DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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I asked for fully unredacted.

Tweet said per Comer it was fully responsive to their requests.

Not sure what else you want me to say. Massie is ****ing swamp kitten Rand lackey. Never had a real job, grew up in and became swaddled in the swamp.

And his antagonizing the Trump admin to suit his own agenda is exhausting.

But if he's your hero you can have him.

Again, I continue and have always supported full unredacted release or no release at all. So no this doesn't satisfy me in the least.

And I would be good money that a full release won't satisfy the tabloids either. They will always believe something was held back.

Still not seeing anyone else wanting the parents to explain why they let their daughters fly to private islands with grown, unrelated men. Is this something typical of rich people with teen daughters?

Last I checked, Jeffrey and Ghislaine were never accused of kidnapping. Maybe I missed that file.
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flown-the-coop said:

I asked for fully unredacted.

Tweet said per Comer it was fully responsive to their requests.

Not sure what else you want me to say. Massie is ****ing swamp kitten Rand lackey. Never had a real job, grew up in and became swaddled in the swamp.

And his antagonizing the Trump admin to suit his own agenda is exhausting.

But if he's your hero you can have him.

Again, I continue and have always supported full unredacted release or no release at all. So no this doesn't satisfy me in the least.

And I would be good money that a full release won't satisfy the tabloids either. They will always believe something was held back.

Still not seeing anyone else wanting the parents to explain why they let their daughters fly to private islands with grown, unrelated men. Is this something typical of rich people with teen daughters?

Last I checked, Jeffrey and Ghislaine were never accused of kidnapping. Maybe I missed that file.


So previously you said "Or you and your boy Massie Khanna could have just been patient for Comer and DOJ to continue releasing the files.", and now you say you aren't happy with Comer's release. So Massie should just sit on his hands and wait around for Comer who isn't doing a good job? NGL man you painted yourself in a corner, if you really want the full unredacted release you should be happy with Massie's HR. So far you don't have any actual criticism of what the HR says it is supposed to do, you just don't like that its coming from Massie/Khanna and choose to criticize the ones introducing it rather than its contents.
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You seem to have a reading problem. Look, read the post you replied to.

Trying to play some gotcha game is making you look foolish.
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flown-the-coop said:

You seem to have a reading problem. Look, read the post you replied to.

Trying to play some gotcha game is making you look foolish.


Not an argument.

You stated: "Again, I continue and have always supported full unredacted release or no release at all. So no this doesn't satisfy me in the least."

Massie's HR can be found here, not sure if you've read it yet. Please find a criticism of the bill or stop responding. I believe this is the closest we're ever going to get to full transparency on this issue.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text
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PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

You seem to have a reading problem. Look, read the post you replied to.

Trying to play some gotcha game is making you look foolish.


Not an argument.

You stated: "Again, I continue and have always supported full unredacted release or no release at all. So no this doesn't satisfy me in the least."

Massie's HR can be found here, not sure if you've read it yet. Please find a criticism of the bill or stop responding. I believe this is the closest we're ever going to get to full transparency on this issue.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text


Condescension aside, I did read it and as I suspected before reading it Section 2(c) results in nothing more than you are already getting. Now I question if you read it.

I don't know how I can be clearer. And I have said it before. All materials, every last pixel, page, paragraph, period, person. Unredacted. And I mean none.

Anything short of that results in the endless back and forth, which you seem highly committed to, regarding how much is enough.

Not sure what your infatuation with Massie is. Again, he gave so many options for exclusion that even the stuff they have released would be more than he allows to be excluded.

You fell for his bloviating whataboutme tactics. Sorry dude.

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"(c) Permitted Withholdings.

"(1) The Attorney General may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that

"(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims' personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

"(B) depicts or contains child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 22522252A;

"(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;

"(D) depicts or contains images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person; or

"(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.

"(2) All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress.

"(3) To the extent that any covered information would otherwise be redacted or withheld as classified information under this section, the Attorney General shall declassify that classified information to the maximum extent possible.

"(A). If the Attorney General makes a determination that covered information may not be declassified and made available in a manner that protects the national security of the United States, including methods or sources related to national security, the Attorney General shall release an unclassified summary for each of the redacted or withheld classified information.

"(4) All decisions to classify any covered information after July 1, 2025 shall be published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress, including the date of classification, the identity of the classifying authority, and an unclassified summary of the justification.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

You seem to have a reading problem. Look, read the post you replied to.

Trying to play some gotcha game is making you look foolish.


Not an argument.

You stated: "Again, I continue and have always supported full unredacted release or no release at all. So no this doesn't satisfy me in the least."

