****** The Official Houston Texans Thread 2025 ******

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Texan_Aggie
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Snake Jazz said:

Texan_Aggie said:

The reality is that Houston can sell tickets by being "good", at least much more easily than being awful. Being good keeps the money flowing in. They can always quell annual interest with a marquis signing of a player or coach.

I think the Texans' brass learned this once Deshaun bounced and they were unwatchable the next 3 years.

I take this as "all Cal wants to do is win enough to sell tickets." This is all Drayton McClane ever cared about...have a few marquee stars and make a playoff run every year, but let your farm system go to hell and fill in the roster with "has beens" or journeymen and go sell some souvenirs.

Maybe Cal is that way, but I doubt it. I really don't think Caserio or Ryans is wired that way, either.

I don't think they are, but I think the risk/reward calculus is way to skewed in signing CJ. It makes too much sense from a business standpoint to let him go unless they are convinced there's a clear upgrade they can draft or sign.

Cutting bait means you rebuild every 4-5 years. Fans won't watch when you do it. You have to spread the tanks out at least 8-10 years.
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In a surprise week 1 rating, Cam Robinson was about the same as Tunsil in pass block rating. Ersery not the best, but also not surprising considering he's a rookie vs one of the best D-Lines starting at a position he really hasn't had any meaningful experience at.
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IrishAg said:



In a surprise week 1 rating, Cam Robinson was about the same as Tunsil in pass block rating. Ersery not the best, but also not surprising considering he's a rookie vs one of the best D-Lines starting at a position he really hasn't had any meaningful experience at.


Tunsil had a 79 overall and 84.1 pass blocking grade (6th out of 81 tackles) from PFF.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laremy-tunsil/10647

Cam had a 66.3 overall and 57.8 pass blocking grade (49th out of 81 tackles) from PFF. 60 is an average performance.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cam-robinson/11789

Those are pretty far apart. The Twitter account with 82 replies claims to be an amalgamation of PFF and SiS. I can't find any SiS ratings online, much less a meaningful amalgamation of the two.

Of course Cam was going to be a downgrade compared to Tunsil given the $ and relative desirability of each. The fact that Cam was considered close to average for a game is a win at the position.

Ersery had an overall grade of 41.6 and a pass blocking grade of 29.6 (73rd out of 81 tackles).
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/aireontae-ersery/129649

Anything below 40 PFF suggests the tackle is subtly rushing the quarterback (or tackling the RB) himself, albeit with his back turned.

Bringing in Tomlinson (soon to be et al.) at LG to replace the Green debacle is Caserio's true crime though. Tomlinson's PFF score must have had Kenyon chortling to himself - 44.5 overall and 38.8 pass blocking (68th out of 78 Gs).
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laken-tomlinson/9461
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Faustus said:

IrishAg said:



In a surprise week 1 rating, Cam Robinson was about the same as Tunsil in pass block rating. Ersery not the best, but also not surprising considering he's a rookie vs one of the best D-Lines starting at a position he really hasn't had any meaningful experience at.


Tunsil had a 79 overall and 84.1 pass blocking grade (6th out of 81 tackles) from PFF.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laremy-tunsil/10647

Cam had a 66.3 overall and 57.8 pass blocking grade (49th out of 81 tackles) from PFF. 60 is an average performance.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cam-robinson/11789

Those are pretty far apart. The Twitter account with 82 replies claims to be an amalgamation of PFF and SiS. I can't find any SiS ratings online, much less a meaningful amalgamation of the two.

Of course Cam was going to be a downgrade compared to Tunsil given the $ and relative desirability of each. The fact that Cam was considered close to average for a game is a win at the position.

Ersery had an overall grade of 41.6 and a pass blocking grade of 29.6 (73rd out of 81 tackles).
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/aireontae-ersery/129649

Anything below 40 PFF suggests the tackle is subtly rushing the quarterback (or tackling the RB) himself, albeit with his back turned.

Bringing in Tomlinson (soon to be et al.) at LG to replace the Green debacle is Caserio's true crime though. Tomlinson's PFF score must have had Kenyon chortling to himself - 44.5 overall and 38.8 pass blocking (68th out of 78 Gs).
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laken-tomlinson/9461

Overall, the real crime of anyone was doing what they went out of their way to say they were getting away from. They showed everyone that they wanted people at specific positions to make sure they learned that position and could focus on it...and what do we do in the first game, RG gets hurt before the game, so we move a rookie, who only played LT in the preseason, to RT, moved the RT to RG, and then started someone who has barely practiced or played at LT. I can't express how much that annoyed the **** out of me, and how worried it made me for this year before the first game was played.

