DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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In reply to Keyno • 6:54p, 7/21/25
You could be right, very plausible, hopefully evidence of a blackmail op surfaces.

I think anyone with access to WH needs to first start pressing on what evidence we already have. The intel ties leads to probing deals that would have money trails and other paperwork. Just like how Iran Contra was exposed.

That then opens things up to possible kompromat efforts, but most importantly it starts to crack away at the shield of protection being given to those who victimized underage girls.

If the primary focus stays on a "pedo ring coverup by feds", its very unlikely any investigation will be launched. They need to start with the outer layer of the onion, shady intel deals, then peel it down to minor sex stuff.
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In reply to FobTies • 7:42p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
You could be right, very plausible, hopefully evidence of a blackmail op surfaces.

I think anyone with access to WH needs to first start pressing on what evidence we already have. The intel ties leads to probing deals that would have money trails and other paperwork. Just like how Iran Contra was exposed.

That then opens things up to possible kompromat efforts, but most importantly it starts to crack away at the shield of protection being given to those who victimized underage girls.

If the primary focus stays on a "pedo ring coverup by feds", its very unlikely any investigation will be launched. They need to start with the outer layer of the onion, shady intel deals, then peel it down to minor sex stuff.

I agree in principle, but if everyone with any juice is a part of the racket, then that's never going to happen. Similar to the Dutroux case in Belgium
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In reply to Keyno • 8:03p, 7/21/25
Yep, and that now appears to include Patel and Bongino as well.

There is probably an argument to be made that the deals intel did with Epstein were productive in furthering the interests of the US. Additionally, the Feds would argue exposing it gives our adversaries the abilty to undermine our agencies, the way we undermine the KGB.

So it becomes a "you can't handle the truth" or "you don't know what's best for you" type of perspective from the leadership of BOTH parties. I dont know how that gets cracked, without a Snowden type whistleblower from within willing to risk it all...or some leak of counterparty documents from outside.
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In reply to FobTies • 8:09p, 7/21/25
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Yep, and that now appears to include Patel and Bongino as well.

There is probably an argument to be made that the deals intel did with Epstein were productive in furthering the interests of the US. Additionally, the Feds would argue exposing it gives our adversaries the abilty to undermine our agencies, the way we undermine the KGB.

So it becomes a "you can't handle the truth" or "you don't know what's best for you" type of perspective from the leadership of BOTH parties. I dont know how that gets cracked, without a Snowden type whistleblower from within willing to risk it all...or some leak of counterparty documents from outside.

It's not necessarily that Patel and Bongino are "in on it" necessarily. It could be as simple as some Mossad agent calling them up and saying "nice family you got there, it be a shame if they got hit by a bus".

But yeah, covering it up on the basis of "national security" seems like the obvious play. The people would have still hated it, but it would have been better than Trump denying any conspiracy and calling all of his followers insane.
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In reply to Keyno • 8:26p, 7/21/25
Yeah, I meant Bongino/Patel are now privy to "national security" info they feel obligated to protect in their current roles. Also, likely pressure from Trump to keep off. So basically, they are the new government gangsters. Maybe they can redeem themselves if they help cuff Brennan or Comey on Russia Gate.
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In reply to FobTies • 8:28p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
Yeah, I meant Bongino/Patel are now privy to "national security" info they feel obligated to protect in their current roles. Also, likely pressure from Trump to keep off. So basically, they are the new government gangsters. Maybe they can redeem themselves if they help cuff Brennan or Comey on Russia Gate.


Get them all
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In reply to FobTies • 8:30p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
Yeah, I meant Bongino/Patel are now privy to "national security" info they feel obligated to protect in their current roles. Also, likely pressure from Trump to keep off. So basically, they are the new government gangsters. Maybe they can redeem themselves if they help cuff Brennan or Comey on Russia Gate.


Thanks for keeping it alive on TexAgs. Podcasters, YouTubers, MAGA influencers aren't letting it die either. Nail em'.
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8:33p, 7/21/25
Is the left creating one huge email scam again? And are the gullible falling for the crazy again? This thread full of pure bizzarro world.
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In reply to bobbranco • 8:40p, 7/21/25
I think some are just waiting for Hunter Biden to give his opinion on Epstein being an international arms dealing financier who has worked at the behest of the remnants of the Safari Club to move money around financing Iran, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, the Philippines and most certainly tangles in a bunch of Russians.

