DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:37p, 7/21/25
Its not innuendo. Epstein admited he had intel connections, many around him corroborated, Alex Acosta still hasnt denied saying he was told Epstein "belonged to intelligence". He's a pedo version of Khashoggi. There is really no other explanation for his wealth, other than how Khashoggi got his. I'm sure you believe he was a forex trader or hedge fund manager that ran a blackmail scheme. You can only extort rich people for a short while, but you can broker shady gov deals for decades. Common sense goes a long way here.

If you want to goal tend and downplay it all as "innuendo" and bend over for the next narrative from feds. Fine.


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In reply to FobTies • 12:56p, 7/21/25
No, I will be content providing context when posters miscategorize supposition and innuendo as established fact.

I will leave you with this since its the topic of the thread. I think it very likely Epstein killed himself. I find it also likely he injured himself on July 23, 2019 in an attempt to get transferred to another facility.

I am open to the idea, conspiracy that he was allowed to take his own life. But it is also possible the NY prison management is just that incompetent.

The idea of a client list seems very unlikely. Every last bit of factual info should be made public at this point, unless there is a pending ongoing investigation in which case much of the timing and targets of those investigations should be disclosed. Internal memoranda and incomplete investigations should not be disclosed.

I am entertained by your passion. I think you will ultimately be disappointed and much of what you continue to rely on has long been public.
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1:17p, 7/21/25
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:19p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:

I think its very likely Epstein killed himself.

That would likely have to be based on the "experts", "officials" and or "consensus."

Its why everyone initially believed COVID came from a wet market. The funny thing is, you didnt need the expert authority or consensus everyone always relies on. Literally all you needed was an understanding of 3 things known day 1:
1) How many wet markets there are in China.
2) How many corona virus labs are in China.
3) Where was the epicenter of the breakout.

With only those 3 things you can determine with high probability COVID originated from a lab. Nothing Fauci, the POTUS, or WHO actually changed that probability, but the NPC sheep thoughts were deeply impacted by "leaders".

With Epstein all you need to know is:
1) Did Epstein have compromising gov info. (High)
2) Likelihood of multiple footage mishaps in TWO seperate "suicide" incidents. (Extremely low)
3) The timing of suicide days after arrest before appeal hearing and trial. (Very low)
4) The existence of 1st hand accounts that Epstein wasnt at all suicidal, and was hopeful on his appeal.

The circumstantial evidence should outweigh faith in the federal government, when they have done nothing but gaslight. Just like with COVID. It took years for people to come around on origin when we knew 1-3 day one. No different with Epstein. The truth on Epstein connections to intel WILL surface, but there likely will never be hard proof of his cause of death. The odds are trending in the direction of mysterious death, not suicide.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 1:25p, 7/21/25
austinAG90 said:
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.


Can you elaborate?

Cashing in on blackmail only works a few times and for a short period. People talk. Its extremely unlikey he would be able to extort people for decades. Much more likey did what Khashoggi did, who Epstein was an apprentice for during Iran Contra.

Did you consider Khashoggi as someone who "used people for money". Thats a broad term that could be applied to Epstein's shady gov deal brokering.
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In reply to FobTies • 1:29p, 7/21/25
The comparison to COVID is very poor. And if knew much about naturally occurring viruses and spillover into humans, then you knew very early on the lab theory was more likely, though not certain as spillovers to occur.

The other indicator was its quick spread human to human, indicating a more refined virus which undermines a natural spillover theory. MERS would be a potential example of this. Many many infected camels around lots of people but with high mortality and little human to human transmission.

To the point, you are looking at 3 factors in COVID that may be correlated but not causative.

So its possible that you could compare the two but you would have to admit there may be other plausible theories on Epstein, and correlation is not causation. HTH.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 1:34p, 7/21/25
austinAG90 said:
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.

Even if every single file was released right now, and showed that to be true, they wouldn't believe it.

Video could be released showing Epstein hanging himself, and they'd say it was AI/Deepfake.