Overall I was just surprised that Cam had someone saying he looked halfway decent, considering he barely practiced.
IrishAg
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So was digging into all of their rankings for PFF (I completely forgot I had a subscription right now)

So overall scores are:

  • Andrews at center graded at 64.7 to rank 14 out of 32
  • Howard at RG grade 66.5 to rank 22 out of 65
  • Tomlinson (as you said) was a horrible 44.5 to rank 58 out of 65
  • Robinson at LT was 66.3 and 23rd out of 65
  • Ersery was an abused 41.6 ranking 62nd out of 65
Jet's the winners in the draft with Membou being the top tackle at 89 score.

Other rookies of note at tackle
Kelivn Banks ranks 17th overall with 69.1
Will Campbell at 18th with 68.2
Josh Conerly at 54th with 53.4
Josh Simmons at 56th at 51
Drunken Overseas Bettor
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The Texans now feel like the other times the Texans have been "good."

They can win the division, they might string a few wins in a row, they're good for a win on national TV. but they are a giant step below the top tier. They'll host and win a wild card game and they'll play decent in a divisional road game and lose.

Watching Buffalo and Baltimore play - it doesn't even seem like the Texans play in in the same league as those 2, despite us beating Buffalo last year.

It's a lot like the Aggies - we're good for an upset, but it's hard to imagine them in the playoffs making big plays on a giant stage.
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maybe it's unfair, but I just scratch my head sometimes that CJ not only can't seem to escape defenders, but he manages to lose a crap ton of extra yards running straight backwards.

I look at other mobile QB's and it seems like they are much more elusive. I guess it's just a different type of speed/quickness/instinct where he's not quite at that "elite" level.
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IrishAg said:

Faustus said:

IrishAg said:



In a surprise week 1 rating, Cam Robinson was about the same as Tunsil in pass block rating. Ersery not the best, but also not surprising considering he's a rookie vs one of the best D-Lines starting at a position he really hasn't had any meaningful experience at.


Tunsil had a 79 overall and 84.1 pass blocking grade (6th out of 81 tackles) from PFF.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laremy-tunsil/10647

Cam had a 66.3 overall and 57.8 pass blocking grade (49th out of 81 tackles) from PFF. 60 is an average performance.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cam-robinson/11789

Those are pretty far apart. The Twitter account with 82 replies claims to be an amalgamation of PFF and SiS. I can't find any SiS ratings online, much less a meaningful amalgamation of the two.

Of course Cam was going to be a downgrade compared to Tunsil given the $ and relative desirability of each. The fact that Cam was considered close to average for a game is a win at the position.

Ersery had an overall grade of 41.6 and a pass blocking grade of 29.6 (73rd out of 81 tackles).
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/aireontae-ersery/129649

Anything below 40 PFF suggests the tackle is subtly rushing the quarterback (or tackling the RB) himself, albeit with his back turned.

Bringing in Tomlinson (soon to be et al.) at LG to replace the Green debacle is Caserio's true crime though. Tomlinson's PFF score must have had Kenyon chortling to himself - 44.5 overall and 38.8 pass blocking (68th out of 78 Gs).
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laken-tomlinson/9461

Overall, the real crime of anyone was doing what they went out of their way to say they were getting away from. They showed everyone that they wanted people at specific positions to make sure they learned that position and could focus on it...and what do we do in the first game, RG gets hurt before the game, so we move a rookie, who only played LT in the preseason, to RT, moved the RT to RG, and then started someone who has barely practiced or played at LT. I can't express how much that annoyed the **** out of me, and how worried it made me for this year before the first game was played.

Overall I was just surprised that Cam had someone saying he looked halfway decent, considering he barely practiced.


That was my first thought as well. Completely re-juggling the entire line because 1 guy gets injured seems like a total unforced error. I get that that may be the best 5 O Linemen "on paper" but if they're all playing out of position that kinda goes out the window in my book.

At a minimum, if this is your plan, you gotta prep for it and practice all these contingencies. But, as far as I am aware, they didn't.
IrishAg
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Diggity said:

maybe it's unfair, but I just scratch my head sometimes that CJ not only can't seem to escape defenders, but he manages to lose a crap ton of extra yards running straight backwards.

I look at other mobile QB's and it seems like they are much more elusive. I guess it's just a different type of speed/quickness/instinct where he's not quite at that "elite" level.

I don't think CJ has ever been labeled a mobile QB. I thought he was always labeled a pocket passer?
Aust Ag
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He is…when he actually has a pocket.
JCA1
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IrishAg said:

Diggity said:

maybe it's unfair, but I just scratch my head sometimes that CJ not only can't seem to escape defenders, but he manages to lose a crap ton of extra yards running straight backwards.

I look at other mobile QB's and it seems like they are much more elusive. I guess it's just a different type of speed/quickness/instinct where he's not quite at that "elite" level.

I don't think CJ has ever been labeled a mobile QB. I thought he was always labeled a pocket passer?