The previous few pages read like a Nancy Drew banged Tom Clancy novel.
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In reply to bobbranco • 8:57p, 7/21/25
bobbranco said:
And are the gullible falling for the crazy again? This thread full of pure bizzarro world.

Reagan being involved with trafficking drugs and guns was "pure bizarro world", before it wasnt. Epstein helped facilitate that deal with Khashoggi.

I know, its super complex and hard to understand. Its like Nancy Drew banged Tom Clancy.

Someone amassing huge wealth and power by brokering back door deals with the Feds isnt plausible. Our country is different, we do everything above board.
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In reply to FobTies • 9:04p, 7/21/25
Reagan trafficked in drugs? Care to expand on that?

To add: if Epstein is all these fantastical things and he was tainted by the accusations coming from a girl whose mom wasn't aware of her hanging with Jeffrey, why wait the better part of 20 years to suicide him in jail with the world watching?

I don't think Epstein was known for being very bright. But there are lots of dumb people who other people give their money to. Now if you were making all these accusations in regards to Ghislaine Maxwell, I would give it a little more weight.

But alas, basic logic shows you Epstein would have been disappeared years and years ago once his pedo behavior was known as that would have ended his usefulness. You kill him in a boating accident off the island, not in the middle of manhattan at a jail whilst the world was hyper focused on him.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:07p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
The previous few pages read like a Nancy Drew banged Tom Clancy novel.

Its kind of what happens when everyone knows there is more to a story than the government is admitting. JFK, 9/11, etc
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In reply to Keyno • 9:12p, 7/21/25
9/11 now. Lord this has gotten even better.

Did Epstein set the explosives or did he provide the blueprints to the buildings as part of a drug for guns for hostages for blueprints for underage girls scandal.

See post above. Epstein was a terrible agent for the CIA / Mossad if so much of his behavior was confirmed by "facts" and detail that no one seems to be able to provide.
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9:16p, 7/21/25
Maybe Epstein was funneling money to Bin Laden and helped pull off 9/11.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:26p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
9/11 now. Lord this has gotten even better.

Did Epstein set the explosives or did he provide the blueprints to the buildings as part of a drug for guns for hostages for blueprints for underage girls scandal.

See post above. Epstein was a terrible agent for the CIA / Mossad if so much of his behavior was confirmed by "facts" and detail that no one seems to be able to provide.

Lol no I don't think there is any evidence supporting those claims regarding Epstein and 9/11.

As with any intelligence operation, you're never going to have everything openly laid out. That's why we take the circumstantial evidence and draw conclusions from that. This isn't a court of law and we are not a jury deciding someones guilt.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:26p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
Reagan trafficked in drugs? Care to expand on that?


No, Reagan was not selling 8 balls on the street corner.

Yes, Reagan knew about CIA backed Contras trafficking cocaine for funding, and illegal arms sales to Iran. He maintained plausible deniability, the same way Im sure you acknowledge Obama was involved in Russia Gate, while maintaining his plausible deniability (an offense which was MUCH worse than Iran Contra).

Reagan was a great POTUS, just goes to show how even the best go back door from time to time.
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9:29p, 7/21/25
Looks like congress will go home for 6 weeks just to avoid voting to release documents, what a sad state of affairs.
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In reply to FobTies • 9:34p, 7/21/25
You do realize Iran-Contra was about taking the money FROM the arm sales to Iran to FUND the Contras.

Whilst the Contras most certainly had drugs as part of the income sources, multiple investigations found no evidence of such.

And if you just helping the Contras traffick drugs, why involve the Iranians at all? Much simpler to keep the two as separate ops.

Reagan wanted hostages and to maybe try and get intel on Irans new regime. Reagan also wanted to support the Contras by Congress had no way then we mean it no way.

So Reagan "allowed" Ollie North and friends some leeway in how they accomplished the goals.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:48p, 7/21/25
I dont have a problem with Iran Contra. Its better for 80s American drug users to fund the Contras, than US taxpayers.

My point in bringing up Iran Contra was two fold:

1) Back door deals with gov exist. People like Esptein make big money facilitating them. The gov works to prevent the public from knowing about them.

2) Epstein worked with Khashoggi in facilitating Iran Contra, which supports the idea he acquired his wealth doing those type of deals, not forex trading or hedge funds.