The only thing they want to see and will believe are the files showing the people they hate are guilty of a crime. Everything else will get dismissed out of hand.
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In reply to FobTies • 1:35p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
austinAG90 said:
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.


Can you elaborate?

Cashing in on blackmail only works a few times and for a short period. People talk. Its extremely unlikey he would be able to extort people for decades. Much more likey did what Khashoggi did, who Epstein was an apprentice for during Iran Contra.

Did you consider Khashoggi as someone who "used people for money". Thats a broad term that could be applied to Epstein's shady gov deal brokering.

As with the COVID comparison, how are you relating Epstein to Khashoggi? What is the rationale there?
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:37p, 7/21/25
The COVID comparison was about the public believing false gov narratives.

My point was about the probability when you consider all the facts and circumstances. The suicide argument is based almost exclusively on trusting gov investigators. Im sure you were more skeptical until Patel and Bongino said suicide. No new info, just people you percieve to be more trustworthy.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 1:38p, 7/21/25
Rapier108 said:
austinAG90 said:
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.

Even if every single file was released right now, and showed that to be true, they wouldn't believe it.

Video could be released showing Epstein hanging himself, and they'd say it was AI/Deepfake.

The only thing they want to see and will believe are the files showing the people they hate are guilty of a crime. Everything else will get dismissed out of hand.

If it showed a man in a hoodie strangling him, would that answer all the questions?

Most on here, including myself, would like to see the TRUTH come out. More information that leads to more questions that may or may not be answered doesn't resolve the debate.

The concept that people are that loyal to Trump / MAGA that they would ignore reality is bizarre.

What I have seen is people believing any and all theories that paint Trump & friends in the worst possible light no matter what. In fact, there is a common term for it because it is so prevalent.
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1:41p, 7/21/25


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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:42p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
how are you relating Epstein to Khashoggi? What is the rationale there?


Not sure if you read my posts you quote. Here is more....

Epstein worked as a financial consultant for Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi arms dealer, notably during the Iran-Contra affair, where Khashoggi acted as a middleman in transferring American weapons from Israel to Iran. Epstein's role involved managing financial transactions, including recovering or shielding money for high-net-worth individuals like Khashoggi, often through his company, Intercontinental Assets Group. This connection is supported by multiple sources, including Epstein's own statements to journalists and court documents mentioning Khashoggi as one of his clients. Additionally, Epstein possessed an Austrian passport in the 1980s with a false name listing Saudi Arabia as his residence, which some speculate was linked to his work with Khashoggi.
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In reply to FobTies • 1:43p, 7/21/25
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!".The COVID comparison was about the public believing false gov narratives.

My point was about the probability when you consider all the facts and circumstances. The suicide argument is based almost exclusively on trusting gov investigators. Im sure you were more skeptical until Patel and Bongino said suicide. No new info, just people you percieve to be more trustworthy.

But you didn't consider that. You considered some bizarre math of wet markets, labs and epicenter when there were actual facts and circumstances that show a causative relation. Getting the right answer via the wrong math is not something to bloviate about.

I don't take Bondi and Bongino and Kash at their word and move on. I am not sure anyone who posts here has done that. Its the equivalent of "we shouldn't be funding war in Ukraine" was always met with "you are a Putin puppet!".

In this case, not believing that Epstein was murdered because he ran a Mossad-CIA joint honeypot operation for years does not mean one is "loyal to Trump and MAGA and his team are the most truthfulest and can never be questioned!".

Seems like you just say that to squash any dissent.
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In reply to FobTies • 1:44p, 7/21/25


Mike Benz usually has the receipts on this stuff and he agrees with you I believe
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In reply to FobTies • 1:52p, 7/21/25
You should probably differentiate between Uncle Adnan and Nephew Jamal.

Are we also going to tie in the murder of Princess Diana and Adnan's other nephew Dodi? Cause that is about the level of tying people together has gotten to.

Rich, powerful people cross paths all the time. Particularly when it involves clandestine operations such as funding foreign wars where supporting one side openly becomes problematic.

Could Epstein been a part of deals? I suppose so, would not be all that unusual given his ties to Ghislaine as well.

