DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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In reply to flown-the-coop • 5:22p, 7/29/25
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flown-the-coop said:
Sure, its not how I would approach it and I have no excuse for it.

But to me it falls into the realm of Hillary and "lock her up", ending the war with Putin within a day or whatever he promised, and similar.

Look, Trump is not infallible - COVID taught us that even for those who think he has done an overall great job both terms. I even get the folks like BigRobSA who calls him a liberal based on fiscal policy (primarily).

But the jumping to Trump is a pedo because they seem to have changed tack on the release of Epstein information seems like a jump to me. And if he happens to be a pedo, then hang him from one of his new flag poles.


Solid post. And very sensible.
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In reply to OPAG • 5:23p, 7/29/25
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OPAG said:
Many already did come out and say he did nothing and actually was helpful in their case against Epstein.

But that won't matter, ya see Trump is guilty until unequivically proven innoncent by every single victim of this pedo ring.

Well that's not how this works. Remember the girl who claimed the Duke team of rape. That was a lie.

Some of these victims can be paid to lie on Trump. Some are just angry and will lash out at anyone. Some may not like Trump

This is an unrealistic, unsupportable standard, one that can never be met.

As I said, those who have decided Trump is sketchy will not ever back down, There are still those who refuse to accept that he was not collaborating with Putin.


Yep. Seems backwards, doesn't it?
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In reply to K2-HMFIC • 7:26p, 7/29/25
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How long before Maxwell gets pardoned?





Over Under - 1 Sept


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/28/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-pardon-jeffrey-epstein-00479862

Looks like we need to be taking the under.




Trump should ask the media and dems directly what he should do.

1) Grant clemency for Maxwell to spill the beans.
2) Deny her.

You know they are all waiting for him to choose so they can ream him under either scenario. Let them choose lol
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8:09p, 7/29/25
Is he saying that he was stealing employees and they were becoming sex workers for Epstein? The Virginia Giuffre reference would make it seem so.
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In reply to FobTies • 8:11p, 7/29/25
Very true! They finally have Trump cornered on this one. This could be the issue that finally puts him down. I mean who you were friends with 20 years ago really matters now.
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In reply to aggiegolfer2012 • 8:11p, 7/29/25
aggiegolfer2012 said:
Is he saying that he was stealing employees and they were becoming sex workers for Epstein?


No.


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The Virginia Giuffre reference would make it seem so.


Not even close.

I'm Gipper
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8:19p, 7/29/25
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This is old news regardless, no?

Trump mentioning this as a reason he broke up with his bff is new I think, but her working at MAL then winding up with Epstein was know .

And if he was poaching employees after being told to knock it off, Trump would be reasonable in telling him to piss off.
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7:56a, 7/30/25

If anyone is expecting bombshells from the release of the grand jury testimony, I've got news for you, and it's going to make you very sad.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 11:18a, 7/30/25
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HTownAg98 said:

If anyone is expecting bombshells from the release of the grand jury testimony, I've got news for you, and it's going to make you very sad.

That's right, none of the victims were called to testify, only a couple of LE agents.

But it's the mound of evidence informing those agent's testimony that people want released, not just their grand jury transcript.

After all, during a GJ only enough evidence necessary to gain an indictment is presented, which is a far lower standard than that needed to subsequently convict at trial.
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In reply to 74OA • 11:43a, 7/30/25
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In reply to Im Gipper • 12:07p, 7/30/25
Im Gipper said:
aggiegolfer2012 said:
Is he saying that he was stealing employees and they were becoming sex workers for Epstein?

No.
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The Virginia Giuffre reference would make it seem so.

Not even close.

Trump basically admitted Virginia was working in the Mar A Lago Spa and was stolen by Epstein. She herself admitted to being recruited by Epstein.
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In reply to FobTies • 12:24p, 7/30/25
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But it's old news she worked at MAL and was recruited by Maxwell for Epstein.

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In Roberts Giuffre's first interview with the BBC, she said how, as a troubled teenager who'd been abused for years, Maxwell recruited her while she was working as a locker room attendant at President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.

Maxwell had offered her an education in massage therapy, Roberts Giuffre alleged, but she was soon flying around the world in Epstein's private jet.

"I was passed around like a platter," she said. "I might have been meeting the most famous people in the world," she added. "It didn't matter. These were bad people who were hurting me."
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:35p, 7/30/25
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flown-the-coop said:
But it's old news she worked at MAL and was recruited by Maxwell for Epstein.

