DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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torrid said:

Maxwell has been moved to Aggieland, the same women's federal prison camp in Bryan holding Elizabeth Holmes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-trump-pardon-epstein-b2800443.html

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Maxwell is currently serving a 20-year sentence for her role in helping Epstein recruit, groom, and abuse young girls. She was being held at a federal prison in Tallahassee. Now, she's at the Federal Prison Camp Bryan in southeast Texas, a Bureau of Prisons spokesperson told the Sun.




That's where they put the high profile ones these days I guess.

https://www.kbtx.com/2025/08/01/epstein-accomplice-ghislaine-maxwell-moved-bryan-prison/

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The prison camp in Bryan is a minimum-security prison for women. It also houses disgraced Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes and former "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" star Jennifer Shah.
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torrid said:

Maxwell has been moved to Aggieland, the same women's federal prison camp in Bryan holding Elizabeth Holmes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-trump-pardon-epstein-b2800443.html

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Maxwell is currently serving a 20-year sentence for her role in helping Epstein recruit, groom, and abuse young girls. She was being held at a federal prison in Tallahassee. Now, she's at the Federal Prison Camp Bryan in southeast Texas, a Bureau of Prisons spokesperson told the Sun.




I wonder what goes into the decision to (seemingly) randomly moving prisoners around like this.

In this particular case - at this particular time - seems like a perilous move to make. If something happens to her in a prison she was just moved to the conspiracy theories will never stop and there will be a lot of unneeded attention on Bryan, Texas.
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Lost this war.



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https://www.kbtx.com/2025/08/01/epstein-accomplice-ghislaine-maxwell-moved-bryan-prison/

Edit: torrid beat me to it with a different link.
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I wonder what goes into the decision to (seemingly) randomly moving prisoners around like this.

In this particular case - at this particular time - seems like a perilous move to make. If something happens to her in a prison she was just moved to the conspiracy theories will never stop and there will be a lot of unneeded attention on Bryan, Texas.

Had a friend whose husband was in the fed pen. (Drugs) They had a young son and she wanted their son to know him. So she would bring the son in for a visit two three times a year. She would always have to check with Bureau of Prisons to find out where he was. He might be somewhere in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi at any given time. They just transfer them a lot. Too bad Con Air doesn't issue frequent flyer miles. LOL.

But back to Maxwell, yes it does seem odd to move her at this time. But since she was being photographed when she was coming and going to the interviews with Blanche from her cell in Tallahassee, maybe they thought people were casing the place?
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Ag13 said:


I wonder what goes into the decision to (seemingly) randomly moving prisoners around like this.

In this particular case - at this particular time - seems like a perilous move to make. If something happens to her in a prison she was just moved to the conspiracy theories will never stop and there will be a lot of unneeded attention on Bryan, Texas.

Absent a specific threat, I would think the most moves relate to certain facilities or care that may need to be accessed. It does appear there may be a slight distinction between low-security FCI in Tallahassee and the minimum-security in Bryan.

To your point, the timing seems a bit unnecessary at this time unless it related to some condition worked out for her meeting with Blanche.

If you wanted to hop to a conclusion, she has cancer and wants to be treated at MD Anderson or such. Regardless, unnecessary attention at a critical time will further fuel the attention on this.
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They either want her near or far away from her lawyer.
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torrid said:

They either want her near or far away from her lawyer.


That's actually something I was wondering about. Surely if she's trying to appeal to the Supreme Court she has some high powered team of lawyers from New York. Maybe they don't need to meet with her very often, but if they do, having to travel to Bryan makes it a bit more complicated.
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At some point I think this will blow over, because I don't think anyone is going to get the smoking gun they want. Whether you like Trump or not, he's not dumb enough to campaign on releasing the Epstein files while knowing he's incriminated in them. And if he was really an Epstein conspirator, he would have to be at least a little worried about that, especially if he didn't win. And if you're hoping to nail Clinton in the files, he's more likely to die than serve time.

I think if there was a ring of pedophiles, it was likely small, maybe Epstein, Prince Andrew, the French designer, and maybe a couple of others. And a few involved, such as Prince Andrew, might have assumed the girls involved were both of legal age (his accuser was 17 at the time) and willing participants. The picture of the prince and V.G. together shows her smiling and seemingly at ease. So who knows? At any rate, it would be tough to prosecute.
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Her attorney is in Miami.

He would have no need to meet with her related to appellate work like currently petitioning SCOTUS.

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I have been to NK


Curious what took you to NK? Not a political question at all. Only asking as I spent a bit of time at the JSA in 90s while in the Army and always wondered about NKsince it seems unlike any other country in the world.
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FIDO_Ags said:

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I have been to NK


Curious what took you to NK? Not a political question at all. Only asking as I spent a bit of time at the JSA in 90s while in the Army and always wondered about NKsince it seems unlike any other country in the world.