Does this all center around a pedo-ring run by Epstein? That seems like a leap to me. But you do you. I find it interesting, if not a bit fantastical.
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In reply to FobTies • 1:52p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
austinAG90 said:
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.


Can you elaborate?

Cashing in on blackmail only works a few times and for a short period. People talk. Its extremely unlikey he would be able to extort people for decades. Much more likey did what Khashoggi did, who Epstein was an apprentice for during Iran Contra.

Did you consider Khashoggi as someone who "used people for money". Thats a broad term that could be applied to Epstein's shady gov deal brokering.

Having dealt with an EX-Mossad member and having some very interesting talks. Epstein was not Mossad nor had any dealings with them. He was a braggard who talked a big game and did blackmail other pedos for decades. All this makes for a great fictional movie. In financial circles he was a con just like Madoff.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:53p, 7/21/25
You are clueless on the common sense math of COVID coming the 1 of 20,000 China wet markets that just coincidently happend to be at outbreak epicenter, versus coming from the only single virus lab in China at the epicenter. Not sure how thats "bizarre". Do you need a visual map of China with 20,000 red wet market dots, and 1 lab blue dot?

Just like you were clueless on Esptein connection to Khashoggi.

Not gonna waste anymore time with you. Lets just agree its dumb for people to sniff down this path with Trump and Epstein. We disagree on his death and connection to intel. Ok, cheers.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 1:58p, 7/21/25
austinAG90 said:

Having dealt with an EX-Mossad member and having some very interesting talks. Epstein was not Mossad nor had any dealings with them.


Haha the Shaprio defense. If Epstein had any covert dealings with Mossad, they would tell us. They wouldnt lie. Especially someone you have dealt with. No one would ever mislead austinAG90, and if they tried, they would fail!

He wasnt Mossad, he very likely brokered deals on their behalf. Deals your friends would prob have no idea about.

You think Epstein with all his Jew connections only brokered deals with Saudis and others. But certainly not Israel, where he fled to after getting convicted in Palm Beach.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 1:59p, 7/21/25
Do you think your foreign intelligence acquaintance would mention whether or not the billionaire pedo blackmailer was an asset of theirs to you in casual conversation?
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In reply to austinAG90 • 2:08p, 7/21/25
austinAG90 said:
FobTies said:
austinAG90 said:
Many on here are going to be disappointed when it comes out that Epstein was nothing more than a pedo who used people to get money. No Mossad, no IDF no nothing but a pedo.


Can you elaborate?

Cashing in on blackmail only works a few times and for a short period. People talk. Its extremely unlikey he would be able to extort people for decades. Much more likey did what Khashoggi did, who Epstein was an apprentice for during Iran Contra.

Did you consider Khashoggi as someone who "used people for money". Thats a broad term that could be applied to Epstein's shady gov deal brokering.

Having dealt with an EX-Mossad member and having some very interesting talks. Epstein was not Mossad nor had any dealings with them. He was a braggard who talked a big game and did blackmail other pedos for decades. All this makes for a great fictional movie. In financial circles he was a con just like Madoff.

Former Israeli spy and arms dealer Ari Ben-Menashe disagrees
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In reply to FobTies • 2:26p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
austinAG90 said:

Having dealt with an EX-Mossad member and having some very interesting talks. Epstein was not Mossad nor had any dealings with them.


Haha the Shaprio defense. If Epstein had any covert dealings with Mossad, they would tell us. They wouldnt lie. Especially someone you have dealt with. No one would ever mislead austinAG90, and if they tried, they would fail!

He wasnt Mossad, he very likely brokered deals on their behalf. Deals your friends would prob have no idea about.

You think Epstein with all his Jew connections only brokered deals with Saudis and others. But certainly not Israel, where he fled to after getting convicted in Palm Beach.

