if the Texans are going to miss the playoffs...they at least need to get a top 10 pick
right now would have the 12th or 13th pick
no bueno
right now would have the 12th or 13th pick
no bueno
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To get what? There are needs across the board and I can't see a rookie OL boosting the offense with the current playcalling. In what world does Dare get more snaps than Noel.
If they aren't going to clean house, I think they almost have to go after established OL in free agency. They have already proven they have no ability to identify OL talent otherwise. Gotta get a bird in the hand.
Their next 2 games are for Jax and at TN. If they win those and get to 5-5, they'll still think they're in it. Hopefully the stretch of Bills-Colts-Chiefs will put that to rest between 11/20-12/7.
But even if they come out of that 6-7 (the kids will love it!) then they have very winnable games vs. the Cards and the Raiders that could get them to 8-7. Then @ Chargers and home for the Colts.
Unless there's a total collapse, I have a bad feeling they tread water the rest of the year and don't try to have some tactical losses.
Regardless of how close the game on Sunday was, if you only score FG's and can't get into the end zone it's pretty tough to think we should have won the game. The thing I'm worried about right now is the locker room. The defense is leading the NFL giving up a league-low 267.4 yards per game as well as a league-low 15.1 points per game. I can't imagine the guys on defense are very understanding of the offensive difficulties. The offense is gaining 321.1 yards per game, which is 19th and scoring 21 points per game, which is 24th but that figure is buoyed by the Ravens game where they scored 44 points. Houston is number one in field goals with 25 so far in 2025 compared to 11 touchdowns. Surprisingly the only team in the division with more TD's than Houston is Indy because even Jacksonville with 9 has fewer TD's than we do. As long as this team is scoring FG's over TD's at a rate of over 2:1 they won't be good enough to win the majority of their games regardless of the fact they have the best scoring and total defense in the league.
The word that comes to mind with this team is unsatisfying.
The word that comes to mind with this team is unsatisfying.
Caserio could trade the top 10 pick for another veteran WR
Was there a general sense or feeling in the offseason that the OL was going to be much improved this year? I don't think you can magically fix OL during the season. It seems this season is going about as it was expected to go: poorly. I don't think Mixon would have changed the season outlook very much.
oh no said:
Was there a general sense or feeling in the offseason that the OL was going to be much improved this year? I don't think you can magically fix OL during the season. It seems this season is going about as it was expected to go: poorly. I don't think Mixon would have changed the season outlook very much.
I think there was the hope that they could go from bad to serviceable with better coaching. However, this was probably irrational, considering we promoted the assistant to the old O-line coach that was fired.
Seems like they need to use high draft capital (and hit on it) for OL and go out in FA for better OL. There's been some bad eval and bad luck with drafted OL as well as bad luck with OL injury. GM and HFC can share some blame, but I still really want DeMeco to succeed.
ESPN sources: Colts are trading two first-round picks to the Jets for CB Sauce Gardner. pic.twitter.com/kX7mFK1Cw4
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oh no said:
Seems like they need to use high draft capital (and hit on it) for OL and go out in FA for better OL. There's been some bad eval and bad luck with drafted OL as well as bad luck with OL injury. GM and HFC can share some blame, but I still really want DeMeco to succeed.
Clearly need to do something but the problem is they've already used a ton of draft capital in the OL (a first and 3 2nds in the last 4 drafts). That should be the backbone of a good line but instead we have virtually nothing to show for those picks. They don't seem to have any idea how to identify OL talent. That's why I said earlier that I hope they just spend money in free agency. We can't afford any more Greens, Scruggs, Fishers, etc.
JCA1 said:oh no said:
Seems like they need to use high draft capital (and hit on it) for OL and go out in FA for better OL. There's been some bad eval and bad luck with drafted OL as well as bad luck with OL injury. GM and HFC can share some blame, but I still really want DeMeco to succeed.
Clearly need to do something but the problem is they've already used a ton of draft capital in the OL (a first and 3 2nds in the last 4 drafts). That should be the backbone of a good line but instead we have virtually nothing to show for those picks. They don't seem to have any idea how to identify OL talent. That's why I said earlier that I hope they just spend money in free agency. We can't afford any more Greens, Scruggs, Fishers, etc.