Massie's HR can be found here, not sure if you've read it yet. Please find a criticism of the bill or stop responding. I believe this is the closest we're ever going to get to full transparency on this issue.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text


Condescension aside, I did read it and as I suspected before reading it Section 2(c) results in nothing more than you are already getting. Now I question if you read it.

I don't know how I can be clearer. And I have said it before. All materials, every last pixel, page, paragraph, period, person. Unredacted. And I mean none.

Anything short of that results in the endless back and forth, which you seem highly committed to, regarding how much is enough.

Not sure what your infatuation with Massie is. Again, he gave so many options for exclusion that even the stuff they have released would be more than he allows to be excluded.

You fell for his bloviating whataboutme tactics. Sorry dude.

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"(c) Permitted Withholdings.

"(1) The Attorney General may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that

"(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims' personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

"(B) depicts or contains child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 22522252A;

"(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;

"(D) depicts or contains images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person; or

"(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.

"(2) All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress.

"(3) To the extent that any covered information would otherwise be redacted or withheld as classified information under this section, the Attorney General shall declassify that classified information to the maximum extent possible.

"(A). If the Attorney General makes a determination that covered information may not be declassified and made available in a manner that protects the national security of the United States, including methods or sources related to national security, the Attorney General shall release an unclassified summary for each of the redacted or withheld classified information.

"(4) All decisions to classify any covered information after July 1, 2025 shall be published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress, including the date of classification, the identity of the classifying authority, and an unclassified summary of the justification.



Finally an actual criticism of the bill, before it was just "Massie is a grandstander and pretty much a Dem" without any actual substance.

So when you say "All materials, every last pixel, page, paragraph, period, person. Unredacted. And I mean none." you want them to include (A), (B), and (D), depicting the victim's identity, CP and death? That's pretty extreme but I admire your dedication to the truth.

I can see why somebody wouldn't like (C) and (E) but at least the end of the text you provided forces the govt to declassify said information, or at the very minimum provide a summary. Thats much better than what we are currently getting with Comer.

If you had the choice between what the government is forced to provide under this HR, and what was released today, which would you choose?
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In what world does Congress force the "government" (assume you mean Executive) to do anything?

C and D leaves it up to the Executive to make the decision. Congress doesn't get to say "nun uh, we don't like your decision". They could try and take it up to SCOTUS but again heavy deference will be given to the Executive.

Regarding which is better, I really don't know what to tell you. I have stated my position. Release it all, or move on. I am not going to keep typing out what I mean by all, but Coop's bill would not have has a Section 2(c).
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To the truth coming out.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Don't know why this is so damn difficult for the doj, fbi and trump. Just release the doc. Redact the victims names.

Call it a day. Easy peasy.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Don't know why this is so damn difficult for the doj, fbi and trump. Just release the doc. Redact the victims names.

Call it a day. Easy peasy.

Because there is a coverup occurring
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Keyno said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Don't know why this is so damn difficult for the doj, fbi and trump. Just release the doc. Redact the victims names.

Call it a day. Easy peasy.

Because there is a coverup occurring


Its the Israelis!
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Response from Massie:

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Trump needs to be careful. This really could weaken his support.
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PaulsBunions said:

Response from Massie:



This really makes Trump look terrible in my opinion. He used to talk about ending corruption and being transparent
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For folks that oppose him, it's yet another opportunity to open a sock account and do the subtle bash approach.
Trump doesn't do things for nothing. He's not sheltering himself br has a reason as to why he is doing what he is, and your timeline don't fit.
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Deerdude said:

For folks that oppose him, it's yet another opportunity to open a sock account and do the subtle bash approach.
Trump doesn't do things for nothing. He's not sheltering himself br has a reason as to why he is doing what he is, and your timeline don't fit.


The "Trump is playing 4D chess" narrative kinda fell flat when he let Fauci run the country in 2020. We're not falling for that anymore
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BBRex said:

Trump needs to be careful. This really could weaken his support.

the subtleness of this is A+ level.
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Ha, I'm not trying to be subtle. It should be a real concern. Trump has been able to accomplish what he has because he's been able to mobilize a base. The Epstein case has fractured that base. And it's a sign of how much it has fractured that Republicans in Congress are willing to support a measure that Trump is clearly against. There isn't a lot of good that can come from this for Trump, but a lot of ways it can go wrong.
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PaulsBunions said:

Deerdude said:

For folks that oppose him, it's yet another opportunity to open a sock account and do the subtle bash approach.
Trump doesn't do things for nothing. He's not sheltering himself br has a reason as to why he is doing what he is, and your timeline don't fit.


