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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:16p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.

The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.

I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:18p, 8/28/25
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FireAg said:
Preposterous…you have no way of knowing that…

And what happens if you make the move and you get a high pick then and no one you really wanted to spend so highly on at that time?

Way too many variables to make such a claim with such conviction…


It's not me. Every pundit has been saying that since the draft. Thanks for your comment though I guess? That's been one of the major talking points leading up to today…as in if you end up doing a deal now, why wouldn't you have just done it at draft time or just before

Who cares? Every pundit said the Herschel trade was the dumbest thing ever…

How'd that turn out?

I think Dallas has created opportunities…can they take advantage of them? Now that's a fair debate…but there's no question that Dallas is better positioned to make themselves better over the next few seasons with more picks and more cap space…

If you ask me today who has a better chance of taking Dallas to a SB, Parsons or the field, give me the field…
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 8:19p, 8/28/25
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Heisenberg01 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.

How is this better than Mack? They got 2 1st, a 3, and a 6 for a team that typically drafts in the Top 10 vs 2 1st (likely in the bottom 10 of the 1st round), and Clark who is saddled with a $21 million/yr contract.

How do you not even get a Jamal Adams package for Micah?


Clark is more valuable than a 3rd round pick.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 8:20p, 8/28/25
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jr15aggie said:
zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.

The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.

I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.


He'll be 30 in a month…at DT. He did make 2 pro bowls and an alternate spot as well, but again, he'll be 30 on OCt 4…and is owed 20 plus a year
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In reply to FireAg • 8:23p, 8/28/25
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I completely agree with one thing you said... This gives us an opportunity.

If we simply ran Dak, CD, and Parsons back out there for the next 5 years we know what happens (nothing).

But now we have both draft and cap leverage. And there is nothing that keeps us from using one of those #1 picks to get another pro bowl type player.

No guarantee we don't screw it up, but we have an opportunity to turn this into a haul of really good players.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:23p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
jr15aggie said:
zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.

The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.

I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.


He'll be 30 in a month…at DT. He did make 2 pro bowls and an alternate spot as well, but again, he'll be 30 on OCt 4


He's also the best DT on our roster for the next 2 years. Not only is he a good player right now, hes more valuable to the cowboys than he is to any other team.

I think people are really underestimating how big a get he'll be in this trade. He's been consistently very good for a long time and he's been an afterthought.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:24p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
jr15aggie said:
zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.

The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.

I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.


He'll be 30 in a month…at DT. He did make 2 pro bowls and an alternate spot as well, but again, he'll be 30 on OCt 4

And is currently considered one of the best run stoppers in the league…

They didn't just trade for some scrub who was on the verge of sacking groceries in a week…he is a stud against the run…

Know who wasn't? Micah Parsons…

Great pass rusher…below average run stopper…
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8:24p, 8/28/25
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ESPN heads saying we traded away the best defensive player in the NFL. Interesting because I don't recall him winning a defensive POY award.
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In reply to Wabs • 8:26p, 8/28/25
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ESPN heads saying we traded away the best defensive player in the NFL. Interesting because I don't recall him winning a defensive POY award.


36th on the NFL Top 100, but the best defensive player in the league. These guys can't keep it straight.
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8:28p, 8/28/25
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And to the media making a deal out of how the picks might as well be 2nd rounders if GB goes deep in the playoffs... They are forgetting the value of all 1st round picks and the 5th year option.

I too am hoping like hell for a GB implosion and a top 15 pick. But 1st round picks are still worth their weight in gold if the guy is a player. Just like with Micah, the team has ALL the leverage.
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In reply to shack009 • 8:28p, 8/28/25
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shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
jr15aggie said:
zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.

The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.

I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.


He'll be 30 in a month…at DT. He did make 2 pro bowls and an alternate spot as well, but again, he'll be 30 on OCt 4


He's also the best DT on our roster for the next 2 years. Not only is he a good player right now, hes more valuable to the cowboys than he is to any other team.

I think people are really underestimating how big a get he'll be in this trade. He's been consistently very good for a long time and he's been an afterthought.


