****** The Official Houston Texans Thread 2025 ******

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Caley isn't going anywhere.

They aren't gonna put Stroud in a 3rd offense system.

Plus you think Caserio is can his boy after just 1 year?

Some of y'all need to wake up. This is the same dysfunctional Texans organization as it's always been.
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But Tommy boy and Hannah are so fun.
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Raiders tried to help us out a little bit, but it may be at the point where it wouldn't matter much, anyway.
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Season is over….anybodybwe can trade away for draft capital? Hunter?
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Texans 8/0 when we win one possession games. Unfortunately 0-5 when we don't. Somewhat think Ryans is pressuring Caley to jam it in from the goal line, despite that not fitting any players skill set.

Demeco should hire kubiak as a consultant this offseason to learn misdirection.
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Texan_Aggie said:

Texans 8/0 when we win one possession games. Unfortunately 0-5 when we don't.

Broncos have 7 one possession games out of 9
4 of those are within 3 points.

Texans have 5 out of 8 one possession games.

Could be the case for many teams.

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Complete incompetence to think that Davis Mills could move the team 50-60 yards from his 12 in 60 seconds.

Run it three times, get to OT and hope you could sneak out a win or tie.
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Thinice said:


Run it three times, get to OT and hope you could sneak out a win or tie.

This is the biggest game changer that was completely in their control for sure.
Run the ball, or even just kneel, and get to OT. Broncos only had 2 timeouts.

Instead they do an incomplete pass using 6 secs, complete pass out of bounds* using 4 seconds, then incomplete pass using 4 seconds.. then punt for 10 seconds.. All in they burn all of 24 seconds and give the ball back to the team that is currently the talk of the town for end of 4th quarter come back drives.

*That receiver should have stayed in bounds.. clock should have kept running and may have changed the outcome.
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Fairbairn has attempted 25 field goals in 8 games -- an astounding number less than halfway thru the season

he's made 22 of 25

5 of 8 from 50+
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and adding insult to injury...

somehow the Panthers are 5-4 after winning at Green Bay today

Bryce Young has not been very good this year, but Carolina ranks 4th in the NFL in rushing yards per game
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ClickClack said:

Why is Davis Mills still our backup? There are so many serviceable backup QBs out there and we still have this bill O'Brien special? Wtf?

Looking around the league of injured QBs, I'm not sure that's true anymore.

The Bengals' backup was so bad that they had to trade for Grandpa Flacco.

The Ravens backup was so bad that the Texans beat the **** out of them in Baltimore.

The rest of the league? I'd at least put Davis in the middle of the pack

Cardinals - Jacoby Brissett
Falcons - Kirk Cousins
Bills - Mitchell Trubisky
Panthers - Andy Dalton
Bears - Tyson Bagent - I have no idea who this person is
Cowboys - Joe Milton III
Broncos - Jarrett Stidham
Lions - Kyle Allen
Packers - Malik Willis
Colts - Riley Leonard
Jaguars - Nick Mullens
Chiefs - Gardner Minshew
Raiders - Kenny Pickett
Chargers - Trey Lance
Rams - Jimmy Garoppolo
Dolphins - Quinn Ewers - Suddenly Davis Mills ain't looking so bad
Vikings - Max Brosmer - I have no idea who this person is
Patriots - Joshua Dobbs
Saints - Taysom Hill
Giants - Russell Wilson
Jets - Tyrod Taylor
Eagles - Tanner McKee - I have no idea who this person is
Steelers - Mason Rudolph
49ers - Mac Jones
Seahawks - Drew Lock
Buccaneers - Teddy Bridgewater
Titans - Brandon Allen - I have no idea who this person is
Commanders - Marcus Mariota
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62strat said:

Texan_Aggie said:

Texans 8/0 when we win one possession games. Unfortunately 0-5 when we don't.


Broncos have 7 one possession games out of 9
4 of those are within 3 points.

Texans have 5 out of 8 one possession games.

Could be the case for many teams.