Getting some posters from the hotel.
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Im Gipper said:

Lost this war.




Does anyone know if MTG and others are still pushing for the release?
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Queso1 said:

FIDO_Ags said:

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I have been to NK


Curious what took you to NK? Not a political question at all. Only asking as I spent a bit of time at the JSA in 90s while in the Army and always wondered about NKsince it seems unlike any other country in the world.


Getting some posters from the hotel.


Why would he want posters from a hotel?
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No Spin Ag said:

Im Gipper said:

Lost this war.




Does anyone know if MTG and others are still pushing for the release?


Why do you think TexAgs posters would know? Maybe check their social media posts?
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Stick her in Florence ADX or something, and not in Texas.
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aginlakeway said:

Queso1 said:

FIDO_Ags said:

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I have been to NK


Curious what took you to NK? Not a political question at all. Only asking as I spent a bit of time at the JSA in 90s while in the Army and always wondered about NKsince it seems unlike any other country in the world.


Getting some posters from the hotel.


Why would he want posters from a hotel?


Why do you think this poster would know?

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Does anyone know if MTG and others are still pushing for the release?


July 10 was the last time she mentioned it

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BBRex said:

At some point I think this will blow over, because I don't think anyone is going to get the smoking gun they want. Whether you like Trump or not, he's not dumb enough to campaign on releasing the Epstein files while knowing he's incriminated in them. And if he was really an Epstein conspirator, he would have to be at least a little worried about that, especially if he didn't win. And if you're hoping to nail Clinton in the files, he's more likely to die than serve time.

I think if there was a ring of pedophiles, it was likely small, maybe Epstein, Prince Andrew, the French designer, and maybe a couple of others. And a few involved, such as Prince Andrew, might have assumed the girls involved were both of legal age (his accuser was 17 at the time) and willing participants. The picture of the prince and V.G. together shows her smiling and seemingly at ease. So who knows? At any rate, it would be tough to prosecute.


Yes, he certainly is and we're seeing why. Actually, you're right, he's not that dumb. He's smart enough to know his base is dumb enough to run cover for quite literally anything he needs. In this case, defending/deflecting for rapists.

Call them stupid and just pretend away the files. We're seeing it now. Maga is going to run cover for this until it disappears, they already are.
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ETFan said:

BBRex said:

At some point I think this will blow over, because I don't think anyone is going to get the smoking gun they want. Whether you like Trump or not, he's not dumb enough to campaign on releasing the Epstein files while knowing he's incriminated in them. And if he was really an Epstein conspirator, he would have to be at least a little worried about that, especially if he didn't win. And if you're hoping to nail Clinton in the files, he's more likely to die than serve time.

I think if there was a ring of pedophiles, it was likely small, maybe Epstein, Prince Andrew, the French designer, and maybe a couple of others. And a few involved, such as Prince Andrew, might have assumed the girls involved were both of legal age (his accuser was 17 at the time) and willing participants. The picture of the prince and V.G. together shows her smiling and seemingly at ease. So who knows? At any rate, it would be tough to prosecute.


Yes, he certainly is and we're seeing why. Actually, you're right, he's not that dumb. He's smart enough to know his base is dumb enough to run cover for quite literally anything he needs. In this case, defending/deflecting for rapists.

Call them stupid and just pretend away the files. We're seeing it now. Maga is going to run cover for this until it disappears, they already are.


So which rapists are his base defending/deflecting for?
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Pizza said:

Stick her in Florence ADX or something, and not in Texas.

ADX Florence is for the worst of the worst of violent offenders, terrorists, along with some spies.

The fact that she's a woman aside, the Federal Bureau of Prisons rules would not allow her to be sent to ADX Florence as she did not commit a violent crime, nor has she been violent in prison.

And if you wanted her in women's maximum security, it would be at the Federal Medical Center, Carswell (Fort Worth.)
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Rapier108 said:

Pizza said:

Stick her in Florence ADX or something, and not in Texas.

ADX Florence is for the worst of the worst of violent offenders, terrorists, along with some spies.

The fact that she's a woman aside, the Federal Bureau of Prisons rules would not allow her to be sent to ADX Florence as she did not commit a violent crime, nor has she been violent in prison.

And if you wanted her in women's maximum security, it would be at the Federal Medical Center, Carswell (Fort Worth.)


Correct. They have some women murderers in there. Kristen Gilbert (Angel of Death) is in there. Fromme was in there too, I believe.