Good point. Poor evaluations at the OL position with this current regime. I like Ersery thus far but time will tell on him.
ruxin98 said:JCA1 said:oh no said:
Seems like they need to use high draft capital (and hit on it) for OL and go out in FA for better OL. There's been some bad eval and bad luck with drafted OL as well as bad luck with OL injury. GM and HFC can share some blame, but I still really want DeMeco to succeed.
Clearly need to do something but the problem is they've already used a ton of draft capital in the OL (a first and 3 2nds in the last 4 drafts). That should be the backbone of a good line but instead we have virtually nothing to show for those picks. They don't seem to have any idea how to identify OL talent. That's why I said earlier that I hope they just spend money in free agency. We can't afford any more Greens, Scruggs, Fishers, etc.
Good point. Poor evaluations at the OL position with this current regime. I like Ersery thus far but time will tell on him.
If you factor in the prior regime (who traded 2 firsts for Tunsil, used a 1st on Howard, 2nd on sharping and a 3rd on Rankin), it doesn't even seem possible to have a line this bad. That's a combined 4 1sts, 4 2nds, and multiple 3rds and 4ths. And we've basically got Howard to show for it (who I don't think is even very good). Mind boggling level of incompetence for a decade.
B-Rabbit said:ESPN sources: Colts are trading two first-round picks to the Jets for CB Sauce Gardner. pic.twitter.com/kX7mFK1Cw4
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 4, 2025
That is crazy
https://nfltraderumors.co/colts-also-sending-wr-adonai-mitchell-to-jets-for-sauce-gardner/
So that's 2 #1's and WR Adonai Mitchell for Sauce Gardner. Honestly, that seems like a steal for the Jets
Adonai has sucked in Indy, but has had some bad breaks.
The Colts saw their defense get majorly exposed by an over-the-hill QB in Rodgers. They have a lot of theoretically much tougher offenses coming up - Chiefs, Seahawks, Jags twice, Texans twice if Cj is healthy at some point. They understand their defense is a weak point, and with the AFC so topsy-turvy this year, they must recognize there's an open window to get the #1 playoff spot and never have to leave a Dome til the Super Bowl.
Also seems to speak volumes about how much Aaron Glenn's voice matters in NY to lose a premiere player at his position. Jets-Browns this week somehow just got worse than it was this morning.
The Colts saw their defense get majorly exposed by an over-the-hill QB in Rodgers. They have a lot of theoretically much tougher offenses coming up - Chiefs, Seahawks, Jags twice, Texans twice if Cj is healthy at some point. They understand their defense is a weak point, and with the AFC so topsy-turvy this year, they must recognize there's an open window to get the #1 playoff spot and never have to leave a Dome til the Super Bowl.
Also seems to speak volumes about how much Aaron Glenn's voice matters in NY to lose a premiere player at his position. Jets-Browns this week somehow just got worse than it was this morning.
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Jets won this one. Sauce is the most overrated player in the NFL.
CharleyKerfeld said:
Adonai has sucked in Indy, but has had some bad breaks.
The Colts saw their defense get majorly exposed by an over-the-hill QB in Rodgers. They have a lot of theoretically much tougher offenses coming up - Chiefs, Seahawks, Jags twice, Texans twice if Cj is healthy at some point. They understand their defense is a weak point, and with the AFC so topsy-turvy this year, they must recognize there's an open window to get the #1 playoff spot and never have to leave a Dome til the Super Bowl.
Also seems to speak volumes about how much Aaron Glenn's voice matters in NY to lose a premiere player at his position. Jets-Browns this week somehow just got worse than it was this morning.
I don't know about his voice mattering or not, as I would say it's debatable that Sauce was still a premiere player at his position, look at his stats and there is a clear decline from his rookie year over the last 4 seasons. Also, moving a CB (who again, hasn't looked that great the last 2 years) with a massive contract (that the Jets just get a small cap hit on) for 2 first rounders and a young WR with top end speed when you're rebuilding seems a no brainer to me.
Also, I think their defense got majorly exposed by the 6 turnovers that they had to defend against as much as anything the Steelers did on offense. So not sure how a CB is going to help out there?
Head Ninja In Charge said:
Jets won this one. Sauce is the most overrated player in the NFL.
Seems like if anyone could have figured that out, it would be Aaron Glenn.
We gave them crap at the time, but the Tunsil trade might have been the best OL move in the past decade for the franchise.