I think the point was that if all one score games go the other way, Texans are in 1st place undefeated.
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Texan_Aggie said:

62strat said:

Texan_Aggie said:

Texans 8/0 when we win one possession games. Unfortunately 0-5 when we don't.


Broncos have 7 one possession games out of 9
4 of those are within 3 points.

Texans have 5 out of 8 one possession games.

Could be the case for many teams.



I think the point was that if all one score games go the other way, Texans are in 1st place undefeated.

But if the colts had the same treatment, they'd be undefeated as well.. their two losses were by 7.
And the jags would be 7-1.
The broncos only 2 losses were by 3 and 1.
The chiefs would be 9-0 as well. Their 4 losses were by 6,7,3 and 7.
The patriots lost their only 2 games by 7...


My point is, reversing the outcome of 1 score losses gives several teams really good or undefeated records. It's not unique to the Texans.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

ClickClack said:

Why is Davis Mills still our backup? There are so many serviceable backup QBs out there and we still have this bill O'Brien special? Wtf?

Looking around the league of injured QBs, I'm not sure that's true anymore.

The Bengals' backup was so bad that they had to trade for Grandpa Flacco.

The Ravens backup was so bad that the Texans beat the **** out of them in Baltimore.

The rest of the league? I'd at least put Davis in the middle of the pack

Cardinals - Jacoby Brissett
Falcons - Kirk Cousins
Bills - Mitchell Trubisky
Panthers - Andy Dalton
Bears - Tyson Bagent - I have no idea who this person is
Cowboys - Joe Milton III
Broncos - Jarrett Stidham
Lions - Kyle Allen
Packers - Malik Willis
Colts - Riley Leonard
Jaguars - Nick Mullens
Chiefs - Gardner Minshew
Raiders - Kenny Pickett
Chargers - Trey Lance
Rams - Jimmy Garoppolo
Dolphins - Quinn Ewers - Suddenly Davis Mills ain't looking so bad
Vikings - Max Brosmer - I have no idea who this person is
Patriots - Joshua Dobbs
Saints - Taysom Hill
Giants - Russell Wilson
Jets - Tyrod Taylor
Eagles - Tanner McKee - I have no idea who this person is
Steelers - Mason Rudolph
49ers - Mac Jones
Seahawks - Drew Lock
Buccaneers - Teddy Bridgewater
Titans - Brandon Allen - I have no idea who this person is
Commanders - Marcus Mariota


I'd rather have 90% of the guys on that list over Davis Mills. I'd rather have Joe Flacco. No excuse to not have a better option off the bench than Mills. Our offense is bad regardless but damn we stood zero chance yesterday once stroud came out.
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superaggie73 said:

Season is over….anybodybwe can trade away for draft capital? Hunter?


At this point, every win comes at the expense of the Texans' draft capital. There is no upside to a win, because this team isn't doing squat with respect to the playoffs.
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Completely unacceptable and another indictment on Caley and this garbage ass offense.

Everything having to do with offense is ass. Personnel decisions, game planning, play calling, execution.


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Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.
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62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0
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Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0
what if a team has never had first and goal inside the 2-yard line though? As the other poster said, this is pretty worthless without context.
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Mills is awful. He's not the reason Texans lost the game but sure as hell contributed a whole lot to losing it. He misses too many throws - plain and simple. You are a professional, make the throw.

The OL is the primary reason Texans lost the game. The front office needs to get their **** together and build a roster that actually will function in the type of offense the Texans are trying to do.

A poster suggested contacting Kubiak and that wouldn't be a bad decision. The stretch run game would take a lot of pressure off of Stroud and whoever the Texans get to replace Mills.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

ClickClack said:

Why is Davis Mills still our backup? There are so many serviceable backup QBs out there and we still have this bill O'Brien special? Wtf?

Looking around the league of injured QBs, I'm not sure that's true anymore.

The Bengals' backup was so bad that they had to trade for Grandpa Flacco.

The Ravens backup was so bad that the Texans beat the **** out of them in Baltimore.