Well Hedge - you can insult me all you want which is your standard MO. Believe what you want to. We see who's right and who believes everything they read on the internet. Personally I think you're nuts but continue to impress us with your knowledge. And you have no idea who my friend is wizard.
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2:50p, 7/21/25

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In reply to Im Gipper • 2:53p, 7/21/25
Pretty sure threatening to kill a real person you "think" is on a list that may or may not exist still counts as a threat. Brian Allen seems to be splitting a hair or two in furtherance of the Trump-Epstein crisis coursing through the Nation right now.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 2:56p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
Pretty sure threatening to kill a real person you "think" is on a list that may or may not exist still counts as a threat. Brian Allen seems to be splitting a hair or two in furtherance of the Trump-Epstein crisis coursing through the Nation right now.

And as is becoming a pattern, you would be wrong.


He was actually arrested for threats to three specifically named government officials:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.444788/gov.uscourts.flmd.444788.1.0.pdf?utm_campaign=anger-over-epstein-list-brings-federal-charges&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=www.cour****ch.news


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In reply to Im Gipper • 3:00p, 7/21/25
Im Gipper said:
flown-the-coop said:
Pretty sure threatening to kill a real person you "think" is on a list that may or may not exist still counts as a threat. Brian Allen seems to be splitting a hair or two in furtherance of the Trump-Epstein crisis coursing through the Nation right now.

And as is becoming a pattern, you would be wrong.


He was actually arrested for threats to three specifically named government officials:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.444788/gov.uscourts.flmd.444788.1.0.pdf?utm_campaign=anger-over-epstein-list-brings-federal-charges&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=www.cour****ch.news


Am I wrong because the named government officials are not real people?

Or did you miss the point that whether the list exists or not has no bearing on whether this guy can be arrested? Because that is all I was saying.

As usual, your FTCDS flare up causes bad reading comprehension.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 3:22p, 7/21/25
austinAG90 said:

Well Hedge - you can insult me all you want which is your standard MO. Believe what you want to. We see who's right and who believes everything they read on the internet. Personally I think you're nuts but continue to impress us with your knowledge. And you have no idea who my friend is wizard.

Its not about "reading things on the internet". Its about being aware of history and facts around Epstein's involvement with Israel in 80s. Go watch the Mike Benz video posted above, he is very good at documenting his sources. Iran Contra was thoroughly investigated, its not hearsay or anonymous Mossad friends.

You accuse me of insulting you, then call me nuts. Im sorry you decided to post that Epstein got rich blackmailing people (no evidence), and deny he has any ties to gov intelligence (lots of evidence). There is no shame in evolving your opinion as you review more facts.

Early on I used to think Epstein was just a creep who ran a lucrative blackmail scheme. Then I reviewed more details and did more critical thinking.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support the claim Epstein made money blackmailing people?
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In reply to austinAG90 • 3:30p, 7/21/25
austinAG90 said:
FobTies said:
austinAG90 said:

Having dealt with an EX-Mossad member and having some very interesting talks. Epstein was not Mossad nor had any dealings with them.


Haha the Shaprio defense. If Epstein had any covert dealings with Mossad, they would tell us. They wouldnt lie. Especially someone you have dealt with. No one would ever mislead austinAG90, and if they tried, they would fail!

He wasnt Mossad, he very likely brokered deals on their behalf. Deals your friends would prob have no idea about.

You think Epstein with all his Jew connections only brokered deals with Saudis and others. But certainly not Israel, where he fled to after getting convicted in Palm Beach.

Well Hedge - you can insult me all you want which is your standard MO. Believe what you want to. We see who's right and who believes everything they read on the internet. Personally I think you're nuts but continue to impress us with your knowledge. And you have no idea who my friend is wizard.


Was he Hedge?
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In reply to aginlakeway • 3:37p, 7/21/25
Im not Hedge, no idea where that came from.

Austin has no evidence of that derail claim, like he has no evidence Epstein got rich by a personal blackmail op that lasted decades.
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3:45p, 7/21/25
I still can't understand how Epstein landed his very first two jobs as a college dropout. His first job was teaching math at a very prestigious private school in Manhattan and then after getting fired from there after only two years, he was able to get on at Bear Stearns. He must have had some very high connections very early on.
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3:50p, 7/21/25
FobTies, I agree with much of what you've gathered here, except you don't believe Epstein ran a blackmail operation in addition to everything else? I'm pretty sure even Ari Ben-Menashe has said that he collected blackmail.
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In reply to FobTies • 4:02p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
Im not Hedge, no idea where that came from.