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Texan_Aggie said:
We gave them crap at the time, but the Tunsil trade might have been the best OL move in the past decade for the franchise.
Can't blame stalled drives on his false starts anymore.
Nope. But others have certainly stepped up to fill that void.
redag06 said:Texan_Aggie said:
We gave them crap at the time, but the Tunsil trade might have been the best OL move in the past decade for the franchise.
Can't blame stalled drives on his false starts anymore.
Although, to that point he sure as hell hasn't helped the commanders take the next step. I still think it was a good trade getting his salary off the books. It's the fact that they didn't do anything else after that which is killing us.
If you want to talk about crazy, somehow Washington is only averaging 1 more point per game and 1 more yard per game than Houston. Last year they were a top 5 offense is almost every category.
back to the Colts trade...
Indy's 1st round pick in 2026 might be #29 or #30 or so -- not necessarily a big loss
Indy's 1st round pick in 2026 might be #29 or #30 or so -- not necessarily a big loss
I don't watch the Jets so I have no idea how good Sauce is. But if the Colts think they have a contending roster with the possible exception of needing to bolster the CB position. I can see it for them. Good CBs are hard to come by and usually go top 10.
It likewise makes a lot of sense for the Jets, as they're going nowhere and need to stockpile draft capital.
In all, Colts probably overpaid a little but if he can solidify their secondary, it's a justifiable overpay.
It likewise makes a lot of sense for the Jets, as they're going nowhere and need to stockpile draft capital.
In all, Colts probably overpaid a little but if he can solidify their secondary, it's a justifiable overpay.
W said:
back to the Colts trade...
Indy's 1st round pick in 2026 might be #29 or #30 or so -- not necessarily a big loss
It's a light hit for 2026 all around, it's 2027 when it becomes a huge hit. That first round pick might be higher and Sauce's cap hit goes from $625K this year, to 9.5 mil 2026, to 21 million in 2027.
So the Colts are betting hard on this year. I think it was too steep for a corner, but if that's what they think they need, then they go for it. Personally I think in 2 years, this will be looked at as a huge mistake they made, since I don't think they will even make it to the super bowl.
For the Jets, they dumped Sauce's contract and William's contracts, for a savings of 30 million next year and almost 50 mil in 2027. And they now have an extra 1st and 2nd this year, and 2 extra 1st round picks the year after. That's how you rebuild a team if you're looking at the top pick in the draft right now. Having two good to great defensive players wasn't going to help fix anything right now with the contracts (structure and amount) they have.
I guess Jaylon Jones doesn't play much for the Colts anymore? Their starters were better than Jaylon, yet so bad they needed to make a deadline deal for Sauce.
he's been hurt some…oh no said:
I guess Jaylon Jones doesn't play much for the Colts anymore? Their starters were better than Jaylon, yet so bad they needed to make a deadline deal for Sauce.
So the Texans did nothing? Guess that makes them consistent, because they have done absolutely nothing this year. What a waste of time this season will be.
5 Dollar Footlong said:
Nope. But others have certainly stepped up to fill that void.
Oh many of those stalled drives were on Cjs shoulders. He SUCKS, but maybe he'll get 2-3 more ocs died before some realizes the qb is too stupid to run an offense
The NFL should do some Hunger Games style mandated watching this weekend where everyone in Jersey and Cleveland has to watch the Jets-Browns game. I think the over/under is 9 points.
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I don't blame the Texans for sitting still. They're not winning anything this season and deep down they have to know that. This offseason you go all in on building an offensive line, and if they can't, heads need to roll.
That and there wasn't much trading of offensive positions. Texans don't need any defensive pieces that are glaring. I don't blame them for sitting pat.
Was the last big trade at the deadline we had Demarius Thomas? Generally these are underwhelming because it takes a bit to learn the new system.
Was the last big trade at the deadline we had Demarius Thomas? Generally these are underwhelming because it takes a bit to learn the new system.
Texan_Aggie said:
That and there wasn't much trading of offensive positions. Texans don't need any defensive pieces that are glaring. I don't blame them for sitting pat.
Was the last big trade at the deadline we had Demarius Thomas? Generally these are underwhelming because it takes a bit to learn the new system.
I would have offered Hunter to the Cowboys for a 1st. I bet they would have accepted it.
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