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The left is never happy.

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True, but they sure AF aren't exactly sad at what's going on in Trump World.

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I don't know too many lefties who haven't moved on from this. They're now on his health.

aginlakeway said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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aginlakeway said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Donald Trump suing Rupert Murdoch, crazy times.

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The left could not be happier right now.

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The left is never happy.

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True, but they sure AF aren't exactly sad at what's going on in Trump World.

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I don't know too many lefties who haven't moved on from this. They're now on his health.

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True, something about veins or ankles i heard. The man is a geriatric, it's pretty normal for his body to be breaking down. Why they are getting all excited is beyond dumb.

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Its important for everyone to understand that the "clients" are very likely gov counterparties in deals Esptein was facilitating. So these governments arent going to expose them, for fear of being exposed on their Iran Contra type ops and shady financing deals.

So everyone is going about this in the wrong order. First, expose the backdoor gov deal making with Epstein, then there is no further protection for the clients.

Start by demanding the Nov 2020 OPR/DOJ transcript where Alex Acosta confirmed he was told "Epstein belonged to intelligence". Then move on to his ties to Adnan Khashoggi, and those exposed gov ops.

Alan Dershowitz is lying about no Epstein intel ties. He knows nothing will be released as long that aspect of the story is preserved. So he demands release, while denying gov is connected.

The press totally sucks at their job. So far they let Bondi off hook. Ask for the Acosta Transcript, not the "Client list".

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In contrast to the mountain of evidence sitting in FBI possession, that's all unsubstantiated speculation.

We'll move further, faster if we start with the evidence and see if it ultimately supports such speculation.

Bondi, Bongino, and Patel are Feds on the inside now. They now feel its their patriotic duty to protect Trump, and more importantly, their own
clandestine gov ops that were essential to "protecting national security".

In other words, you peasants just dont get it. They cant be honest about the Epstien clients devious acts, bc those clients helped facilitate/finance their noble patriotic ops, to keep you all safe and secure. Its for your own good, you useless sheep.

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In contrast to the mountain of evidence sitting in FBI possession, that's all unsubstantiated speculation.

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No idea what you are talking about. We have an Epstein prosecutor/Labor Sec who confirmed Epstein "belonged to intelligence". While the DOJ has only confirmed a bunch of kiddie porn in FBI possession.

Link to your claim? That doesnt include their BS rhetoric about "Epstein files" when campaigning for office.

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We'll move further, faster if we start with the evidence and see if it ultimately supports such speculation.

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We are going backwards pursuing a non-existent "client list". You dont get perp walks, unless those perps no longer have leverage against gov. Its really that simple.

Im citing specific evidence (OPR report/Khashoggi ops), while you are the one speculating about FBI possible evidence on minor solicitation etc. Again, link?

FobTies said:

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Its important for everyone to understand that the "clients" are very likely gov counterparties in...

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you speaking on behalf of someone, teaching a class, or what?

Thanks! Will read later. Probably worth stating a new topic on it.

The Hitler "Downfall" parodies seem to have expanded to including AI. This Epstein list video has a particularly good one that will remind many of a certain event of A&M/TexAgs lore. (0:47 so don't have to watch the whole video).

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Thanks! Will read later. Probably worth stating a new topic on it.

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You're welcome. You'll find the Count 1 - Defamation Per Se to be particularly humorous.

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FobTies said:

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Its important for everyone to understand that the "clients" are very likely gov counterparties in...

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you speaking on behalf of someone, teaching a class, or what?

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Yep, teaching people that the "clients" arent random deviant friends of Epstein. They are largely clients of the gov, in deals Epstein brokered. Deals unrelated to underage sex.

Once that is understood, progress can be made towards justice for underage victims. Which is what we all want, right?

Look into the history of the maxwell's, les wexner and Epstein himself.

"Mossad honeypot". Say it with me a hundred times and stop with dem vs rep nonsense. They're both covering for Israel. If you want to have a decent discussion, then discuss whether or not we should continue covering it up, and what sanctions (if any) should be in place for Israel for perpetrating this. There are interesting and valid points to be made all around.

This whole birthday letter between Trump and Epstein is nonsense anyway Trump's never typed a letter in his life. He doesn't use keyboards and stuff. Hand writes things on big chief tablets and marks up papers with sharpies and stuff. He doesn't use technology. He's got that little blonde girl Natalie Harp that follows him around posting his random stuff on social media, and has to print everything out for him to review and mark up.

I don't think the CIA let this go on for so long without getting in on it with the Mossad. Are we going to place sanctions on our own country while we're at it?

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Look into the history of the maxwell's, les wexner and Epstein himself.

"Mossad honeypot". Say it with me a hundred times and stop with dem vs rep nonsense. They're both covering for Israel. If you want to have a decent discussion, then discuss whether or not we should continue covering it up, and what sanctions (if any) should be in place for Israel for perpetrating this. There are interesting and valid points to be made all around.

