The 25-30 posts you have on this thread tonight tell me you may not be as apathetic as you think
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DannyDuberstein said:
The 25-30 posts you have on this thread tonight tell me you may not be as apathetic as you think
Well it was quite the news day. I'll fall back into apathy here in 7 days I'm sure
Infection_Ag11 said:zgolfz85 said:
It just pains me to know we could've had the deal done at a discount last year. Jerry's ego in stretching it out left us with 2 bad options. Overpay on a stud player with a little baggage, or send him packing for too little (I only say too little because it's Green Bay…do this deal with a middle to lower pack team with 2 mid to low first rounders and this deal is way more enticing)
Eh, Green Bay is the second best team in their division and 5-6 in the NFC. Meaning they are the type of team that is a QB injury, or a couple OL injuries, away from being a below average to bad team that misses the playoffs.
The modern league is too unpredictable to worry about this. If Jordan Love tears his ACL in week 8 this year, suddenly Dallas probably has two top 12 picks.
Green Bay is one of the youngest most talented teams in the NFL. What has held them back the most was Jordan Love lack of taking the next step.
You could literally say almost every playoff team is a QB torn ACL away from being bad. That's such a bad argument to make. The Lions, Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, Bills, Texans are all a QB injury away from being non playoff teams. Just the nature of a QB dependent league. But Green Bay is one of the deeper teams in the league.
Well, a bad argument is also thinking a bad team is going to give up 2 #1s and $50mm for an edge. This trade, if it happened, was always going to be with a good team looking to get over the hump.
I truly don't understand the fans that are against this trade. Anyone saying they should have done it sooner to maximize the trade package clearly are bandwagon fans as Jerry has clearly said he was never going to trade Micah before the draft.
And anyone comparing the trade haul to past trades like Khalil Mack, have any of those resulted in a Super Bowl? The Bears gave up multiple firsts and $141 million for 38 sacks over four years and zero playoff wins.
Is there a single instance of a franchise getting burned by dealing an elite defensive player for multiple firsts?
And anyone comparing the trade haul to past trades like Khalil Mack, have any of those resulted in a Super Bowl? The Bears gave up multiple firsts and $141 million for 38 sacks over four years and zero playoff wins.
Is there a single instance of a franchise getting burned by dealing an elite defensive player for multiple firsts?
Also worth mentioning that we have Sam W, Donovan E, Marshawn K, etc. competing for backup edge snaps while we can't cut Mazi because there isn't anyone better....any doubt our team may be a little better balanced now?
Blame Jerry if you must but I'm not sure the 2025 cowboys are much worse after this trade.
Blame Jerry if you must but I'm not sure the 2025 cowboys are much worse after this trade.
Mike Leslie is being a huge titty baby about the trade on social media. Pretty much thinks the sky has completely fallen. Good news is he's getting hammered in the comments section.
Love parsons, but this trade was great for the cowboys.
Im no expert on the packers, because **** the packers, but I think there are legit questions with them. Love has been oft injured, took a serious step back last year and is turnover prone; their o line is a big reason he got injured last year; their WR core is relying on a 5'10" Matthew golden to be WR1; and their secondary is a major question with all that they are turning over there. Their front seven with be legit, but they are far from the Eagles, Lions, Rams and maybe even Tampa imo.CSWendt said:Infection_Ag11 said:zgolfz85 said:
It just pains me to know we could've had the deal done at a discount last year. Jerry's ego in stretching it out left us with 2 bad options. Overpay on a stud player with a little baggage, or send him packing for too little (I only say too little because it's Green Bay…do this deal with a middle to lower pack team with 2 mid to low first rounders and this deal is way more enticing)
Eh, Green Bay is the second best team in their division and 5-6 in the NFC. Meaning they are the type of team that is a QB injury, or a couple OL injuries, away from being a below average to bad team that misses the playoffs.
The modern league is too unpredictable to worry about this. If Jordan Love tears his ACL in week 8 this year, suddenly Dallas probably has two top 12 picks.
Green Bay is one of the youngest most talented teams in the NFL. What has held them back the most was Jordan Love lack of taking the next step.
You could literally say almost every playoff team is a QB torn ACL away from being bad. That's such a bad argument to make. The Lions, Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, Bills, Texans are all a QB injury away from being non playoff teams. Just the nature of a QB dependent league. But Green Bay is one of the deeper teams in the league.
Southlake said:FireAg said:zgolfz85 said:jr15aggie said:zgolfz85 said:mavsfan4ever said:Pignorant said:
Sturm is saying Cowboys needed a 2nd or 3rd round pick and Edgerrin Cooper or Matthew Golden also if they were trading to an in conference rival.