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In Roberts Giuffre's first interview with the BBC, she said how, as a troubled teenager who'd been abused for years, Maxwell recruited her while she was working as a locker room attendant at President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.

Maxwell had offered her an education in massage therapy, Roberts Giuffre alleged, but she was soon flying around the world in Epstein's private jet.

"I was passed around like a platter," she said. "I might have been meeting the most famous people in the world," she added. "It didn't matter. These were bad people who were hurting me."



Giuffre was also very complimentary of Trump. No issues while she was working for Trump.

This is all old news.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:37p, 7/30/25
I know its old news, or "pretty well out there" as Trump said. He also confirmed again on AF1.

So no idea why Gipper is trying to claim "not even close" when another poster referenced Virginia being recruited by Epstein from Mar A Lago.

Interesting Trump says "I dont know", then in very next breath "he stole her". Im not claiming anything shady was going on at Mar A Lago. Just correcting Gipper.

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In reply to FobTies • 12:47p, 7/30/25
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Gipper is more than capable of his own clarification, but I think the response may have been to the insinuation that Epstein recruited her for sex work and that somehow related to her employment duties at MAL.

She does appear to have worked there and then been recruited by Madame Ghislaine. But there should be no furthering insinuation that Trump knew at the time she had left to become a lolita for Epstein.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:59p, 7/30/25
Thats the opposite of what was insinuated. The poster Gipper quoted claimed employees were stolen from Trump and "becoming" sex workers for Epstein, and then referenced Virginia.

Thats exactly what everyone agrees happened, except Gipper who said felt the need to address it by saying "not even close".
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:01p, 7/30/25
You are correct. That poster can't help himself. Hes hell bent on this "conspiracy". Doesn't care who it takes down.

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1:17p, 7/30/25
Good luck with that.

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In reply to Im Gipper • 1:25p, 7/30/25
Im Gipper said:
You are correct. That poster can't help himself. Hes hell bent on this "conspiracy". Doesn't care who it takes down.


WTF are you talking about "takes down"? Clarifying with evidence or correcting misleading posts by you and others isnt "taking down" people lol.

You put "conspiracy" in quotes like its not widely known that Epstein had ties to intel.
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In reply to will25u • 1:40p, 7/30/25
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will25u said:
Good luck with that.


As mentioned earlier in this discussion, the amount of unreleased evidence the government has in its possession is a bit mindboggling and goes far beyond what was presented to the grand juries.

None of the following has ever been seen, for example: "The three-page index is a report generated by the FBI that lists the evidence inventoried by federal law enforcement during the multiple investigations into his conduct. According to that index, the remaining materials include 40 computers and electronic devices, 26 storage drives, more than 70 CDs and six recording devices. The devices hold more than 300 gigabytes of data, according to the DOJ. The evidence also includes approximately 60 pieces of physical evidence, including photographs, travel logs, employee lists...."

WOW
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7:22p, 7/30/25
So wait. I thought Trump ended his friendship with Epstein when he found out Epstein was a pedophile or something. Now he seems to be saying that he was just mad that Epstein was poaching his employees? Lol
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In reply to Keyno • 7:36p, 7/30/25
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Keyno said:
So wait. I thought Trump ended his friendship with Epstein when he found out Epstein was a pedophile or something. Now he seems to be saying that he was just mad that Epstein was poaching his employees? Lol


I will take complete made up facts for $1,000, Alex.

At least make an effort. The only other rumor about why they distanced I saw was posted here making reference to a bad real estate deal, which frankly doesn't sound right.

Poaching employees, as said previously certain folks take this very seriously.

I also understand Trump thought Epstein was a bit of a creeper and took his attraction to younger females a bit too far. Whether he knew something, heard rumors, or just had the eebie jeebies is unknown. But it's plausible Trump was extra enraged because not only was he losing employees but losing them to a creep who may be taking advantage of them.

But go with your snark and innuendo. It's all those on the left have left. That and Cory Booger.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 7:59p, 7/30/25
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flown-the-coop said:
Keyno said:
So wait. I thought Trump ended his friendship with Epstein when he found out Epstein was a pedophile or something. Now he seems to be saying that he was just mad that Epstein was poaching his employees? Lol


I will take complete made up facts for $1,000, Alex.


What fact did he make up? that is exactly what Trump said.





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In reply to AgDev01 • 8:14p, 7/30/25
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Yea, so what's your point? The clip you posted even says that he kicked him out for being a creep.

Keyon is trying to tie it to"Trump said he kicked him out for being a pedo, now it's because pedo Epstein stole one of Trumps young vixens".

