If they didn't fix the offensive line after last season, what gives you confidence that they'll do it this off-season?

superaggie73 said:

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Texan_Aggie said:

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That and there wasn't much trading of offensive positions. Texans don't need any defensive pieces that are glaring. I don't blame them for sitting pat.

Was the last big trade at the deadline we had Demarius Thomas? Generally these are underwhelming because it takes a bit to learn the new system.

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I would have offered Hunter to the Cowboys for a 1st. I bet they would have accepted it.

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I would not have. Even if we're not winning, I like Hunter purely for WAJ mentorship.

Matthew Wright signed to replace injured Fairbairn

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-texans-sign-k-matthew-wright-with-kaimi-fairbairn-injured

No QB, no kicker, it's time to active the Jack Pardee protocol that he once threatened when both Moon and Carlson were looking injured one week.

Figure out what WR or DB played QB in high school and run the option.

On week in the 90s when Moon was hurt, Carlson was coming back from injuries, and whoever the third string was also hurt, Pardee famously said at a press conference that if Carlson got hurt they were going to put Ernest GIvins at QB and run the option. I never wanted an injury to happen so badly in my life, but alas, Carlson stayed upright.

Snake Jazz said:

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I don't blame the Texans for sitting still. They're not winning anything this season and deep down they have to know that. This offseason you go all in on building an offensive line, and if they can't, heads need to roll.

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Right. Trading for one great O lineman isn't suddenly going to kickstart that offense.

No cj either

Iambob said:

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No cj either

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and Will Anderson is probably out as well, along with Pitre.

Looks like I can make other plans for noon on Sunday...

Apparently we have decided to go ahead and tank this season.

Iambob said:

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No cj either

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CJ doesn't score.....only Fairbairn, so no big loss without CJ

You know, I was thinking about the Colts and getting Sauce, and I suddenly realized something that then generated a question. If the Colts do hit and make the super bowl (let me take a moment to get over I said that), and Seattle, which is starting to look like the best team in the NFC also makes the super bowl. Does the Vikings ownership have a moment where they contemplate clearing house of AD and KOC? As in this scenario, the two starting QBs in the Super Bowl will have both been on the Vikings last year and they passed on signing either of them.

Snake Jazz said:

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rrn130 said:

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If they didn't fix the offensive line after last season, what gives you confidence that they'll do it this off-season?

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I have no confidence that they'll be able to fix it, but that is clearly the main (only?) objective. They're pretty good across the board, but one position is absolutely killing them. It's bizarre to me how awful they have been at developing this one unit of the team, because they've been pretty good at almost everything else. Defense is good everywhere, and CJ and the skill positions are good or even great when given any kind of blocking to work with.

It's hard to be as bad at building an offensive line as they've been. They use day one and day two draft picks all the time, and they pretty much universally stink. Hope Ersery breaks this trend, but I wonder if he isn't better suited for right tackle than left tackle.

Next year, you have to continue to give Ersery a run at one of the tackle spots. Tytus Howard is probably your best overall lineman, even though he is very average across the board. Maybe he could move inside if there is a tackle you love in the first round. Ed Ingram has played well enough that maybe you bring him back. Outside of that, nobody should feel real comfortable in their job. Sign a free agent or two, and you draft at least two.

The thing I worry most about with the offensive line is their ability to coach them up. Caley was a risky hire, and promoting the assistant offensive line coach from a horrible offensive line makes absolutely no sense. If I'm Cal/Hannah (Cannah), Nick and DeMeco need to know that failure to improve the offensive line and restore the team to playoff status next year will force some hard decisions.

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Agreed on everything there. The part that still makes me scratch my head is this exact analysis applied at the end of last season too. I just hope we make the right moves going forward - it feels like we're so close

As a somewhat Vikings fan also living up here, my thoughts are with the way Darnold leaked oil so bad down the stretch last year it ruined him. Kudos to him for having a great year.

Danny Dimes is a different story. He was barely here and didn't even play. I don't think anyone saw his comeback coming.

rrn130 said:

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Snake Jazz said:

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rrn130 said:

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If they didn't fix the offensive line after last season, what gives you confidence that they'll do it this off-season?