Everyone on the ticket was so dumb today. Acting like we didn't get much in return. Bob is essentially saying we should've gotten 3 first round picks (golden was just taken) and a second. Has anyone ever gotten 3 first round picks in the nfl? Not that I can think of. And he thinks we should've gotten that plus abscond or third on top? And Green Bay would then have to pay $47 per year to Micah?
That's not even close to realistic. It seems like we got more than the Khalil Mack trade (depending on how you grade Clark), and everyone was saying we wouldn't be able to get a Mack haul just a couple weeks ago.
We would've definitely gotten more back in April during the draft though….
I disagree. We would've still gotten 2 firsts and then maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder as icing. That's fair when the draft is weeks away.
The trade happening now landed us a pro bowl type DT because now the draft is months away. The icing went from a day 2/3 pick to a player that helps us right now.
I would have still been on board with the trade in April, but I think I prefer what happened here. We've needed an impact player at DT for a very long time.
He'll be 30 in a month…at DT. He did make 2 pro bowls and an alternate spot as well, but again, he'll be 30 on OCt 4
And is currently considered one of the best run stoppers in the league…
They didn't just trade for some scrub who was on the verge of sacking groceries in a week…he is a stud against the run…
Know who wasn't? Micah Parsons…
Great pass rusher…below average run stopper…
He had one sack last year.
He also battled a foot injury that appears to be healed now.
Also, two years ago he had 7.5 sacks which is really good for an interior DL.
The sky isn't falling. Having said that, Jerry Jones completely bothched this whole scenario.
The Cowboys could have gotten so much more for Micah Parsons.
You can spin it however you want to but it's ridiculous to say that the Cowboys won this.
The Cowboys could have gotten so much more for Micah Parsons.
You can spin it however you want to but it's ridiculous to say that the Cowboys won this.
Tell one player that got more then 2 1s and a legit starter at DT?
Note Khalil Mack only got 2 1s. (Raiders traded a 2nd basically for a 3rd and 7th). Now the Raiders totally wasted it, but look at what happened to the bears.
Note Khalil Mack only got 2 1s. (Raiders traded a 2nd basically for a 3rd and 7th). Now the Raiders totally wasted it, but look at what happened to the bears.
No one is saying anyone won anything. We won't know who won the trade for probably multiple years from now, because Micah has to deliver a SB for GB, and we need to turn our draft picks into either a QB of the future or another offensive and defensive stud.
I listened to a couple podcasts falling asleep last night. Really disappointed that they all seemed to jump online as fast as they could to record their emotional responses.
Not a single one that I heard was prepared enough to talk about the most important question: What does Dallas's future look like if we paid Micah +$45 million per instead of trading him.
They acted like the salary cap wasn't a real thing... They acted like we haven't already seen Micah disappear in the playoffs.
I was glad to see the comment section full of fans calling them out. No doubt many of them will give us some real analysis today having slept on it.
Not a single one that I heard was prepared enough to talk about the most important question: What does Dallas's future look like if we paid Micah +$45 million per instead of trading him.
They acted like the salary cap wasn't a real thing... They acted like we haven't already seen Micah disappear in the playoffs.
I was glad to see the comment section full of fans calling them out. No doubt many of them will give us some real analysis today having slept on it.
jteagle said:
The sky isn't falling. Having said that, Jerry Jones completely bothched this whole scenario.
The Cowboys could have gotten so much more for Micah Parsons.
You can spin it however you want to but it's ridiculous to say that the Cowboys won this.
Jerry Jones won. Right now, a week from NFL season kickoff, when the fans and media are at their peak hype..... Everybody is taking about Jerry and the Cowboys.
Jerry won.
Whether or not the Cowboys also won has yet to be seen, but I think they did.
One thing Micah didn't take into account is the cowboys brand. No one will care about the packers enough to listen to a linebackers podcast. He may be a star but the media and fans don't care about the packers.
RogerFurlong said:
One thing Micah didn't take into account is the cowboys brand. No one will care about the packers enough to listen to a linebackers podcast. He may be a star but the media and fans don't care about the packers.
No one is the Cowboys, but let's not act like he got sent to Jacksonville.
The Packers are one of the most popular franchises in the league. They have a nationwide following.