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aginlakeway said:

ETFan said:

BBRex said:

At some point I think this will blow over, because I don't think anyone is going to get the smoking gun they want. Whether you like Trump or not, he's not dumb enough to campaign on releasing the Epstein files while knowing he's incriminated in them. And if he was really an Epstein conspirator, he would have to be at least a little worried about that, especially if he didn't win. And if you're hoping to nail Clinton in the files, he's more likely to die than serve time.

I think if there was a ring of pedophiles, it was likely small, maybe Epstein, Prince Andrew, the French designer, and maybe a couple of others. And a few involved, such as Prince Andrew, might have assumed the girls involved were both of legal age (his accuser was 17 at the time) and willing participants. The picture of the prince and V.G. together shows her smiling and seemingly at ease. So who knows? At any rate, it would be tough to prosecute.


Yes, he certainly is and we're seeing why. Actually, you're right, he's not that dumb. He's smart enough to know his base is dumb enough to run cover for quite literally anything he needs. In this case, defending/deflecting for rapists.

Call them stupid and just pretend away the files. We're seeing it now. Maga is going to run cover for this until it disappears, they already are.


So which rapists are his base defending/deflecting for?

All of them. Republicans, democrats, all of the above. He campaigned on it, now we're all stupid for wanting it out? Now a set of maga/conservatives want to "move on". They're protected *all of the above* predators. Maybe that includes Trump? Maybe Biden? MAYBE HUNTER!?

And we're just going to pretend they haven't gone about this in the most shady way possible? "We're going to release the files! The list! the video!"

"What files?" "What edit? Oh.." "What list" "Forget the files!" "What about that thing from Obama from 9 years ago!??"

I guess we're all just stupid.
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Queso1 said:

FIDO_Ags said:

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I have been to NK


Curious what took you to NK? Not a political question at all. Only asking as I spent a bit of time at the JSA in 90s while in the Army and always wondered about NKsince it seems unlike any other country in the world.


Getting some posters from the hotel.


Avoid the warm beer.
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ETFan said:

aginlakeway said:

ETFan said:

BBRex said:

At some point I think this will blow over, because I don't think anyone is going to get the smoking gun they want. Whether you like Trump or not, he's not dumb enough to campaign on releasing the Epstein files while knowing he's incriminated in them. And if he was really an Epstein conspirator, he would have to be at least a little worried about that, especially if he didn't win. And if you're hoping to nail Clinton in the files, he's more likely to die than serve time.

I think if there was a ring of pedophiles, it was likely small, maybe Epstein, Prince Andrew, the French designer, and maybe a couple of others. And a few involved, such as Prince Andrew, might have assumed the girls involved were both of legal age (his accuser was 17 at the time) and willing participants. The picture of the prince and V.G. together shows her smiling and seemingly at ease. So who knows? At any rate, it would be tough to prosecute.


Yes, he certainly is and we're seeing why. Actually, you're right, he's not that dumb. He's smart enough to know his base is dumb enough to run cover for quite literally anything he needs. In this case, defending/deflecting for rapists.

Call them stupid and just pretend away the files. We're seeing it now. Maga is going to run cover for this until it disappears, they already are.


So which rapists are his base defending/deflecting for?

All of them. Republicans, democrats, all of the above. He campaigned on it, now we're all stupid for wanting it out? Now a set of maga/conservatives want to "move on". They're protected *all of the above* predators. Maybe that includes Trump? Maybe Biden? MAYBE HUNTER!?

And we're just going to pretend they haven't gone about this in the most shady way possible? "We're going to release the files! The list! the video!"

"What files?" "What edit? Oh.." "What list" "Forget the files!" "What about that thing from Obama from 9 years ago!??"

I guess we're all just stupid.


Wow. You seem very upset about this. Regardless, I try to refrain from calling anyone a rapist unless he or she has actually been convicted of rape. But maybe that's just me.
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Im Gipper said:




Looks like Maxwell attorneys asked for the delay. But that won't keep folks from saying "Trump wants to hide something" as the reason for the delay.
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TheCurl84 said:

Well, I'm checking in on this thread less and less frequently. Reflects my declining interest in the topic. Not because I don't care, but because it is becoming more obvious by the day that this will go nowhere.


The WH called a lot of right winger podcasters and told them to stop talking about Epstein.

Trump lumped the entire Epstein topic into a leftwing "hoax" directed at him personally, and scolded his supporters. The MSM has only focused on witchunting Trump. This has led to most Trump supporters backing off, and marginalizing anyone pursuing the truth on Epstein intel ties and murder.

You can actually see that shift in this thread.

Its a shame. Just like how we all fought about COVID masks and vaccines, instead of demanding truth on GoF enablers and root cause of leak.
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FobTies said:

TheCurl84 said:

Well, I'm checking in on this thread less and less frequently. Reflects my declining interest in the topic. Not because I don't care, but because it is becoming more obvious by the day that this will go nowhere.