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This isn't going to die. Keep up the great work

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/19/us/politics/inside-trump-epstein-friendship.html

If you are interested in this quagmire, an article behind a soft pay wall linking the facts of Trump and Epstein. Some of the "interesting" parts below. The BLUF, Trump and Epstein were definitely friends during a period of time where Epstein was doing pedo activities.

" In the swirl of money and sun-tanned women that was their Palm Beach-and-Manhattan set, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein spent nearly 15 years mingling side-by-side as public friends.

There were lavish dinners with boldface names at Mr. Epstein's mansion on the Upper East Side and raucous parties with cheerleaders and models at Mr. Trump's private club and residence at Mar-a-Lago. In between, there were trips back and forth from Florida to New York on one of Mr. Epstein's private jets."

" One of the young women who later said Mr. Epstein groomed and abused her was recruited into his world while working as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Mr. Trump during a brief encounter in Mr. Epstein's office, and claimed that Mr. Epstein had told Mr. Trump at the time that "she's not for you.""

"In 1992, an NBC News camera captured the pair at a Mar-a-Lago party that featured cheerleaders from the Buffalo Bills, who were in town that weekend for a game against the Miami Dolphins. At one point in the footage, Mr. Trump can be seen dancing amid a crowd of young women. Later, he appears to be pointing at other women while whispering something in Mr. Epstein's ear, causing him to double over with laughter.

Months later, when Mr. Trump hosted a party at Mar-a-Lago for young women in a so-called calendar girl competition, Mr. Epstein was the only other guest, according to George Houraney, a Florida-based businessman who arranged the event. Mr. Houraney recalled being surprised that Mr. Epstein was the only other person on the guest list.

"In said, 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with V.I.P.s," Mr. Houraney told The New York Times in 2019. "You're telling me it's you and Epstein?'""

"Court records show that Mr. Trump was among those who got rides on Mr. Epstein's private jet. Over four years in the 1990s, he flew on Mr. Epstein's Boeing 727 at least seven times, largely making jaunts between Palm Beach and a private airport in Teterboro, N.J., just outside New York."

" In 2000, court records show, Ms. Maxwell, a British socialite who had long been tied to Mr. Epstein, struck up a conversation with a 17-year-old girl outside a locker room at Mar-a-Lago.

Her name was Virginia Giuffre, and she was a spa attendant at the club, having gotten the job through her father, who worked there as a maintenance man."

Buried in the story. Seems relevant.

"Mr. Trump has never been accused of wrongdoing in connection with the Epstein case"

Hedge is getting folks stirred up over nothing again.

After watching several podcasts which provide a history of who Epstein is, it's one of the weirdest and most bizarre stories of how a non-college graduate was able to accumulate so much wealth and gain so much influence on highly impactful people from around the globe. It's truly a part of the dark world we live in.

Yep.

My question is why don't we know who his pilots were? Who did aircraft maintenance? Who grocery shopped for his island? Etc etc

The answer to me is the entire organization was an intelligence operation. And he didn't hire anyone for any of those roles because they were assigned and that's why we don't know anything about the people who made the entire operation run. It's all classified.

And it's entirely possible the operation never ceased. Just a different front man now.

His pilot testified at the Maxwell trial.

He had one single pilot? I call bs. Even small private jets typically run two.

I've flown on many smaller jets with only 1 pilot. My MIL loved to sit in the right seat.

Of course that happens. But Epstein plane wasn't a small jet. And he's flying guys Around like former presidents and royalty. No way they are flying with a single pilot. I don't believe that.

Not doubting you. No clue about the pilots. Probably flew Hillary and Bill somewhere and have never been seen again.

Ya. Pilots is just one example. He had an entire island and buildings and infrastructure. Who maintained all of that? Who were the cleaners? The HVAC people, etc etc. this thing always gets portrayed as a single man blackmail scam. No, this is was an entire multifaceted complex organization involving many many people.

Spoke with someone today who worked with a financial billionare. Recalled a day when said person came in and sat as his desk with a big monitor showing a Bloomberg screen with a keyboard and mouse. They called IT to say the mouse and keyboard were not working.

IT sheepishly admits the monitor is connected to a computer in the other room and the keyboard and mouse are not plugged into anything.

Billionaire thanked them and said that's probably best.

The billionaire is not Trump, but same age roughly. The very idea Trump deals with details is absolutely against everything we know about him.

It's funny to see the libs and CMs talk about how derp and dumb Trump is supposed to be, then now believe he took time to sketch and draft a skit for a guy he knew peripherally.

GMAFB.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/19/us/politics/inside-trump-epstein-friendship.html

If you are interested in this quagmire, an article behind a soft pay wall linking the facts of Trump and Epstein. Some of the "interesting" parts below. The BLUF, Trump and Epstein were definitely friends during a period of time where Epstein was doing pedo activities.

