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I hate to beat a dead horse, but Herschel was in the 5th year of his pro career and really the only proven, stud on the roster when he was traded…Landry and Schramm acquired him to be the cornerstone of the franchise…the foundation to build around…
RogerFurlong said:
One thing Micah didn't take into account is the cowboys brand. No one will care about the packers enough to listen to a linebackers podcast. He may be a star but the media and fans don't care about the packers.
FireAg said:
It sure is…but what about packaging Dallas's two 1's next year to move up into the top 3 spots? Hell, some would argue that's overpaying, but even with the low GB 1 (if it works out that way), and Dallas's mid round 1 of their own (again, if it works out that way) could still package those and move up to a better spot if they want, if they find a trading partner wanting to move back…
It literally happens all the time in the NFL draft…
The argument folks should be having (and I said this last night as well) is whether or not the Jones's are smart enough to take the opportunities they now have and flip them into something(s) that overall are better than the 1 player they gave up?
THAT is a fair argument to have…
But arguing whether or not potential opportunities have been created with two additional 1's and $42M in cap space is absurd…
Dallas is MUCH better positioned to make some impact moves now that would more positive for the franchise as whole moving forward than overpaying Parsons and continuing to try to compete while constantly in salary cap jail…
Now will they do something better or **** it up? THAT is a fair question, but arguing that the potential for great things isn't present after this trade is completely absurd…
AgGrad99 said:FireAg said:
It sure is…but what about packaging Dallas's two 1's next year to move up into the top 3 spots? Hell, some would argue that's overpaying, but even with the low GB 1 (if it works out that way), and Dallas's mid round 1 of their own (again, if it works out that way) could still package those and move up to a better spot if they want, if they find a trading partner wanting to move back…
It literally happens all the time in the NFL draft…
The argument folks should be having (and I said this last night as well) is whether or not the Jones's are smart enough to take the opportunities they now have and flip them into something(s) that overall are better than the 1 player they gave up?
THAT is a fair argument to have…
But arguing whether or not potential opportunities have been created with two additional 1's and $42M in cap space is absurd…
Dallas is MUCH better positioned to make some impact moves now that would more positive for the franchise as whole moving forward than overpaying Parsons and continuing to try to compete while constantly in salary cap jail…
Now will they do something better or **** it up? THAT is a fair question, but arguing that the potential for great things isn't present after this trade is completely absurd…
Again, I'm not arguing most of that. I'm not against trading Micah, and avoiding his salary cap hit.
But whether they package them or not doesnt change anything. The value of the pick, is the value of the pick whether you use it or package it. Higher picks are worth more in either case.
I agree with you about the Cowboys opportunities. What if we had even more capital, and opportunity, because he did this in the Spring, and didnt wait until the first week of the season? Isn't more, better?
My only issue is the way Jerry did it, not that he did it.
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I don't think he gets more.
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No bad team is going to give up multiple first round picks for a non-qb it's literally never happened.
I'd argue a player of his caliber has never been traded this early in his career.
But it's just not about whether he could have gone somewhere else (though that would have been ideal so we don't play him in the playoffs). You're not going to get the best deal negotiating with one team, rather than taking bids from multiple.
ramblin_ag02 said:
I've already stated I like the trade, but this does nothing to quiet the rumors that the Jones boys are cash strapped. I wonder how much of their new shiny cap space will actually get used? We've been sitting on tens of millions of cap space for years
AgBQ-00 said:
Oh and something that is still rubbing me the wrong way is the "Oh my back hurts" malingering that Parsons and his agent did. That should be something that earns some sort of penalty for both agent and player. I know they can't do that. But it grinds my gears
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I don't think he gets more.
He dang sure should have tried. I guarantee this wouldnt have been his only offer if he opened Micah up to a trade in the spring. And that's kind of a primary job for a GM...to maximize his assets to improve the roster.