It's simply misleading, intentionally so. But your game is the same. At least get clips that support you vs validating me.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 8:16p, 7/30/25
flown-the-coop said:
Yea, so what's your point? The clip you posted even says that he kicked him out for being a creep.

The point is its important to understand when their friendship, why it ended, and how much Trump knew about Epstein
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In reply to Keyno • 8:17p, 7/30/25
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Keyno said:
flown-the-coop said:
Yea, so what's your point? The clip you posted even says that he kicked him out for being a creep.

The point is its important to understand when their friendship, why it ended, and how much Trump knew about Epstein


And you have provided nothing in that regards but your innuendo. Congrats?
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 8:19p, 7/30/25
flown-the-coop said:
Keyno said:
flown-the-coop said:
Yea, so what's your point? The clip you posted even says that he kicked him out for being a creep.

The point is its important to understand when their friendship, why it ended, and how much Trump knew about Epstein


And you have provided nothing in that regards but your innuendo. Congrats?

Well Trump seems to have provided some new information in that regard.
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In reply to Keyno • 8:23p, 7/30/25
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Keyno said:
flown-the-coop said:
Keyno said:
flown-the-coop said:
Yea, so what's your point? The clip you posted even says that he kicked him out for being a creep.

The point is its important to understand when their friendship, why it ended, and how much Trump knew about Epstein


And you have provided nothing in that regards but your innuendo. Congrats?

Well Trump seems to have provided some new information in that regard.


What part is new?

See post above. Btw- that's from a 2019 NBC article. Giuffre working at MAL is not new. Trump kicking Epstein out of MAL for being a creep is not new. Tying the two together and mentioning the poaching of employees may be new, but I think even that has come up before.

Problem for you Trump Haterz is you have been doing this so long you cannot remember what attacks you have already used and if you do you conflate them like a dementia patient on meth.

Try harder.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 8:26p, 7/30/25
flown-the-coop said:
Keyno said:
flown-the-coop said:
Keyno said:
flown-the-coop said:
Yea, so what's your point? The clip you posted even says that he kicked him out for being a creep.

The point is its important to understand when their friendship, why it ended, and how much Trump knew about Epstein


And you have provided nothing in that regards but your innuendo. Congrats?

Well Trump seems to have provided some new information in that regard.


What part is new?

See post above. Btw- that's from a 2019 NBC article. Giuffre working at MAL is not new. Trump kicking Epstein out of MAL for being a creep is not new. Tying the two together and mentioning the poaching of employees may be new, but I think even that has come up before.

Problem for you Trump Haterz is you have been doing this so long you cannot remember what attacks you have already used and if you do you conflate them like a dementia patient on meth.

Try harder.

I was not familiar with the information that Trump threw Epstein out of Mar a Lago for poaching employees.
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In reply to Keyno • 8:31p, 7/30/25
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Sorry, old news.

Earlier this week it was because Trump was mad about real estate, which was tried to show he wasn't mad about the pedo creep just his business deals are what mattered.

Since that fell flat, we are doing this.

I guess I should just subscribe to Reddit and save folks some time.

Nothing new has come out, which is sort of the complaint, right?

With all this birthday card, employee poaching, real estate gone bad… seems like the Haterz had lots new info to work with but still want to clamor for muh more files.

It's looking pretty desperate. Much like the Russia hoax, impeachment 1, Jan 6, impeachment 2, files, raids of panty drawers, wanted to sell classified Chinese war plans, stormy Daniels bookkeeping, Fani Wade RICO, keep him off the ballot, then tried to kill him… twice.

You ready to give up or are you thirsty for more?!
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8:37p, 7/30/25
Trump doesnt do himself any favors answering Epstein questions on the fly. He should know the press spends hours on the plane thinking about how best to word a question to provoke a mistake.

In this case, it appears the poaching excuse may have been to avoid any other excuses like Epstein harassing a members daughter. That would have other accounts. In this case, the only 2 people referenced by Trump are conveniently "suicided".
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In reply to FobTies • 8:54p, 7/30/25
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Damn, Trump called Holldawg and had her place an order.

That solves it, this **** is confirmed. Trump and William Jefferson aka Bubba were helping Epstein and Maxwell run an elite pedo society and international arms, drugs program with the CIA and Mossad providing cover.

It all makes so much sense now!
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:01p, 7/30/25
So seriously that after he took some of those employees in 2000 (that's when Giuffre was recruited), Trump said this about about Epstein 2 years later:
"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
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9:36p, 7/30/25
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Massie posted a thread arguing against claims Johnson made to the media
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