- Jerry muffed up this whole negotiation, but. this is probably the best outcome
- Dallas is not competing for a championship this year, building for the future and getting a solid DT which we have not had for a while is a good foundation piece
- Now, Dallas has cap space, multiple 1 round pics in the next 2 drafts + draft capital, and can set the foundation for the team forward, IF they can make the right picks
- Dallas is not competing for a championship this year, building for the future and getting a solid DT which we have not had for a while is a good foundation piece
- Now, Dallas has cap space, multiple 1 round pics in the next 2 drafts + draft capital, and can set the foundation for the team forward, IF they can make the right picks
I said it from the get go; Jerry absolutely botched this, but he was also thrown a huge lifeline when Micah went public asking for a trade.Raiderjay said:
- Jerry muffed up this whole negotiation, but. this is probably the best outcome
- Dallas is not competing for a championship this year, building for the future and getting a solid DT which we have not had for a while is a good foundation piece
- Now, Dallas has cap space, multiple 1 round pics in the next 2 drafts + draft capital, and can set the foundation for the team forward, IF they can make the right picks
jr15aggie said:
I listened to a couple podcasts falling asleep last night. Really disappointed that they all seemed to jump online as fast as they could to record their emotional responses.
Not a single one that I heard was prepared enough to talk about the most important question: What does Dallas's future look like if we paid Micah +$45 million per instead of trading him.
They acted like the salary cap wasn't a real thing... They acted like we haven't already seen Micah disappear in the playoffs.
I was glad to see the comment section full of fans calling them out. No doubt many of them will give us some real analysis today having slept on it.
Most of these podcasters are less knowledgeable than you, and if not, they only live in the here and now. They look for views.
This was a fantastic trade and one many of us have wanted for a while. Parsons is out of position and now he can go get swallowed up on someone else's team. Just brace yourself bc he'll have 6-7 games a year where he's going to record 2+ sacks.
No, I'm talking about the Bryan Broadus, Voch, Mike Fishers of the world. Guys that actually get press passes to watch training camp, watch practices, be at The Star on a regular basis.
Mike Fisher in particular wasn't making much sense last night to me, but I've sorta fallen off his reporting anyway. He's definitely becoming more of a "If Jerry said it or did it, it's wrong" guy.
I just find it humorous that the fans are the only ones who took a step back and thought "$47 million... THAT was the going rate... ruin our cap for our "best player" who becomes a non factor in the playoffs".
Mike Fisher in particular wasn't making much sense last night to me, but I've sorta fallen off his reporting anyway. He's definitely becoming more of a "If Jerry said it or did it, it's wrong" guy.
I just find it humorous that the fans are the only ones who took a step back and thought "$47 million... THAT was the going rate... ruin our cap for our "best player" who becomes a non factor in the playoffs".
I listened to the Locked-On Cowboys reaction pod and was really disappointed that McCool and Mosher were also in the "this is disgusting" or "this is the worst trade in the history of sports" camp. I really like them and think they're both pretty level headed most of the time speaking about the Cowboys. They were not last night.
Just listened to Broaddus and Voch and Bryan is acting like his dog just died. He did bring up a good point that if a year from now or two years from now you decide it's just not working out with Dak, you have the ammo to go get your guy in the draft.
jteagle said:
The sky isn't falling. Having said that, Jerry Jones completely bothched this whole scenario.
The Cowboys could have gotten so much more for Micah Parsons.
You can spin it however you want to but it's ridiculous to say that the Cowboys won this.
Has anyone ever received more than two 1's and an immediate, Pro Bowl contributor at a major position of need…ever…prior to yesterday, in exchange for one stud player?
How on God's green earth do you know they could have gotten "so much more"?!?
They got a huge haul AND created $42M in cap space…nowhere in the history of the NFL has a team received more for a top end talent…
Hell, the Herschel trade with MN wasn't even close to the value of the Parson's trade at the outset…Dallas had to make additional moves to increase the value and effectiveness of that trade when it was all said and done…
It's not just the 'two 1s' though.
Green Bay won 11 game last year and they look to be better this year (thanks to Jerry Jones). Because Green Bay is good, the 1st round picks are likely going to be in the 25-30 pick range. So you got two later first round picks, and an older DT (who's contract is not exactly cheap as the next few years progress)
I just don't see how that's good enough of a return, for Micah.
Taking offers in the spring could have netted top 10 picks. It also could have netted a better/younger player in return, and some later round picks. It would have created a bidding war when teams actually had cap space to do it. Doing it at this point is the year was really dumb, and reduced the payout.
