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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Daily reminder that OPAG was all in on Q Anon and shouldn't be taken seriously.

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And likewise you were all in on Russia BS and other lies so you should not be taken seriously.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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The explanation that a minute was held back intentionally in a video that has been proven to be edited makes a whole lot more sense than "the video system is from 1999 so of course there's a minute missing".

The problem, of course, is that releasing this missing minute now would do two things:

1) Prove that Bondi was lying in her explanation for whatever reason (or to be charitable, it may prove that someone lied to her and she repeated it)
2) Make it impossible to trust that what is in the missing minute is valid and unedited because of above

Releasing an edited video of the empty hallway (with no disclaimer that a minute was missing) was a misstep that has only fueled conspiracy theories.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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How long before Maxwell gets pardoned?

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I’m told Ghislaine Maxwell was granted a limited form of immunity in exchange for speaking with the DOJ, confirming @KFaulders. The immunity (proffer agreement) is often offered to people whom prosecutors want to cooperate (and Maxwell has already been tried and found guilty) +…

— Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott) July 25, 2025

Over Under - 1 Sept

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Ghislaine Maxwell’s attorney says she will invoke her Fifth Amendment rights during a forthcoming congressional deposition unless she is granted immunity.

Her attorney, David Oscar Markus, adds that if Maxwell receives clemency from the president, she would be… pic.twitter.com/oMdTbcUJRU

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 29, 2025

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Questions for every possible situation can be asked ad nauseum.

The fact is, the riled up can be quieted by simply providing what was said to have been provided.

All people are asking for is for Trump's people to do what they said they'd do, and still haven't.

It really is that easy, and when Trump and/or his people have the information, it should be easy to provide.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Questions for every possible situation can be asked ad nauseum.

The fact is, the riled up can be quieted by simply providing what was said to have been provided.

All people are asking for is for Trump's people to do what they said they'd do, and still haven't.

It really is that easy, and when Trump and/or his people have the information, it should be easy to provide.

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There is no simple way to quiet those who are riled up. And even provided, they won't stay quiet.

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I’m told Ghislaine Maxwell was granted a limited form of immunity in exchange for speaking with the DOJ, confirming @KFaulders. The immunity (proffer agreement) is often offered to people whom prosecutors want to cooperate (and Maxwell has already been tried and found guilty) +…

— Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott) July 25, 2025

Over Under - 1 Sept

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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/28/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-pardon-jeffrey-epstein-00479862

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Ghislaine Maxwell’s attorney says she will invoke her Fifth Amendment rights during a forthcoming congressional deposition unless she is granted immunity.

Her attorney, David Oscar Markus, adds that if Maxwell receives clemency from the president, she would be… pic.twitter.com/oMdTbcUJRU

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 29, 2025

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Perhaps negotiator and chief Trumps will counter with 6 months off her sentence for every pedo that gets convicted of pedoing.

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Perhaps negotiator and chief Trumps will counter with 6 months off her sentence for every pedo that gets convicted of pedoing.

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Maybe! That may be worth it actually to get those people behind bars, if they committed that crime.

He has been doing very well on recent negotiations. IMO.

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When no victims come forward saying Trump was involved, then I will believe he was not involved.

I will believe them over party loyalists, and most certainly anything Maxwell says. Giving her anything more than an extra pillow and a few more TV stations in jail is too much. What she did is inexcusable and incomprehensible. You don't pardon the supplier just to get the users.

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There has already been an accusation that he raped a 13 year old in Epstein's New York apartment.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Questions for every possible situation can be asked ad nauseum.

The fact is, the riled up can be quieted by simply providing what was said to have been provided.

All people are asking for is for Trump's people to do what they said they'd do, and still haven't.

It really is that easy, and when Trump and/or his people have the information, it should be easy to provide.

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.......and arguing that no one will be satisfied whether the evidence is released or not is moot if it is never released.

There's only one way to find out. Just do it.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Questions for every possible situation can be asked ad nauseum.

The fact is, the riled up can be quieted by simply providing what was said to have been provided.