Austin has no evidence of that derail claim, like he has no evidence Epstein got rich by a personal blackmail op that lasted decades.


VERY few people on here have EVIDENCE of anything they post here. IMO.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 4:14p, 7/21/25
Heard it on a podcast or read about it on 4chan and believed it = evidence.
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In reply to Gig em G • 4:19p, 7/21/25
Gig em G said:
FobTies, I agree with much of what you've gathered here, except you don't believe Epstein ran a blackmail operation in addition to everything else? I'm pretty sure even Ari Ben-Menashe has said that he collected blackmail.

I never said he didnt possess material that could be used for blackmail. I said there is no evidence he blackmailed anyone, or made any money selling kompromat etc. His wealth was almost certainly generated through back door commissions on unofficial gov deals.

We know he was Khashoggi's money man on Iran Contra. He's been entangled for a long time.

The minor sex stuff was just a special luxury good that kept the deals flowing and strengthened relationships with clients. Did any feds also partake? Probably, Clinton almost certainly. Obama secret service banged hookers in Colombia.

Im open to evidence of blackmailing or kompromat influence, but so far it looks like more Iran Contra type deals that implicate the feds if Esptein "clients" are exposed. I wouldn't be surprised if CIA or Mossad used Epstein material to influence certain people (blackmail), but I dont think they had to.

Epstein likely threatened to blackmail the feds in Palm Beach, and was gifted a slap on wrist. He prob planned to do same thing in NYC and got himself killed.
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In reply to sincereag • 4:43p, 7/21/25
Bill Barr's dad Donald, a former member of the OSS, was headmaster of the Dalton School where Epstein was hired as a math teacher. Really gets the noggin joggin about how many people are "circumstantially involved" lol
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In reply to FobTies • 6:34p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
Gig em G said:
FobTies, I agree with much of what you've gathered here, except you don't believe Epstein ran a blackmail operation in addition to everything else? I'm pretty sure even Ari Ben-Menashe has said that he collected blackmail.

I never said he didnt possess material that could be used for blackmail. I said there is no evidence he blackmailed anyone, or made any money selling kompromat etc. His wealth was almost certainly generated through back door commissions on unofficial gov deals.

We know he was Khashoggi's money man on Iran Contra. He's been entangled for a long time.

The minor sex stuff was just a special luxury good that kept the deals flowing and strengthened relationships with clients. Did any feds also partake? Probably, Clinton almost certainly. Obama secret service banged hookers in Colombia.

Im open to evidence of blackmailing or kompromat influence, but so far it looks like more Iran Contra type deals that implicate the feds if Esptein "clients" are exposed. I wouldn't be surprised if CIA or Mossad used Epstein material to influence certain people (blackmail), but I dont think they had to.

Epstein likely threatened to blackmail the feds in Palm Beach, and was gifted a slap on wrist. He prob planned to do same thing in NYC and got himself killed.

I agree that the bulk of Epstein's wealth came from the things you mention- money laundering and weapons running. A huge chunk of it also came from "donations" from billionaires such as Les Wexner. However, I also believe blackmail was the primary purpose of his intelligence operation.

I've read the theory of the blackmail being willingly given by powerful people, and I've come to generally believe that was what was going on. If you think of government like a gang, then it makes sense. The mafia or any gang will have prospective members carry out crimes, usually murder, before they are given full membership. Thats how you make sure everybody is guilty and nobody can betray the group. Similarly, if someone powerful wants to advance his career in politics or whatever, they went to Epstein, engaged in the criminal act of sex with minors, knowing Epstein now had that leverage. Suddenly, the AIPAC donations open up and you are welcomed into the uniparty.

Everybody knew what Epstein was doing. He didn't nickname his plane The Lolita Express- others did. Others who hung out with him.
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