I dont have a problem with Reagan allowing leeway, and pretending to look the other direction. I do have a problem with Obama giving Comey and Brennan leeway and pretending to look the other direction.
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9:51p, 7/21/25
The information on his ties to intelligence and foreign actors has been reported in media profiles of him over the years.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jeffrey-epstein-high-society-contacts.html

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To bolster their argument that private-jet owner Epstein is a massive flight risk, SDNY prosecutors produced an expired Austrian passport under an alias that listed Saudi Arabia as Epstein's primary country of residence. His lawyers claim the fake ID was for the "personal protection" of "an affluent member of the Jewish faith" traveling in the Middle East, but it could also point to one of his more secretive income sources.

According to his former friend the journalist Jesse Kornbluth, in the mid-1980s Epstein said he "worked for governments to recover money looted by African dictators" and occasionally subcontracted to those same autocrats to "help them hide their stolen money." A source who spoke with journalist Vicky Ward said one of Epstein's clients was the late Saudi arms dealer Khashoggi, a middleman in the Iran-Contra scandal who helped smuggle cash for the Marcos family out of the Philippines. In 1988, Khashoggi was arrested in Switzerland for concealing assets and later faced fraud and racketeering charges in the U.S. (He was later acquitted.)


https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-epstein-hooked-up-jpmorgan-exec-jes-staley-with-benjamin-netanyahu-prince-andrew-emails-show/

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Epstein may have facilitated a get-together with JPMorgan bosses and Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, too. In March 2011, one JPMorgan employee wrote to Staley and another high-level executive, "Against all odds, we have been granted a meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu." Staley forwarded the message to Epstein and wrote, "Thanks," to which the convicted sex offender replied, "surprisee suprise."


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-cia-director-met-with-jeffrey-epstein-multiple-times-report/

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A review of the private calendar of Jeffrey Epstein has revealed that the financier and convicted sex offender had meetings that were not previously reported with several prominent Americans, including the current CIA director.

Epstein had meetings scheduled with now-director of the Central Intelligence Agency William Burns, President Barack Obama's White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler, Bard College president Leon Botstein, and Professor Noam Chomsky, according to the Wall Street Journal…

The meetings in question all occurred after Epstein had served jail time in 2008 for a sex crime involving a minor. Epstein had been accused of sexually abusing girls as young as 14 in Florida two years earlier and was investigated by the FBI.

Burns first met with Epstein in Washington, D.C., in 2014 when he was deputy secretary of state. The now-CIA director also traveled to Epstein's townhouse in New York.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12926465/jeffrey-epstein-list-friendship-israeli-prime-minister-ehud-barak.html

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The Jeffrey Epstein list of associates unsealed by a US judge has reignited suspicions the pedophile financier was an asset for Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency.

Israel's former prime minister Ehud Barak was identified in the bombshell dossiers Wednesday night. He served as PM from 1991 to 2001 after serving in the IDF for 35 years, rising to Chief of the General Staff.

While he is mentioned only fleetingly in the new files - an Epstein victim asked whether she'd ever given Barak a massage - there has long been speculation surrounding his relationship with the financier.

Barak met with Epstein some 36 times and was pictured entering his Manhattan townhouse with a scarf around his face in 2016. Young women were seen coming in and out of the residence that same day.

Former Israeli spies have gone on record stating that Epstein's international sex trafficking was a honeypot entrapment operation - gaining valuable 'kompromat' material to blackmail political and business elites.
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In reply to FobTies • 9:52p, 7/21/25
No one is marginalizing you. You are free to post what your thoughts are.

But people pointing out holes in your theories should make you support them. Simply saying that Epstein and Kashoggi one had a business relationship and saying it supports Epstein laundering money through arms dealings, the CIA, the Israelis is a stretch o don't think many are ready to make.

But again, you are absolutely free to keep posting about it.
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9:57p, 7/21/25
Weird. My thread got locked for being an Epstein thread. Except it's not an Epstein thread. Someone only read the title, I guess.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3550116
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:00p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
Simply saying that Epstein and Kashoggi one had a business relationship and saying it supports Epstein laundering money through arms dealings, the CIA, the Israelis is a stretch o don't think many are ready to make.

Its not at all a stretch to believe Esptein facilitated those type of backdoor deals beyond Iran Contra. Earlier today you had no idea there was a Epstein Khashoggi connection, now you acknowledge it but need more.