All people are asking for is for Trump's people to do what they said they'd do, and still haven't.

It really is that easy, and when Trump and/or his people have the information, it should be easy to provide.

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Maybe, but at least that (the information) will no longer be the issue.

Again, had Trump and his people not said they'd release the information, this would likely be much less of an issue than it is.

Promises made and all that.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Questions for every possible situation can be asked ad nauseum.

The fact is, the riled up can be quieted by simply providing what was said to have been provided.

All people are asking for is for Trump's people to do what they said they'd do, and still haven't.

It really is that easy, and when Trump and/or his people have the information, it should be easy to provide.

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There is no simple way to quiet those who are riled up. And even provided, they won't stay quiet.

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Maybe, but at least that (the information) will no longer be the issue.

Again, had Trump and his people not said they'd release the information, this would likely be much less of an issue than it is.

Promises made and all that.

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Good thing he has kept most of his promises. More than most politicians do, IMO.

My life has improved a lot since he took office. And I hope it continues to improve over the next 3 1/2 years. I'm sure we all hope our lives improve greatly! Very glad he beat Harris.

We'll see where this Epstein mess goes.

About time for football season, thank goodness!!

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Conspiracy theorists tend to invest in unfalsifiable claims. They basically just continuously modify the conspiracy to fit the facts that do emerge. Any absence of evidence is presumed to be a coverup. Any denial is met with Kafka trap accusations that to deny there is a conspiracy is in itself evidence that it must exist.

There could be something there, but it seems less and less likely that It is any grand extortion conspiracy as more information slowly emerges.

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When no victims come forward saying Trump was involved, then I will believe he was not involved.

I will believe them over party loyalists, and most certainly anything Maxwell says. Giving her anything more than an extra pillow and a few more TV stations in jail is too much. What she did is inexcusable and incomprehensible. You don't pardon the supplier just to get the users.

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Terrible dumb meme above aside, you could at least provide context of yet another baseless accusation against Trump.

Do you welcome random people making up such allegations about you? Cause we can get the party started.

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"Jane Doe" aka "Katie Johnson" 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.

Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by "Katie Johnson" in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein's New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym "Tiffany Doe" said she recruited "Jane Doe" and others.

Doe, using the name "Johnson," gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.

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So unknown lady files lawsuit 12 years after incident and once DJT has secured the R nomination, then refiles it as an 'October surprise' then drops it when Trump wins election never to be heard from again.

And you count that as someone coming forward with an allegation against Trump. You serious with that?

Can we talk about Trump raping non-binary aliens from planet Uranus?

Edit to add: Much speculation that Doe was compensated for her Daily Mail interview, adding to her credibility.

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Conspiracy theorists tend to invest in unfalsifiable claims. They basically just continuously modify the conspiracy to fit the facts that do emerge. Any absence of evidence is presumed to be a coverup. Any denial is met with Kafka trap accusations that to deny there is a conspiracy is in itself evidence that it must exist.

There could be something there, but it seems less and less likely that It is any grand extortion conspiracy as more information slowly emerges.

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What information has emerged that has made this seem like less of a grand conspiracy?

The evidence that has not emerged points much more towards it NOT being a grand conspiracy.

He really needs to stop talking about Epstein.

Trump: People were taken out of the spa, hired by Epstein… I told him we don’t want you taking our people, whether it’s spa or not spa. He did it again, I said out of here.

Reporter: Was one of the stolen people Virginia Giuffre?

Trump: I think so. He stole her. pic.twitter.com/sLoDdKNasn

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 29, 2025

"Out of here" not because he was a criminal sex pervert, but because he was taking employees?

Julie Kelly said it best two weeks ago:

It would be so great if everyone could stop somehow making this worse

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) July 15, 2025

I mean, who among us doesn't have 25 accusations of rape, groping, and peeping on under-aged girls?

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For starters, Trump doesn't.

Funny when Paula Jones alleged sexual harassment against Clinton we were told by James Carville he could drag a $100 bill through a trailer park and get all sorts of women to come forward. I guess it's (D)ifferent.