The rest of the league? I'd at least put Davis in the middle of the pack

Cardinals - Jacoby Brissett
Falcons - Kirk Cousins
Bills - Mitchell Trubisky
Panthers - Andy Dalton
Bears - Tyson Bagent - I have no idea who this person is
Cowboys - Joe Milton III
Broncos - Jarrett Stidham
Lions - Kyle Allen
Packers - Malik Willis
Colts - Riley Leonard
Jaguars - Nick Mullens
Chiefs - Gardner Minshew
Raiders - Kenny Pickett
Chargers - Trey Lance
Rams - Jimmy Garoppolo
Dolphins - Quinn Ewers - Suddenly Davis Mills ain't looking so bad
Vikings - Max Brosmer - I have no idea who this person is
Patriots - Joshua Dobbs
Saints - Taysom Hill
Giants - Russell Wilson
Jets - Tyrod Taylor
Eagles - Tanner McKee - I have no idea who this person is
Steelers - Mason Rudolph
49ers - Mac Jones
Seahawks - Drew Lock
Buccaneers - Teddy Bridgewater
Titans - Brandon Allen - I have no idea who this person is
Commanders - Marcus Mariota

Not in any order but give me Mariota, Drew Lock, Garoppolo, or Mac Jones over Davis Mills every freaking day
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Apparently the Texans have run 10 plays from inside their opponents' 2 yard line and scored 0 TDs. Seth Payne said this morning that teams have a 53% chance of scoring from the 1 on any given play. I wasn't a math major but comparing these numbers sure doesn't look too good for the Texans.
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ruxin98 said:

Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0
what if a team has never had first and goal inside the 2-yard line though? As the other poster said, this is pretty worthless without context.


We're the only team with zero, so apparently every other team has had at least one chance.

You're right that it's not a perfect stat. But being the only team in the league who hasn't been able to punch it in all season is noteworthy.
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I know some of them are obviously better, but I can't get onboard with him being the worst backup in the league.
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The big takeaway is that this offense is trash and it's not just a lack of on-field talent.

With the bad game planning, personnel decisions, and play calling they're doomed before the snap is made.

A coach's job is to put his players in the best possible position to succeed. That ain't even close to happening.
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2025 is the 23rd year of my brother and I's running joke that if the Texans get to the 10 yard line or closer, they should just kick a field goal because they are so terrible inside the 10.
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He's not.

I'm pretty sure there were injury riddled teams inquiring about him as the deadline approaches.
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Ag_07 said:

The big takeaway is that this offense is trash and it's not just a lack of on-field talent.

With the bad game planning, personnel decisions, and play calling they're doomed before the snap is made.

A coach's job is to put his players in the best possible position to succeed. That ain't even close to happening.


Wait a second. Are you suggesting that running behind our interior offensive line with an undrafted fullback isn't our best possible chance for success?
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Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0

yeh my comment seemed to go right over your head.

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JCA1 said:

ruxin98 said:

Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0

what if a team has never had first and goal inside the 2-yard line though? As the other poster said, this is pretty worthless without context.


We're the only team with zero, so apparently every other team has had at least one chance.

You're right that it's not a perfect stat. But being the only team in the league who hasn't been able to punch it in all season is noteworthy.

But not ever snapping from the 2 or 1 isn't at all inherently bad. Many teams score touchdowns without ever snapping from the 2 or 1.

So again, without knowing the amount of times a team had a snap at the 2 or 1, this chart is mostly useless.
If they had zero snaps at 2 or 1, then I'd expect nothing else than for them to have no TD's from plays that started at 2 or 1.
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What's bad about that series is there was a terrible spot. Collin's stretched and had it about an inch away.

The worst part is I still don't think we could get that inch.
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62strat said:

JCA1 said:

ruxin98 said:

Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0

what if a team has never had first and goal inside the 2-yard line though? As the other poster said, this is pretty worthless without context.


We're the only team with zero, so apparently every other team has had at least one chance.

You're right that it's not a perfect stat. But being the only team in the league who hasn't been able to punch it in all season is noteworthy.

But not ever snapping from the 2 or 1 isn't at all inherently bad. Many teams score touchdowns without ever snapping from the 2 or 1.