The "Trump is playing 4D chess" narrative kinda fell flat when he let Fauci run the country in 2020. We're not falling for that anymore


I never said that. There are probably several investigations into what's on that list, not who which is what the minions want to see.
I slept well last night not knowing the name on the list. I will tonight as well.
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trump may "lose support" from twitter accounts, but overall no one really cares about this. its a non-issue on main street away from the internet

if the economy gets humming, trump will roll through the midterms with even more support.
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PaulsBunions said:

Deerdude said:

For folks that oppose him, it's yet another opportunity to open a sock account and do the subtle bash approach.
Trump doesn't do things for nothing. He's not sheltering himself br has a reason as to why he is doing what he is, and your timeline don't fit.


The "Trump is playing 4D chess" narrative kinda fell flat when he let Fauci run the country in 2020. We're not falling for that anymore


No, you back to falling for Massie being a champion of truth along with his best buddy… Ro Khana?

Yep, you still being fooled just back to doing so with the MSM and libs (and a swamp rat TDS sufferer or two).
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Well said.
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Polling data bears this out. A few small issue focused groups are screeching at eachother over social media about it but in electorate polling it ranks at the bottom of concerns. It's great for bot farms and trolls though.
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Many of the girls were probably runaways or taken by Mall rats. I've heard there are guys in malls just looking for girls to traffic. So dropping off your daughter at the mall may be questionable in this world.
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Who?mikejones! said:

The reality is trump isnt going to be able to crawfish completely outta this one without spending tons of political capital.

It doesn't seem to me that conservatives operate on political capital anymore? That was the entire point of building a cult of personality. They no long need capital, just undying support of a central figure. See: Religion.


I mean when you can campaign explicitly on releasing info and then turn around and call your followers idiots and the entire thing you campaigned on a hoax...? Mission accomplished, as they say.
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Whoop2 said:

Many of the girls were probably runaways or taken by Mall rats. I've heard there are guys in malls just looking for girls to traffic. So dropping off your daughter at the mall may be questionable in this world.


Virginia Guthrie is the standard mark.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

Deerdude said:

For folks that oppose him, it's yet another opportunity to open a sock account and do the subtle bash approach.
Trump doesn't do things for nothing. He's not sheltering himself br has a reason as to why he is doing what he is, and your timeline don't fit.


The "Trump is playing 4D chess" narrative kinda fell flat when he let Fauci run the country in 2020. We're not falling for that anymore


No, you back to falling for Massie being a champion of truth along with his best buddy… Ro Khana?

Yep, you still being fooled just back to doing so with the MSM and libs (and a swamp rat TDS sufferer or two).


I don't trust any politician and especially the ones in DC. You can cry TDS all you want, I think Massie's HR is the closest we'll ever get to anything near closure on the Epstein issue. Its certainly better than the heavily redacted files that released yesterday.

I don't believe the Epstein issue will affect the midterms that much either, the Dems are currently up the creek without a paddle.
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Looks like survivors are taking it to the public which is good, this is going to get interesting.
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She committed suicide this year reportedly.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Polling data bears this out. A few small issue focused groups are screeching at eachother over social media about it but in electorate polling it ranks at the bottom of concerns. It's great for bot farms and trolls though.


Yep. I have yet to hear from one person IRL about this topic. Not one. Even from Trump haters.

I wonder why that is ...
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ETFan said:

Who?mikejones! said:

The reality is trump isnt going to be able to crawfish completely outta this one without spending tons of political capital.

It doesn't seem to me that conservatives operate on political capital anymore? That was the entire point of building a cult of personality. They no long need capital, just undying support of a central figure. See: Religion.


I mean when you can campaign explicitly on releasing info and then turn around and call your followers idiots and the entire thing you campaigned on a hoax...? Mission accomplished, as they say.


Says the dude that said Biden was cognizant of anything and Barry and Mike did no wrong.
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You continue to put too much into that HR. It's gutless with the 2 paragraphs I pointed out.

Trump already instructed Bondi to do exactly what is laid out in that HR. Release all that can be released.

You are correct, zero impact on the midterms unless there is a specific person or issue affected, but that is an unknown at this point.

If Massie wanted to get a nod from me, then he would be simultaneously calling for a look into HOW such an operation got started, how the girls were trafficked, and why with the high profile it took so ****ing long for anything to come out.

The how not the who and how do you stop it.
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BMX Bandit said:

trump may "lose support" from twitter accounts, but overall no one really cares about this. its a non-issue on main street away from the internet

if the economy gets humming, trump will roll through the midterms with even more support.

This is a bad thing, not a moot point that should be glossed over.

Our populace, and unfortunately the so called conservative wing, are becoming apathetic to government malfeasance. Queue the "nothing will happen" nonsense a lot of people like to spew. Trump flip flopping on this issue should be a red flag to many and we should be thankful Massie is trying to shine a light on this.

And Trump would still roll through midterms if he supported the release of unredacted Epstein files. There is no logical reason to be against what Massie is doing.
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