Got 2 close buddies who've been lifelong packers stock holders. Both were content to get off that $22M a year price tag for Clark. They were fans of his, but that's not a position that typically holds up into the early to mid 30s. Too much weight to carry on joints not designed to carry it and typically gets ugly with injuries post 30
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In reply to jr15aggie • 8:32p, 8/28/25
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100%…the argument should be whether or not we trust the Jones's not to squander the opportunities handed to them…these are the same Jones's show traded away two first rounders for a Joey Galloway who went on to get injured his first year and then had a contract that put Dallas in salary cap jail…

They traded away two 1's for a guy who was never an all pro in Seattle, let alone never even make a pro bowl in Seattle…

So the debate about whether or not the Jones's can squander these opportunities is absolutely fair…but the opportunities to do something(s) outstanding with this situation are absolutely there…
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:32p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
jr15aggie said:
zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.

The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.

I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.


He'll be 30 in a month…at DT. He did make 2 pro bowls and an alternate spot as well, but again, he'll be 30 on OCt 4


He's also the best DT on our roster for the next 2 years. Not only is he a good player right now, hes more valuable to the cowboys than he is to any other team.

I think people are really underestimating how big a get he'll be in this trade. He's been consistently very good for a long time and he's been an afterthought.


Got 2 close buddies who've been lifelong packers stock holders. Both were content to get off that $22M a year price tag for Clark. They were fans, but that's not a position that typically holds up into the mid to early 30s. Too much weight to carry on joints not designed to carry it and typically gets ugly with injuries post 30


You don't know what you got til it's gone lol. Let's see what that run defense looks like without Clark plus huffing and puffing Micah.

It's also a contract that has 2 more years for his year 30 and 31 seasons. It's not like he's past his prime.
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8:34p, 8/28/25
Cam Heyward is 36 and requesting top money from the Steelers right now.

So you can play very well into your mid 30s at that position. For me, I'll be livid when they give in just so they can do another "steeler for life" contract.

I wouldn't be upset at all with Clark's deal for only 2 years. If the draft picks are chosen or leveraged well this is a major net positive for Dallas.

And if Green Bay wins a super bowl in the next 3 years it will be for them too. NFC is wide open so I don't see a huge issue in them shooting their shot. I do laugh about $6M more per year than any other non qb though
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8:41p, 8/28/25
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Yeah thankfully it is only 2 years. Still not digging the 22 per though
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8:43p, 8/28/25
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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If George Pickens blows up like they hope, this puts you in position to extend him. Along with Tyler Smith. A shored up run defense. Quality edges and depth remain. And with 4 #1s on the way. We know the old formula wasn't working. This is a new one.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:44p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
Yeah thankfully it is only 2 years. Still not digging the 22 per though


This is just what quality DTs cost. It's what they are paying Osa
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:45p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
Yeah thankfully it is only 2 years. Still not digging the 22 per though


It's a steal compared to $47 million for Mr September.
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 8:50p, 8/28/25
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Heisenberg01 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.

How is this better than Mack? They got 2 1st, a 3, and a 6 for a team that typically drafts in the Top 10 vs 2 1st (likely in the bottom 10 of the 1st round), and Clark who is saddled with a $21 million/yr contract.

How do you not even get a Jamal Adams package for Micah?
The Raiders also gave up a 2nd or 3rd IIRC. Micah for 2 1sts and Clark is a better deal than the Mack trade, IMO
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 8:52p, 8/28/25
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If George Pickens blows up like they hope, this puts you in position to extend him. Along with Tyler Smith. A shored up run defense. Quality edges and depth remain. And with 4 #1s on the way. We know the old formula wasn't working. This is a new one.


Exactomundo!

And with Parsons gone, we can also tag Pickens which might be exactly what they do.

We are at another crossroads where some of our better players are about to expire. Tyler, Bland... Possibly Pickens and Overshown. We have all the money and leverage we need to establish a new core of young players and draft picks to boot.



This trade was more than a very good DT and two 1st rounders... This trade could ultimately net us 6 or mores very good players that would not be here if we had instead paid Micah 47 million per year.
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8:58p, 8/28/25
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Wisconsin appears to have a state income tax with a top bracket of 7.65%.

That will knock about $3.6M a year off a $47M salary. Not very much more than what Cowboys had offered.

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Wisconsin appears to have a state income tax with a top bracket of 7.65%.

That will knock about $3.6M a year off a $47M salary. Not very much more than what Cowboys had offered.