I see both sides. Micah has been a handful to manage, and there are concerns about his health and him tailing off at the end of each season. But if you're going to trade him...maximize it. Jerry waiting until the season is starting absolutely didnt do that.
And as someone said previously, that doesnt make someone a bandwagon fan, because of something dumb Jerry said. He's always saying dumb things that make no sense. That doesnt make people bandwagon fans.
Green Bay won 11 game last year and they look to be better this year (thanks to Jerry Jones). Because Green Bay is good, the 1st round picks are likely going to be in the 25-30 pick range. So you got two later first round picks, and an older DT (who's contract is not exactly cheap as the next few years progress)
I just don't see how that's good enough of a return, for Micah.
Taking offers in the spring could have netted top 10 picks. It also could have netted a better/younger player in return, and some later round picks. It would have created a bidding war when teams actually had cap space to do it. Doing it at this point is the year was really dumb, and reduced the payout.
I see both sides. Micah has been a handful to manage, and there are concerns about his health and him tailing off at the end of each season. But if you're going to trade him...maximize it. Jerry waiting until the season is starting absolutely didnt do that.
And as someone said previously, that doesnt make someone a bandwagon fan, because of something dumb Jerry said. He's always saying dumb things that make no sense. That doesnt make people bandwagon fans.
That's the way I see it.
And the talking points of "both of those #1's are going to be late 1st round picks!". You don't know that!
And on the flip side, if we had traded Micah to the Pats or Titans "both of those # 1's are going to be top 10 picks, this is amazing"... you don't know that either!
Years ago the Cowboys were the NFC favorites... Romo gets hurt and we have a terrible season. Years later, Romo gets hurt again and we assume the worse... we start a Rookie QB and go 13-3 and get the #1 seed.
Two #1 picks are amazing value for any player other than a franchise QB. Pure luck will determine how high/low those picks are.
And the talking points of "both of those #1's are going to be late 1st round picks!". You don't know that!
And on the flip side, if we had traded Micah to the Pats or Titans "both of those # 1's are going to be top 10 picks, this is amazing"... you don't know that either!
Years ago the Cowboys were the NFC favorites... Romo gets hurt and we have a terrible season. Years later, Romo gets hurt again and we assume the worse... we start a Rookie QB and go 13-3 and get the #1 seed.
Two #1 picks are amazing value for any player other than a franchise QB. Pure luck will determine how high/low those picks are.
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And the talking points of "both of those #1's are going to be late 1st round picks!". You don't know that!
Well, we dont know that. But it's highly likely they will be, unless Green Bay completely falls off for some unforeseen reason.
It's not really luck. You can determine the likelihood based on the team you're trading them to.
AgGrad99 said:
It's not just the 'two 1s' though.
Green Bay won 11 game last year and they look to be better this year (thanks to Jerry Jones). Because Green Bay is good, the 1st round picks are likely going to be in the 25-30 pick range. So you got two later first round picks, and an older DT (who's contract is not exactly cheap as the next few years progress)
I just don't see how that's good enough of a return, for Micah.
Taking offers in the spring could have netted top 10 picks. It also could have netted a better/younger player in return, and some later round picks. It would have created a bidding war when teams actually had cap space to do it. Doing it at this point is the year was really dumb, and reduced the payout.
I see both sides. Micah has been a handful to manage, and there are concerns about his health and him tailing off at the end of each season. But if you're going to trade him...maximize it. Jerry waiting until the season is starting absolutely didnt do that.
No bad team is going to give up multiple first round picks for a non-qb it's literally never happened. The Seahawks were coming off good/great years when they made the Jamal Adams trade. The bears were coming off good years when they made the Mack trade.
Only teams that consider themselves contenders will make a trade like this, even if it's made in the spring.
Again, those complaining about the haul should be able to point to several trades where teams got more. But they can't bc it's never happened. And if love gets hurt or the packers just aren't that good, then these picks could be much better than expected (kinda like some of the picks the jets got were better than expected).
And, I will add, those picks can be packaged with other things to move up/down in drafts or trade for players…
Fact is, the odds of Dallas using those two picks to select players as they sit on the board today are extremely low…
Very good chance these picks get packaged for other pieces…
Fact is, the odds of Dallas using those two picks to select players as they sit on the board today are extremely low…
Very good chance these picks get packaged for other pieces…
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No bad team is going to give up multiple first round picks for a non-qb it's literally never happened.
I'd argue a player of his caliber has never been traded this early in his career.
But it's just not about whether he could have gone somewhere else (though that would have been ideal so we don't play him in the playoffs). You're not going to get the best deal negotiating with one team, rather than taking bids from multiple.