The WH called a lot of right winger podcasters and told them to stop talking about Epstein.

Trump lumped the entire Epstein topic into a leftwing "hoax" directed at him personally, and scolded his supporters. The MSM has only focused on witchunting Trump. This has led to most Trump supporters backing off, and marginalizing anyone pursuing the truth on Epstein intel ties and murder.

You can actually see that shift in this thread.

Its a shame. Just like how we all fought about COVID masks and vaccines, instead of demanding truth on GoF enablers and root cause of leak.



Who is doing that?

I want to know the truth. I just don't want the names of the innocent revealed.
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Flown the coop does it often on this thread. Others drive by too with posts painting the topic as an outlandish conspiracy theory. Thats what Im referring to by "marginalizing".

Thats good you want names. But it would be more realistic to flush out details on Epstein intel ties. Less hurdles around suspect constitutional rights and confidentiality of victims. Any names would likely need to be accompanied by charges. Maybe that drips out....one of the main public accusers is mysteriously dead. I don't blame any victims for not participating.
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FobTies said:

Flown the coop does it often on this thread. Others drive by too with posts painting the topic as an outlandish conspiracy theory. Thats what Im referring to by "marginalizing".

Thats good you want names. But it would be more realistic to flush out details on Epstein intel ties. Less hurdles around suspect constitutional rights and confidentiality of victims. Any names would likely need to be accompanied by charges. Maybe that drips out....one of the main public accusers mysteriously dead.


100% agree. Just as long as innocents are protected.
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FobTies said:

Flown the coop does it often on this thread. Others drive by too with posts painting the topic as an outlandish conspiracy theory. Thats what Im referring to by "marginalizing".

Thats good you want names. But it would be more realistic to flush out details on Epstein intel ties. Less hurdles around suspect constitutional rights and confidentiality of victims. Any names would likely need to be accompanied by charges. Maybe that drips out....one of the main public accusers mysteriously dead.

Disagreeing with you and challenging your fantastic suppositions is not marginalizing you. But its nice you filled out a hurt feelings report on it.

I've said what I needed to say on this. Release ALL of the information. No redactions. Media does not have to post names of victims and such but demanding public release of information means all information.

Me, I would rather see some indictments and trials happen IF there is evidence of wrongdoing by actors who have yet to be held accountable. Do I think there are names, big names, who at best may have some splaining to do? Yes, but at the end of the day the DOJ needs to do this job and at least Trump's DOJ is willing to talk about it and pursue things.

Despite claims of coverup, Trump continues to 'allow' the DOJ to look into things.

But I continue to find it quite disingenuous people foam at the mouth on Epstein and whisper like a NYT retraction when it comes to sex trafficking on a scale never seen before under Biden.

I find it disingenuous people want to lambast on Trump and what he may have known / not known and make all sorts of ludicrous assumptions yet will not even acknowledge the role the parents of these girls played in the whole Epstein saga.

And I do find it quite outlandish that Jeffrey Epstein can be both some hack guy who conned his way through life and billions of dollars and at the same time be the most prolific agent of secret foreign dealings making James Bond look like a parking meter attendant.

But, as I have said before, I like movies like A Beautiful Mind and its entertaining to see someone put post it notes, tacks and strings on an internet wall and act like they have uncovered the biggest national secrets evah!
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I know Epstein was found guilty with couple girls as young as 14, disgusting.

That said, do we even know that any of the "workers" that were pimped out to his powerful friends/clients were younger than 16? I could see late teens early 20s, all being passed off as barely legal. They could all just say "Epstein told me she was 18" or whatever. Doubt any girls are on the record saying "hey old man, before I give you this HJ, just want you to know im actually 17". Kind of like how in to catch a predator, there are electronic messages confirming the predator knows age. If that doesnt exist here, its difficult.

Im not saying this to "defend pedos" as many here would like to drive by and accuse. Just mentioning it as another obstacle in ultimately getting the names of guilty clients.

Just one of many other reasons this "Epstein List" is all a giant smoke screen that will lead no where. The intel ties have to get exposed if you want the feds to start throwing billionaires under the bus.
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Challenging me would be quoting something I said, instead of trying to marginalize the topic like this reply of yours below. Its just a simple point, nothing personal. I dont really care that you do it. Its just useless and clutters the board.

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That solves it, this **** is confirmed. Trump and William Jefferson aka Bubba were helping Epstein and Maxwell run an elite pedo society and international arms, drugs program with the CIA and Mossad providing cover.

It all makes so much sense now!


If this isnt lumping everything together and marginalizing the topic, I dont know what is.
 
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