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I have no confidence that they'll be able to fix it, but that is clearly the main (only?) objective. They're pretty good across the board, but one position is absolutely killing them. It's bizarre to me how awful they have been at developing this one unit of the team, because they've been pretty good at almost everything else. Defense is good everywhere, and CJ and the skill positions are good or even great when given any kind of blocking to work with.

It's hard to be as bad at building an offensive line as they've been. They use day one and day two draft picks all the time, and they pretty much universally stink. Hope Ersery breaks this trend, but I wonder if he isn't better suited for right tackle than left tackle.

Next year, you have to continue to give Ersery a run at one of the tackle spots. Tytus Howard is probably your best overall lineman, even though he is very average across the board. Maybe he could move inside if there is a tackle you love in the first round. Ed Ingram has played well enough that maybe you bring him back. Outside of that, nobody should feel real comfortable in their job. Sign a free agent or two, and you draft at least two.

The thing I worry most about with the offensive line is their ability to coach them up. Caley was a risky hire, and promoting the assistant offensive line coach from a horrible offensive line makes absolutely no sense. If I'm Cal/Hannah (Cannah), Nick and DeMeco need to know that failure to improve the offensive line and restore the team to playoff status next year will force some hard decisions.

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Agreed on everything there. The part that still makes me scratch my head is this exact analysis applied at the end of last season too. I just hope we make the right moves going forward - it feels like we're so close

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Agreed. If they can just solve this one area of the team and make them competent, they might end up being very good. But, it doesn't matter who your QB or your RB is when offensive line play is as trashy as it has been. If they can't fix this next year, they risk completely derailing CJ's development. Heck, it might be too late for that.

Pahdz said:

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As a somewhat Vikings fan also living up here, my thoughts are with the way Darnold leaked oil so bad down the stretch last year it ruined him. Kudos to him for having a great year.

Danny Dimes is a different story. He was barely here and didn't even play. I don't think anyone saw his comeback coming.

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Oh I agree, but at the same time, if both of them reach the super bowl and the vikings don't make the playoffs with the QB they wanted....then yeah, the heat should be turned up a ton (fair or not on performance last year).

Snake Jazz said:

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rrn130 said:

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Snake Jazz said:

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rrn130 said:

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If they didn't fix the offensive line after last season, what gives you confidence that they'll do it this off-season?

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I have no confidence that they'll be able to fix it, but that is clearly the main (only?) objective. They're pretty good across the board, but one position is absolutely killing them. It's bizarre to me how awful they have been at developing this one unit of the team, because they've been pretty good at almost everything else. Defense is good everywhere, and CJ and the skill positions are good or even great when given any kind of blocking to work with.

It's hard to be as bad at building an offensive line as they've been. They use day one and day two draft picks all the time, and they pretty much universally stink. Hope Ersery breaks this trend, but I wonder if he isn't better suited for right tackle than left tackle.

Next year, you have to continue to give Ersery a run at one of the tackle spots. Tytus Howard is probably your best overall lineman, even though he is very average across the board. Maybe he could move inside if there is a tackle you love in the first round. Ed Ingram has played well enough that maybe you bring him back. Outside of that, nobody should feel real comfortable in their job. Sign a free agent or two, and you draft at least two.

The thing I worry most about with the offensive line is their ability to coach them up. Caley was a risky hire, and promoting the assistant offensive line coach from a horrible offensive line makes absolutely no sense. If I'm Cal/Hannah (Cannah), Nick and DeMeco need to know that failure to improve the offensive line and restore the team to playoff status next year will force some hard decisions.

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Agreed on everything there. The part that still makes me scratch my head is this exact analysis applied at the end of last season too. I just hope we make the right moves going forward - it feels like we're so close

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Agreed. If they can just solve this one area of the team and make them competent, they might end up being very good. But, it doesn't matter who your QB or your RB is when offensive line play is as trashy as it has been. If they can't fix this next year, they risk completely derailing CJ's development. Heck, it might be too late for that.