There is more. Fat Black Swan above, Ive posted bullet point lists, and Mike Benz has been nails with cold hard facts and docs.
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10:16p, 7/21/25
Over $150mm in a 5 yr period from Leon Black wasn't a back door government deal. It was blackmail among pedos. Epstein was a master at it. That's how he got his wealth.
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10:35p, 7/21/25
How can a person running a huge sex trafficking ring use blackmail as a motive for making large sums of money. Wouldn't his threats mean little because he himself would then be exposed. Epstein was connected to powerful intel and government leaders and was involved in big money trafficking deals and I think that's the reason government doesn't want his files revealed.
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In reply to sincereag • 11:38p, 7/21/25
sincereag said:
How can a person running a huge sex trafficking ring use blackmail as a motive for making large sums of money. Wouldn't his threats mean little because he himself would then be exposed.


Exactly. Just because his friends and clients engaged in very comprising acts, that exposed them to blackmail, doesnt mean Epstein amassed his wealth blackmailing.

Just as word spread among that cohort about Epstein having young girls, so would rumors spread about him blackmailing. It would be a very short sighted endeavor, and it doesnt align with the facts.

I could maybe understand the arguement that the sex stuff might have been leveraged in deal making from time to time. Including his own legal troubles. But outright blackmail for cash payments, yachts, jets, etc is unlikely.

It was Epstein's idea to set up the Clinton Foundation pay for play scheme. He visited the West Wing 17 times in 2 years in Clinton's first term. He was a fixer and facilitator brokering deals others couldnt get their hands dirty with, here and abroad. That pays.
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7:08a, 7/22/25
One thing that i am absolutely sure of is that Trump's relationship with Epstein was totally business. He did not engage in any pedo activity no matter how hard the antichirst left try to connect it.

Trump is not with holding any info to protect himself. In fact the opposite is true, if the whole things was released it would exonerate him.

If he (the DOJ) is holding things back (and there probably is things be held back) it is all the ties to all kinds of ties that Epstein had on multiple fronts and there are many that did nothing but business and their would be a massive witch hunt launched against them. Of that I am sure.

One thing that is not in doubt here, Epstein has a loot ties to a a LOOOT of people, from all kinds of backgrounds. It's a huge mess. And we do not need an 'off with his head' mentality towards any and everyone who had any dealings with him at all. And that's exactly what many want in the name of 'whacking pedos'
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7:12a, 7/22/25


The crazies are out looking for a fast buck.
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 7:36a, 7/22/25
TAMU1990 said:


The crazies are out looking for a fast buck.

Amazing how this just comes out isn't it?
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 7:43a, 7/22/25
She said, "He looked at me like he was in on some secret". Maybe there was an encounter, but saying something like that only hurts credibility. The MSM will run with it, saying it corroborates the bday card "secret."

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump banged Esptein adult escorts. Would be surprised if there was any underage or rape misconduct. But I was also surprised to learn Chris Collingsworth thought the sweet spot was 14-18 before they start to wise up.
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7:45a, 7/22/25
Speaker Johnson has said there will be no vote on Epstein files before they break for August.

Massie is the only one pushing on this, which means its DOA.



This will be an afterthought by the time September rolls around.

Time to move on to more important things.

I'm Gipper
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In reply to Im Gipper • 7:57a, 7/22/25
Im Gipper said:
Speaker Johnson has said there will be no vote on Epstein files before they break for August.

Massie is the only one pushing on this, which means its DOA.



This will be an afterthought by the time September rolls around.

Time to move on to more important things.

I don't think Massie will give this up by September. I don't think the Trump base will either. But it is highly questionable that Mike Johnson is trying to squash this vote in the first place.
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In reply to Keyno • 8:59a, 7/22/25
Keyno said:
Im Gipper said:
Speaker Johnson has said there will be no vote on Epstein files before they break for August.

Massie is the only one pushing on this, which means its DOA.



This will be an afterthought by the time September rolls around.

Time to move on to more important things.

I don't think Massie will give this up by September. I don't think the Trump base will either. But it is highly questionable that Mike Johnson is trying to squash this vote in the first place.


It's highly questionable why so many on the right are just going in lock step and ignoring what happened just to quench Trumps ego. I'm sorry, but he's clearly on the list at this point with so many acting to distract or sweep the list under the rug.
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9:06a, 7/22/25

I'll take "Things That Will Never Happen," for $600, Ken.
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