But Jerry obviously wasn't planning this, or their future, in the spring (Like most GMs with a plan would have done)
double aught said:RogerFurlong said:
One thing Micah didn't take into account is the cowboys brand. No one will care about the packers enough to listen to a linebackers podcast. He may be a star but the media and fans don't care about the packers.
Well I would hope he didn't take that into account. "How does this effect my podcast?" It's a complete non factor.
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But who else in their right mind is trading for Micah, knowing they are going to have to pay him almost 50 million per year? As has been stated here, Micah is a final piece, not a building block to a franchise
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Dallas got tremendous value and opportunity yesterday,
Tksymm7 said:
I think people also lose sight of the fact that we aren't playing the GM/Agent/Owner game, and it's not our money on the line here.
We've now seen it twice in the same calendar year in Dallas; trading franchise pieces because the contracts the players were due and the people receiving them may not have been the best people to give them too (not the only reason for micah but part of it im sure). If you as an owner don't want to pay less than stellar character individuals market setting numbers, I understand it. I may not like it, but I understand it.
AgGrad99 said:FireAg said:
It sure is…but what about packaging Dallas's two 1's next year to move up into the top 3 spots? Hell, some would argue that's overpaying, but even with the low GB 1 (if it works out that way), and Dallas's mid round 1 of their own (again, if it works out that way) could still package those and move up to a better spot if they want, if they find a trading partner wanting to move back…
It literally happens all the time in the NFL draft…
The argument folks should be having (and I said this last night as well) is whether or not the Jones's are smart enough to take the opportunities they now have and flip them into something(s) that overall are better than the 1 player they gave up?
THAT is a fair argument to have…
But arguing whether or not potential opportunities have been created with two additional 1's and $42M in cap space is absurd…
Dallas is MUCH better positioned to make some impact moves now that would more positive for the franchise as whole moving forward than overpaying Parsons and continuing to try to compete while constantly in salary cap jail…
Now will they do something better or **** it up? THAT is a fair question, but arguing that the potential for great things isn't present after this trade is completely absurd…
Again, I'm not arguing most of that. I'm not against trading Micah, and avoiding his salary cap hit.
But whether they package them or not doesnt change anything. The value of the pick, is the value of the pick whether you use it or package it. Higher picks are worth more in either case.
I agree with you about the Cowboys opportunities. What if we had even more capital, and opportunity, because he did this in the Spring, and didnt wait until the first week of the season? Isn't more, better?
My only issue is the way Jerry did it, not that he did it.
shack009 said:
Adding to that, he's also very small along with giving 100% on every play. That makes for a great player in September and October, but there's a reason he has consistently wilted in December and January.
It would surprise nobody on here if he also started to break down sooner than most for those same reasons.
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People continue to make two major mistakes when evaluating what went down yesterday:
1. The value of the picks they acquired that can be created when packaged with their own picks, and…
2. The huge cap space vacuum created they Dallas can use next year to bring in multiple, significant contributors…
Macarthur said:shack009 said:
Adding to that, he's also very small along with giving 100% on every play. That makes for a great player in September and October, but there's a reason he has consistently wilted in December and January.
It would surprise nobody on here if he also started to break down sooner than most for those same reasons.
I think this is a very valid point. I just don't see this guy being effective into his 30's. He's already taken a ton of punishment and he doesn't have a governor.
I also think that's something that hinders his effectivness against the run. He runs himself out of so many plays.
AgGrad99 said:Macarthur said:shack009 said:
Adding to that, he's also very small along with giving 100% on every play. That makes for a great player in September and October, but there's a reason he has consistently wilted in December and January.
It would surprise nobody on here if he also started to break down sooner than most for those same reasons.
I think this is a very valid point. I just don't see this guy being effective into his 30's. He's already taken a ton of punishment and he doesn't have a governor.
I also think that's something that hinders his effectivness against the run. He runs himself out of so many plays.
Agreed.
I'll be curious to see if he trails off at the end of the year for GB, like he has the cowboys. I'd guess he will.