" In the swirl of money and sun-tanned women that was their Palm Beach-and-Manhattan set, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein spent nearly 15 years mingling side-by-side as public friends.

There were lavish dinners with boldface names at Mr. Epstein's mansion on the Upper East Side and raucous parties with cheerleaders and models at Mr. Trump's private club and residence at Mar-a-Lago. In between, there were trips back and forth from Florida to New York on one of Mr. Epstein's private jets."

" One of the young women who later said Mr. Epstein groomed and abused her was recruited into his world while working as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Mr. Trump during a brief encounter in Mr. Epstein's office, and claimed that Mr. Epstein had told Mr. Trump at the time that "she's not for you.""

"In 1992, an NBC News camera captured the pair at a Mar-a-Lago party that featured cheerleaders from the Buffalo Bills, who were in town that weekend for a game against the Miami Dolphins. At one point in the footage, Mr. Trump can be seen dancing amid a crowd of young women. Later, he appears to be pointing at other women while whispering something in Mr. Epstein's ear, causing him to double over with laughter.

Months later, when Mr. Trump hosted a party at Mar-a-Lago for young women in a so-called calendar girl competition, Mr. Epstein was the only other guest, according to George Houraney, a Florida-based businessman who arranged the event. Mr. Houraney recalled being surprised that Mr. Epstein was the only other person on the guest list.

"In said, 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with V.I.P.s," Mr. Houraney told The New York Times in 2019. "You're telling me it's you and Epstein?'""

"Court records show that Mr. Trump was among those who got rides on Mr. Epstein's private jet. Over four years in the 1990s, he flew on Mr. Epstein's Boeing 727 at least seven times, largely making jaunts between Palm Beach and a private airport in Teterboro, N.J., just outside New York."

" In 2000, court records show, Ms. Maxwell, a British socialite who had long been tied to Mr. Epstein, struck up a conversation with a 17-year-old girl outside a locker room at Mar-a-Lago.

Her name was Virginia Giuffre, and she was a spa attendant at the club, having gotten the job through her father, who worked there as a maintenance man."

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My god! Breaking news from… checks notes… years ago.

Keep trying libs, you'll certainly get him someday. Too funny.

Hot take. Murdoch is about to 25th amendment him. 2 meetings with Vance. Dementia is worse than we thought. Dudes frailer as well. CVI is pretty benign and convenient. Could be true could be BS. Would make an excellent cover for something that is more serious. The billionaires know Vance is more of a lapdog than Trump. Thiel bought Vance that seat. Just how to do it without losing his groupies. A lot of the sane rational ones will enjoy this. Plenty held their nose and voted for him. But the true believers. Live with the crazy, die by the crazy. I say this as a person who believes Biden and Trump are both hiding how frail they really are/were.

Medium take. This is a public whipping to remind him who put him in office. The letter was really nothing, and I think Trump took it as a bigger shot than even Murdoch thought it was. Trumps got to know he'd get cooked in discovery. This was a nothing burger. Don't pick fights with people who buy ink in barrels. This somehow gets dropped with Trump claiming victory but the story stays.

FobTies said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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FobTies said:

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Its important for everyone to understand that the "clients" are very likely gov counterparties in...

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you speaking on behalf of someone, teaching a class, or what?

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Yep, teaching people that the "clients" arent random deviant friends of Epstein. They are largely clients of the gov, in deals Epstein brokered. Deals unrelated to underage sex.

Once that is understood, progress can be made towards justice for underage victims. Which is what we all want, right?

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That goes for you too Fob. Ignore the Lap Dogs on this thread. Keep posting

As long as its about Trump and Epstein, its not about the deep state and Epstein. Such a simple concept, yet so hard for many to grasp.

There is a reason both parties did nothing while in control. The CIA/Mossad is the common denominator.

Mattressburn said:

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Hot take. Murdoch is about to 25th amendment him. 2 meetings with Vance. Dementia is worse than we thought. Dudes frailer as well. CVI is pretty benign and convenient. Could be true could be BS. Would make an excellent cover for something that is more serious. The billionaires know Vance is more of a lapdog than Trump. Thiel bought Vance that seat. Just how to do it without losing his groupies. A lot of the sane rational ones will enjoy this. Plenty held their nose and voted for him. But the true believers. Live with the crazy, die by the crazy. I say this as a person who believes Biden and Trump are both hiding how frail they really are/were.

Medium take. This is a public whipping to remind him who put him in office. The letter was really nothing, and I think Trump took it as a bigger shot than even Murdoch thought it was. Trumps got to know he'd get cooked in discovery. This was a nothing burger. Don't pick fights with people who buy ink in barrels. This somehow gets dropped with Trump claiming victory but the story stays.

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Dear Diary...

Amazing bit of fan fiction there.

The good thing about suing Ruppry Murdoch/WSJ discovery of material will take place and possible depositions may take place.

What's your expectation on what that discovery will show?