FireAg said:
And, I will add, those picks can be packaged with other things to move up/down in drafts or trade for players…
Fact is, the odds of Dallas using those two picks to select players as they sit on the board today are extremely low…
Very good chance these picks get packaged for other pieces…
You're likely right.
But packaging the 10th pick is worth a lot more than packaging the 28th pick. The value is still the value.
I'm fine trading Micah. I think that might be the best for both parties. I just think Jerry always picks the dumbest way to do things.
jr15aggie said:
That's the way I see it.
And the talking points of "both of those #1's are going to be late 1st round picks!". You don't know that!
And on the flip side, if we had traded Micah to the Pats or Titans "both of those # 1's are going to be top 10 picks, this is amazing"... you don't know that either!
Years ago the Cowboys were the NFC favorites... Romo gets hurt and we have a terrible season. Years later, Romo gets hurt again and we assume the worse... we start a Rookie QB and go 13-3 and get the #1 seed.
Two #1 picks are amazing value for any player other than a franchise QB. Pure luck will determine how high/low those picks are.
Exactly.. and even if they're late round picks there are instant studs that go every year in that range.
Cooper DeJean one of them I was banging the table for 2 years ago. It's endless. I'll take 2 additional chances at the end of the 1st round and Kenny for Micah. If GB slips, even better
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No bad team is going to give up multiple first round picks for a non-qb it's literally never happened.
I'd argue a player of his caliber has never been traded this early in his career.
But it's just not about whether he could have gone somewhere else (though that would have been ideal so we don't play him in the playoffs). You're not going to get the best deal negotiating with one team, rather than taking bids from multiple.
I'd argue you're wrong…
I hate to beat a dead horse, but Herschel was in the 5th year of his pro career and really the only proven, stud on the roster when he was traded…Landry and Schramm acquired him to be the cornerstone of the franchise…the foundation to build around…
After stewing on this for a bit I've come to the conclusion that this is the right move and I actually applaud the Jones' for their willingness to move on from their historical "save our guys at all costs" mentality. It was somewhat botched on timing, but this is as much to do with Parsons as Jerry.
In the end we get rid of a likely locker room cancer and have the "potential" of two really solid additional first round picks...and an upgrade at DT.
Regardless of how the Packers do this year, you can move up or down with the additional pick to get your guy, if that's the call, or to stockpile picks.
I want a Houston Texans type rebuild. Use the next two years to set up the next 5-10. Get your future QB and upgrade your OL and DL with young talent and see where it goes.
In the end we get rid of a likely locker room cancer and have the "potential" of two really solid additional first round picks...and an upgrade at DT.
Regardless of how the Packers do this year, you can move up or down with the additional pick to get your guy, if that's the call, or to stockpile picks.
I want a Houston Texans type rebuild. Use the next two years to set up the next 5-10. Get your future QB and upgrade your OL and DL with young talent and see where it goes.
It sure is…but what about packaging Dallas's two 1's next year to move up into the top 3 spots? Hell, some would argue that's overpaying, but even with the low GB 1 (if it works out that way), and Dallas's mid round 1 of their own (again, if it works out that way) could still package those and move up to a better spot if they want, if they find a trading partner wanting to move back…
It literally happens all the time in the NFL draft…
The argument folks should be having (and I said this last night as well) is whether or not the Jones's are smart enough to take the opportunities they now have and flip them into something(s) that overall are better than the 1 player they gave up?
THAT is a fair argument to have…
But arguing whether or not potential opportunities have been created with two additional 1's and $42M in cap space is absurd…
Dallas is MUCH better positioned to make some impact moves now that would more positive for the franchise as whole moving forward than overpaying Parsons and continuing to try to compete while constantly in salary cap jail…
Now will they do something better or **** it up? THAT is a fair question, but arguing that the potential for great things isn't present after this trade is completely absurd…
It literally happens all the time in the NFL draft…
The argument folks should be having (and I said this last night as well) is whether or not the Jones's are smart enough to take the opportunities they now have and flip them into something(s) that overall are better than the 1 player they gave up?
THAT is a fair argument to have…
But arguing whether or not potential opportunities have been created with two additional 1's and $42M in cap space is absurd…
Dallas is MUCH better positioned to make some impact moves now that would more positive for the franchise as whole moving forward than overpaying Parsons and continuing to try to compete while constantly in salary cap jail…
Now will they do something better or **** it up? THAT is a fair question, but arguing that the potential for great things isn't present after this trade is completely absurd…
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