So again, without knowing the amount of times a team had a snap at the 2 or 1, this chart is mostly useless.
If they had zero snaps at 2 or 1, then I'd expect nothing else than for them to have no TD's from plays that started at 2 or 1.



I don't understand what you're getting at. Again, we're the only team on the chart with 0. So, by definition, everyone else on there has had at least 1 try and 1 TD. We are, by any conceivable measure, the worst, as no one else has completely failed to put it in the endzone.

Now, you're right that we don't know exactly how many times each team has been in that position. But we do know that we're the only team to not score. Everyone else has scored.

And, for the record, we're 0 for 10.
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JCA1 said:

62strat said:

JCA1 said:

ruxin98 said:

Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0

what if a team has never had first and goal inside the 2-yard line though? As the other poster said, this is pretty worthless without context.


We're the only team with zero, so apparently every other team has had at least one chance.

You're right that it's not a perfect stat. But being the only team in the league who hasn't been able to punch it in all season is noteworthy.

But not ever snapping from the 2 or 1 isn't at all inherently bad. Many teams score touchdowns without ever snapping from the 2 or 1.

So again, without knowing the amount of times a team had a snap at the 2 or 1, this chart is mostly useless.
If they had zero snaps at 2 or 1, then I'd expect nothing else than for them to have no TD's from plays that started at 2 or 1.


We are, by any conceivable measure, the worst, as no one else has completely failed to put it in the endzone.

........ But we do know that we're the only team to not score. Everyone else has scored.



How can you say this if you don't know how many times Texans snapped from 2 or 1???? Because one could easily assume they've had ZERO snaps from 2 or 1 (assuming you're a random person seeing this chart). In fact I came in late to this game, and didn't see the two times it happened, so I could easily assume Texans have not snapped from 2 or 1, meaning of course it's ZERO tds from there.

Snapping from 2 or 1 is not all that common. Many TDs are scored from snaps that were 3 or further, in fact, I'd say a large portion of them fit that stat.

There are 3 teams with 1, but what if they had 15 attempts at this? We have no idea which teams are worse than others without knowing the attempts which gives a %.

Which is worse, 0 out of 1, 1 out of 5, or 6 out of 50?



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JCA1 said:

62strat said:

JCA1 said:

ruxin98 said:

Ag_07 said:

62strat said:

Ag_07 said:




This doesn't seem useful without knowing how many times they were 2 yards or less to goal.


Point being is that from 2 yards it should be automatic and no team should have a 0

what if a team has never had first and goal inside the 2-yard line though? As the other poster said, this is pretty worthless without context.


We're the only team with zero, so apparently every other team has had at least one chance.

You're right that it's not a perfect stat. But being the only team in the league who hasn't been able to punch it in all season is noteworthy.

But not ever snapping from the 2 or 1 isn't at all inherently bad. Many teams score touchdowns without ever snapping from the 2 or 1.

So again, without knowing the amount of times a team had a snap at the 2 or 1, this chart is mostly useless.
If they had zero snaps at 2 or 1, then I'd expect nothing else than for them to have no TD's from plays that started at 2 or 1.





And, for the record, we're 0 for 10.

Now this is info that can be used to form an informed opinion.

I don't know why this is hard to understand. There are many stats that without knowing the %, it's really not useful. Kind of like 3rd down conversions. Having ZERO means nothing unless you know how many times they snapped a 3rd down. 0/0 is not bad. 0/10 is. Both would be shown as 0 on this chart format.
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My assumption was, since you're on this thread, you had some familiarity with this team and we weren't arguing in an information free vacuum. They had 1st and goal from inside the 2 twice yesterday. And a couple other first and goals from inside there in other games as well. Our inability to score from short yardage is well known. I didn't think anyone on this thread would be thinking "well, maybe they have 0 tds from the 1 because they're consistently scoring from 50."

Not trying to be ugly but if you genuinely had no idea that the Texans have had 1st and goal from inside the 2 a bunch of times this year and are yet to get in, maybe this isn't the discussion for you.
 
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