You're taxed where you play, if I remember correctly. So if you play at SF then you're taxed at 50% of your game check lol.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 9:16p, 8/28/25
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zgolfz85 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.


We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….


But why do people keep saying that? I know it's general wisdom that we may have bc there theoretically could be more teams bidding on him. So maybe we could have gotten a tiny bit more. But people are acting like we could have gotten sturm's deal or 4 firsts or something. That does not happen in the nfl.

We essentially got the biggest haul that I can remember anyone ever getting (if you consider Clark to be a good player), or at least close to the biggest haul. I just don't seee it being drastically better in the spring. And no one was ever doing sturm's deal at any time.
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In reply to shack009 • 9:24p, 8/28/25
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I considered that but was too lazy to do that much research on the topic!
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FTAco07 said:
shack009 said:
chris1515 said:
Wisconsin appears to have a state income tax with a top bracket of 7.65%.

That will knock about $3.6M a year off a $47M salary. Not very much more than what Cowboys had offered.



You're taxed where you play, if I remember correctly. So if you play at SF then you're taxed at 50% of your game check lol.


That's not exactly how it works. Athletes are taxed in each state they play a game based on a pro rata share of their contract income so he'll pay that for home games compared to nothing for Cowboys home games, but Dallas players still have to pay state taxes to each state they play in so it's not the magnitude difference you may think.


Didn't you just say what I said, but with way more words?
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chris1515 said:
Wisconsin appears to have a state income tax with a top bracket of 7.65%.

That will knock about $3.6M a year off a $47M salary. Not very much more than what Cowboys had offered.



That's not exactly how it works. Athletes are taxed in each state they play a game based on a pro rata share of their contract income so he'll pay that for home games compared to nothing for Cowboys home games, but Dallas players still have to pay state taxes to each state they play in so it's not the magnitude difference you may think.
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Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. Deleted and fixed
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 9:29p, 8/28/25
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Heisenberg01 said:
mavsfan4ever said:
Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.


Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?

That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.

How is this better than Mack? They got 2 1st, a 3, and a 6 for a team that typically drafts in the Top 10 vs 2 1st (likely in the bottom 10 of the 1st round), and Clark who is saddled with a $21 million/yr contract.

How do you not even get a Jamal Adams package for Micah?


Jets got two firsts and a third. And they gave up a 4th. Clark's is worth more than the cowboys moving up from a 4th to a third. So we did best the Jamal Adams trade.

Raiders got two firsts, a 3 and a 6 for Mack, as you pointed out. They also gave up a second and a fifth. So they actually got less than two firsts. We got two firsts and a 29 year old three time pro bowl DT, which is a big position of need. Our haul was better than the Mack haul.

The bears' first round picks given up in that trade were #19 and 24. They weren't top 5 picks. The bears actually were pretty good those years. It's the nfl. There is never a guarantee that a team will be very bad or very good.


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In reply to mavsfan4ever • 9:33p, 8/28/25
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We got a tremendous overpay if Micah really is more of a top 30ish player as the top 100 list suggests.

It's very possible the whole aura of Micah has been exaggerated because of the Star that use to be on his helmet.

One thing is for sure... Expectations are he better be a defensive MVP or finalist. I'm not so sure he can mentally handle that. We'll see.
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Guys who miss all of camp and then jump right into the season are always on the injury watchlist
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DannyDuberstein said:
Guys who miss all of camp and then jump right into the season are always on the injury watchlist


Plus his back issue.
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I remember years ago giving up a late first to Buffalo for a 2nd and next year's 1st.

Expectations were that Buffalo would be horrible again and it would be a top 5 pick. Turned out to be a late teens pick.

I think that pick ended up being Marcus Spears and we were the team that had the horrible season and used our pick on D Ware.

So yeah, no idea what those #1s will be. Very possible for GB to have a bad season one of those years and it's a top 15 pick.
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You just can't evaluate this trade without factoring Micah's propensity to fade, and most of the national pundits don't seem to have paid any attention to that. Guys like the dope that wrote that article probably aren't even aware of it


The National pundits don't get the clicks if they say Jerry Jones and the Cowboys came off smelling like a rose in the deal. Everyone loves to pile on the Cowboys and Jerry including Cowboys fans. Paying $47 million a year to a one dimensional defensive player would cripple the team for years but they aren't going to get thousands of comments and hundreds of thousands of clicks saying that in an article.
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