He is but he's more mobile than the Manning/Brady/etc pocket passers and has shown the ability to escape. The complaints are he seems to be developing some bad habits like immediately running backward when he senses pressure. Not only does this sometimes result in him running into the passrush but it also results in much greater losses when he is sacked. You can overcome a 3 yard sack. Really hard to overcome a 13 yard sack.
Drunken Overseas Bettor
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He's obviously athletic enough to burn a defense though. He should watch how Mahomes runs the ball. He's not a burner or a bruiser but he sees where there's space and runs to it. He had 9 carries for 57 yards last week.

If CJ could just get it into his head that if eveybody's covered, you run as far as you can and slide, the Texans would have infinitely more opportunities to spread the field or even run the ball. The Texans could turn a lot of teams with some designed shotgun draws for CJ, because right now, every defense knows he's not going anywhere unless under duress, so nobody has to put a spy on him.

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Drunken Overseas Bettor
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A Mini-Texans Bingo Update since the main event isn't until tonight.
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SAY IT AIN'T SO, JOE
Joe Burrow is officially out of the competition for passing yards and TD since it looks like's done for at least 3 months aka the whole season. Welcome to the world of Sports Bingo, where a pick that seems great one day is now total garbage! Ask our Astro Bingo contestants about all of their Yordan Alvarez picks back in March if you want to feel some empathy. If you notice a big shiny red spot in your picks today, that means you picked him for one or both of the pass leader categories.

OVERS/UNDERS
Let's all say it together - we are concerned about the Colts. Beating terrible Miami Week 1 was who cares, but they beat a Denver team that has a good defense and should challenge for a wild card spot yesterday to get to 2-0. Their O/U for the year is only 7.5. Granted, they only won because the Broncos' special teams are morons, but they played really well on defense, Daniel Jones was very good, and JT was a workhorse (26-165).

The Jaguars couldn't beat Cincy's backup, the Titans are 0-2, and the Cowboys won their first.

I almost never watch the Cowboys for many reasons, but I have Javonte Williams in my dyansty league who has been great so far this season .Watching yesterday's game, I think if Jerry Jones can't lock up Brett Aubrey long term (his contract ends this year), the NFL is going to see the most extensive bidding war for a kicker off all time next off-season. Aubrey currently makes $1.03 million. The highest-paid kicker in the league (Butker) makes about $5 million.
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GIG'EM STATS
Myles Garrett is up to 3.5 sacks in 2 game. On pace for 30. No big deal, just an NFL record.

Achane struggled on the ground (30 yards) and is slightly under his pace now (723 out of 850) but scored another TD - has 2, needs 12 total.

Von got half a sack Thursday night. His pace is 4, his square is 5.

PICK'EM STATS

Goff had a huge game passing and threw 5 TDs. He's on pace for 4,752 yards and 5 TDs. As I mentioned at the top, Burrow is done. Mayfield vs. the Texans secondary should be fascinating tonight. Goff and Lamar are both on pace for 51 through 2 games.

Derrick Henry fumbled early and then was barely involved in the Ravens' win over the Browns. He's at 192 yards rushing. Robinson had a big game last night and is up to 159, Saquon's at 148, and Jeanty plays tonight. James Cook took over the TD lead with 2 last night to get to 3 on the year. Jeanty will see what he can tonight..

Jamar Chase had a huge game despite Burrow's injury. Justin Jefferson only had 3 catches but managed 81 yards. The Vikings looked awful. I wonder if JJ is starting to ask his agent "get me the fudge out of here"?

Tonight's Game
Gotta do homework with the kids during the game tonight so I'm going try to go on phone/TV/radio silence and watch the game "live" when it's done, so Bingo Updates later tomorrow night. Hopefully we score a TD this week.
rrn130
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Home opener roll call - who's going?
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Colts out of the gate 2-0

Texans need a win tonight
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I'll be there.
IrishAg
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Not sure how it makes me feel because we're shuffling again, but Ed Ingram is back, so we're shifting the offensive line back to the pre-season lineups (minus Andrews) of LT Ersery, LG Tomlinson, C Patterson RG Ingram RT Howard

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Texans start with the ball
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nice catch and run by Chubb
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TD catch by Nico under review
Jackal99
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That's gotta be confirmed, right?
IrishAg
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Great start by the offense!!!

That's got to be a confirmed
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looks like 6 to me
BayAg_14
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Great catch.
gambochaman
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Clear td to me

Shin down with plenty of black turf left
IrishAg
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Confirmed! TD!
AggieJ2002
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Now lets get the D off to just as good of a start!

And Fairbairn cant keep giving other teams the ball at the 35
Bigballin
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They were holding Anderson on that last play
BayAg_14
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Baker is going to drop 400yds.
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Evans gets the P.I.

otherwise 1st and goal
IrishAg
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Damn, if we're going to drop 7 every time and only rush 4 we can't let someone get behind the defense.
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Bucs answer

3rd option on the pass play
Apollo79
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Swiss cheese defense
Twisted Helix
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If we can't get to Mayfield it's going to be a long night.
 
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