Serval people that were very much invested in the potential for there to be a wider conspiracy beyond just Epstein and Maxwell were made part of the Trump administration DOJ and FBI, had r had access to all the data, people who I at least would tend to believe based on their political and public pasts, and they have all said all the evidence they have actually seen doesn't indicate it is anything more than what we know: a couple of pedos that used their wealth and connections to entice and exploit young women and access child porn. Despite decades of several administrations having access to the case files AND incentive to use it against political enemies, that has never happened. You can't leak what doesn't exist very effectively. I've seen the credibility of those few who might have been in a position as a victim or witness that have gone public pretty much effectively picked apart and not maliciously, but with legitimate objections in my view. The video they do have of the prison comes out and it's like 99% intact and 100% of that is nothing. Maybe it's legit, maybe not, but it definitely doesn't show any evidence of someone accessing Epstein. The more we learn about the past soft plea deal Epstein got, it seems it was because there were actual weaknesses in the case against him that made a prosecution somewhat of a gamble. Lots of bits and pieces but not one bit of hard evidence yet, despite a boatload of attention.

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Allegations of Sexual Misconduct Against Donald Trump Span Decades

At least 25 women have publicly accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct, with allegations spanning from the 1970s to more recent years. The accusations encompass a range of behaviors, including rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment. Donald Trump has consistently denied all of these allegations.


The public accounts of these alleged incidents vary in nature. Some women have accused Trump of forcible kissing and groping. For instance, Jessica Leeds alleged that in the early 1980s, Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt on an airplane. Another accuser, Kristin Anderson, claimed that in the early 1990s, Trump reached up her skirt and touched her through her underwear in a New York nightclub.


Other allegations are more severe. E. Jean Carroll, a writer, accused Trump of raping her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room in the mid-1990s. In 2023, a civil jury found Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming Carroll, awarding her millions of dollars in damages. While the jury found him liable for sexual abuse, the verdict in the civil case did not result in a criminal conviction for rape.



Another early accuser, Jill Harth, who was a business associate of Trump's, filed a lawsuit in 1997 alleging that Trump sexually harassed her and attempted to rape her on several occasions in the early 1990s. She later withdrew the lawsuit as part of a settlement of a separate business dispute.

The list of accusers also includes former contestants on his reality show "The Apprentice" and in the Miss USA pageant, which he formerly owned. These women have made a variety of claims, from unwanted sexual advances to walking in on them while they were changing.


The allegations against Trump have been a recurring topic throughout his business and political career. Many of the accusations gained renewed attention during his 2016 presidential campaign and have continued to be a subject of public discussion and legal proceedings.

Try reading a little more carefully.

One could argue it's pretty low for a man with his combined celebrity, wealth and political ambitions.

When you have money, people will come after it. When you have fame, people will try and latch on to it. When you have political power, your opponents will stop at nothing.

Doesn't help that Trump combines this with a nonstop taunting of the same folks out to always get him.

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One could argue it's pretty low for a man with his combined celebrity, wealth and political ambitions.

When you have money, people will come after it. When you have fame, people will try and latch on to it. When you have political power, your opponents will stop at nothing.

Doesn't help that Trump combines this with a nonstop taunting of the same folks out to always get him.

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I just need to know how many of these women have installed a second front door in their homes. That will provide me insight into the legitimacy of their claims.

I'm all for arresting everyone that was involved but she and Epstein were the head of the snake. Without those two, a lot of this stuff might not have happened. They provided the 'service'. She most certainly went out procured these children. She was also involved in some of the acts. She ought to be serving life, not 20 years. You can find ways to make her sentence more comfortable maybe but she needs to serve the whole damn thing.

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Now we're supposed to trust "government sources," after the entire world knows what they saw. I guess this, coming weeks later, and after Trump and his people have done everything they can to shut people up from continuing to talk about this, should be trusted blindly, because of "government sources."

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Won't "the files" that everyone wants to be released come from "government sources?"

So why will anyone trust them?