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The crazy thing is, why is the o-line so bad? I can understand why they're not good with the players we have, but at some point when you look at other teams who are missing multiple starters on the o-line yet still can have a decent to good offense, you have to really look at what's going on here for them to be so bad. Other teams backups can't be that much better than our starters? I can't believe it's only the OC after this being such an issue on back to back years? But it's not just the o-line, the defense for how great they are has moments where they have a breakdown, and while that happens to all defenses, that moment with the Texans has been in the most critical moments of the game. No matter how bad the offense was, in the TB, Jacksonville, and Denver game the defense gave up game winning drives because of mental lapses, not because the opposing offenses were better.

I know I joked around about it in this thread, but when it comes down to it, this Texans team really does remind me of A&M with Jimbo fisher. So much talent everywhere, yet always has a bad o-line, defense has random breakdowns in critical moments, QBs seem to struggle even when things do go well. And, the thing that comes down to it, is the culture of the team. Players didn't put in the extra work to be sharp and mentally prepared for Jimbo, and I worry that's whats happening with DeMeco, just for different reasons. Unlike Jimbo, who was a control freak that the game passed by and couldn't deal, I think DeMeco is too much of a players coach. I think he view the players more as friends than as employees. And while they respect DeMeco the person and the player, I think at an almost sub-conscious level they don't respect DeMeco the coach because they view him in that same friend level way. You can run a team this way, you can't demand they focus on the details this way, you can't really build the type of culture that DeMeco wants this way. It's not going to work. DeMeco needs to hire someone who can teach him how to command a team, and how to change that player respect.

And I could be completely wrong, but it can't just be talent at o-line, I think when you take a step back and look at the larger picture, it's just part of a bigger problem unfortunately.

IrishAg said:

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You know, I was thinking about the Colts and getting Sauce, and I suddenly realized something that then generated a question. If the Colts do hit and make the super bowl (let me take a moment to get over I said that), and Seattle, which is starting to look like the best team in the NFC also makes the super bowl. Does the Vikings ownership have a moment where they contemplate clearing house of AD and KOC? As in this scenario, the two starting QBs in the Super Bowl will have both been on the Vikings last year and they passed on signing either of them.

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It shows you how good of a franchise the Seahawks are. They locked in Sam Darnold for 3 years. He is playing like a top 5 QB at the moment. Throwing the ball to JSN (elite) and then a bunch of rookies and no names. They added Saheed since Kupp is falling apart.

They got rid of Lockett and DK (both smart moves). They let Geno walk (really smart move).

texagbeliever said:

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IrishAg said:

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You know, I was thinking about the Colts and getting Sauce, and I suddenly realized something that then generated a question. If the Colts do hit and make the super bowl (let me take a moment to get over I said that), and Seattle, which is starting to look like the best team in the NFC also makes the super bowl. Does the Vikings ownership have a moment where they contemplate clearing house of AD and KOC? As in this scenario, the two starting QBs in the Super Bowl will have both been on the Vikings last year and they passed on signing either of them.

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It shows you how good of a franchise the Seahawks are. They locked in Sam Darnold for 3 years. He is playing like a top 5 QB at the moment. Throwing the ball to JSN (elite) and then a bunch of rookies and no names. They added Saheed since Kupp is falling apart.

They got rid of Lockett and DK (both smart moves). They let Geno walk (really smart move).

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I think that Saheed trade was a big move for them. Someone to take the top off and remove pressure on JSN is perfect. I also like their TE.

Agree on Lockett and DK.

it is wild that Sam Darnold is about to lead another NFC team to the playoffs

IrishAg said:

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You know, I was thinking about the Colts and getting Sauce, and I suddenly realized something that then generated a question. If the Colts do hit and make the super bowl (let me take a moment to get over I said that), and Seattle, which is starting to look like the best team in the NFC also makes the super bowl. Does the Vikings ownership have a moment where they contemplate clearing house of AD and KOC? As in this scenario, the two starting QBs in the Super Bowl will have both been on the Vikings last year and they passed on signing either of them.

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My buddy and I were talking the other day, and whoever decided to draft JJ McCarthy is the one who should be scrutinized heavily. KOC has shown that he can win a with and develop older failed qbs as reclamation projects, but he has no idea how to coach young guys. Why would they spend the draft capital on JJ and go all in on him? Makes no sense.