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Then why not release them all and let the chips fall where they may? I mean, what better way to close this issue once and for all than by just doing what's been said would be done for years on end?

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So now we're supposed to trust "government sources?" How do we know the released "files" haven't been doctored to fit an agenda? How do we know that the files have not been edited?

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Questions for every possible situation can be asked ad nauseum.

The fact is, the riled up can be quieted by simply providing what was said to have been provided.

All people are asking for is for Trump's people to do what they said they'd do, and still haven't.

It really is that easy, and when Trump and/or his people have the information, it should be easy to provide.

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Maybe, but at least that (the information) will no longer be the issue.

Again, had Trump and his people not said they'd release the information, this would likely be much less of an issue than it is.

Promises made and all that.

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Good thing he has kept most of his promises. More than most politicians do, IMO.

My life has improved a lot since he took office. And I hope it continues to improve over the next 3 1/2 years. I'm sure we all hope our lives improve greatly! Very glad he beat Harris.

We'll see where this Epstein mess goes.

About time for football season, thank goodness!!

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I hear you about football season. I'm really hoping that our team plays to their full potential. If they do, it'll be a great season.

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Man…if only there was a way to stop the speculation and put an end to this thing once and for all.

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What bias? I've stated numerous times that I don't care who gets exposed.

I think what you and others have posted in regards to "release the files!" is a respectable position.

But there are numerous issues with a full data dump. You could land on the extreme of "release every second of video, every photo, every name regardless of source / credibility. and the 'target' list of folks the FBI wanted to interview and/or investigate further." But the only fair, remotely credible way to do this is to really release everything, even the victims names.

Why expose the victims? Because when people want all the files then it has to mean everything. Any redaction, use of pseudonyms, unconfirmed allegations and the like will persist for years are more conspiracy. See reference to other accusations Trump has faced, continues to face, as evidence of how far people will take this. A baseless allegation within a frivolous lawsuit that was filed then withdrawn at election time and resulted in paid interview(s) still is brought up a decade later to support the idea that Trump and Epstein were pedo-partying BFFs.

Redact the name and withhold the evidence because it includes the victims or inappropriate / illegal material and we are back to just taking the FBI's word on what is or is not in the "files".

Or do what they are doing now and following up with known players, reviewing files, telling you where they are at, and evidently making some determination of whether there was a client "list", what crimes may have been committed and by whom.

I will absolutely say Trump, Bondi, and to an extent Kash and Bongino have bungled the messaging here. Was their hand forced by the pending WSJ article on the birthday card? A coordinated effort by MSM to derail the Obama / Russia hoax info? Or was the Obama / Russia hoax info in response to the Epstein uproar? Dunno, but it has certainly made the topic both current and volatile.

tl;dr "release the files" sounds like a good position to have but its fraught with real-world practical issues and consequences beyond exposing pedos.

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Kind of impossible not to bungle the message when they spent the last fours talking about it as if it were a certainty.

Sure, its not how I would approach it and I have no excuse for it.

But to me it falls into the realm of Hillary and "lock her up", ending the war with Putin within a day or whatever he promised, and similar.

Look, Trump is not infallible - COVID taught us that even for those who think he has done an overall great job both terms. I even get the folks like BigRobSA who calls him a liberal based on fiscal policy (primarily).

But the jumping to Trump is a pedo because they seem to have changed tack on the release of Epstein information seems like a jump to me. And if he happens to be a pedo, then hang him from one of his new flag poles.

Many already did come out and say he did nothing and actually was helpful in their case against Epstein.

But that won't matter, ya see Trump is guilty until unequivically proven innoncent by every single victim of this pedo ring.

Well that's not how this works. Remember the girl who claimed the Duke team of rape. That was a lie.

Some of these victims can be paid to lie on Trump. Some are just angry and will lash out at anyone. Some may not like Trump

This is an unrealistic, unsupportable standard, one that can never be met.

As I said, those who have decided Trump is sketchy will not ever back down, There are still those who refuse to accept that he was not collaborating with Putin.