Im Gipper said:

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Along those lines, was it Pence that appointed to the coronavirus task force? Did Pence give Fauci a medal? Was it Pence that could have fired Fauci?

"The buck stops with someone else". He will have an excuse. Don't worry.

Trump screwed up royally in letting Fauci dictate policy . No amount of spin can change that!

If you take away Covid from April 2020 forward I give Trump an "A" for his first term. So spare me the TDS attempts to deflect from reality.

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Did you have a name back in early 2020 that you proposed to Trump and they rejected?

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PaulsBunions said:

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Bottom line, I would love to see all the 'elite' that were part of the Epstein circle revealed and hammered. However, I live in the real world!

I know that this will never happen. As mentioned just above, how come there has not been a revealing of names by the group of survivors!? Hmmmmm why not?

I'll tell you why not, because one of two things will happen.

1. Those whose names are attached will sue the ever living bejeebers out of them.

2. Many will commit 'suicide' like Virginia Guiffe (sp?). (Yea if you believe she committed suicide I have some really good Nigerian oil deals for you to invest in. LOL}

Furthermore, let us not forget that just because these women claim that they have been used/raped and trafficked by some prominent person, does not mean it's true. Let us not forget the Duke Lacrosse team.

Simple, it's easy to make all kinds of claims, proving it in a court of law (even a civil one) after many years, is an entirely different deal.

I have been around long enough to know that women and girls don't always tell the truth in these scenarios.

I myself have experienced this. Back when I was single and was working as youth pastor, I was confronted because a girl claimed to have had a heavy petting and make out session with me! IT WAS A TOTAL LIE.

In fact when I was confronted, and I asked who this was they were slow to tell me. I forced them to under scriptural mandates. The truth was I hadn't had any physical contact with any girl. So when they gave me the name I said, WHO?! I didn't even know who it was.

Yet, it still took some time for them to clear this and there was talk going on outside the leadership.

False accusations of this nature can be devastating and they go like wild fire.

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That's why the government should release what they have to corroborate victim's testimony. The allegations against you were baseless, the allegations by the Epstein victim's aren't. The problem is Trump doesn't want the files released (probably because some donor or ally would be embarrassed) so Bondi isn't doing anything with it. Right now its up to Trump to tell Bondi to do the right thing but he isn't doing it for some reason.

Massie's HR is the only alternative, but Mike Johnson decided to send the house to a recess (delaying the signatures for a month) then delayed the swearing in of the 218th vote before the shutdown. So the "most transparent admin in history" is not being so transparent after all. Its not TDS to criticize Trump for how this whole mess was handled, and Massie doesn't have TDS for seeking transparency from the federal government.

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Ahh, how do you know, (you have already been judge and jury!). What if there names mentioned there that really did nothing!?

Again, making accusations is easy, proving it and making it stick is an entirely different deal.

And I am not getting into other troubling issues. Virginia G was like what 17 when she got into this?

That age of consent in Texas and many other states. Shoot we had 16 year olds getting married commonly not that long ago!

Anyone trying to tell me a 16 year old girl (even younger) is not aware of their sexuality and know how to use it, is an idiot!

Now, we also have the very real possibility of a lot fabricated stuff added to this as well. and now it is doubly difficult to separate truth from lies and lives can be destroyed.

This is not a simple issue, at all. It is complex, and proving anything here is going to be very hard.

As for me, if I was just a simple youth pastor who had know knowledge of the law (both secular and scripture) my life would of been totally screwed over. There was some residue left even after everything was resolved. (the girl admitted it was not true) but the gossip had already gone outside the camp.

This why 'bearing false witness against some one is one of the ten most vile sins. It is absolutely horrid.

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PaulsBunions said:

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I think he's saying the victims haven't released the names because of the fear of the lawsuit, not the FBI.

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Yet they stood out on the capitol steps claiming solidarity and claimed they would release their own names and crickets. It's all for show. If they were actually real victims they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Testify under oath not simply making claims at some podium. Their own testimony is evidence. Names places times and dates. Epstein is a known scumbag who liked underage girls. Their story will be hard to disprove. And the last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in legal discovery, everyone has skeletons in their closet. There are no water walkers in this deal.

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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I think he's saying the victims haven't released the names because of the fear of the lawsuit, not the FBI.

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Yet they stood out on the capitol steps claiming solidarity and claimed they would release their own names and crickets. It's all for show. If they were actually real victims they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Testify under oath not simply making claims at some podium. Their own testimony is evidence. Names places times and dates. Epstein is a known scumbag who liked underage girls. Their story will be hard to disprove. And the last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in legal discovery, everyone has skeletons in their closet. There are no water walkers in this deal.

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Im Gipper said:

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Did you have a name back in early 2020 that you proposed to Trump and they rejected?

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Red herring flagged!

Try again!

The buck stops with Trump. Picking Fauci was bad. He had no way of knowing at the time.

Trump should have FIRED Fauci in Summer 2020! Get it? Got it? Good.

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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I think he's saying the victims haven't released the names because of the fear of the lawsuit, not the FBI.

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Yet they stood out on the capitol steps claiming solidarity and claimed they would release their own names and crickets. It's all for show. If they were actually real victims they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Testify under oath not simply making claims at some podium. Their own testimony is evidence. Names places times and dates. Epstein is a known scumbag who liked underage girls. Their story will be hard to disprove. And the last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in legal discovery, everyone has skeletons in their closet. There are no water walkers in this deal.

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Easy for you to say with no skin in the game ngl. If these claims were baseless Trump should simply release it all to prove it.

Also, they had provided testimony previously and Accosta had it sealed in the 2008 plea deal.

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PaulsBunions said:

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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I think he's saying the victims haven't released the names because of the fear of the lawsuit, not the FBI.

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Yet they stood out on the capitol steps claiming solidarity and claimed they would release their own names and crickets. It's all for show. If they were actually real victims they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Testify under oath not simply making claims at some podium. Their own testimony is evidence. Names places times and dates. Epstein is a known scumbag who liked underage girls. Their story will be hard to disprove. And the last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in legal discovery, everyone has skeletons in their closet. There are no water walkers in this deal.

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Easy for you to say with no skin in the game ngl. If these claims were baseless Trump should simply release it all to prove it.

Also, they had provided testimony previously and Accosta had it sealed in the 2008 plea deal.

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PaulsBunions said:

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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I think he's saying the victims haven't released the names because of the fear of the lawsuit, not the FBI.

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Yet they stood out on the capitol steps claiming solidarity and claimed they would release their own names and crickets. It's all for show. If they were actually real victims they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Testify under oath not simply making claims at some podium. Their own testimony is evidence. Names places times and dates. Epstein is a known scumbag who liked underage girls. Their story will be hard to disprove. And the last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in legal discovery, everyone has skeletons in their closet. There are no water walkers in this deal.

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Easy for you to say with no skin in the game ngl. If these claims were baseless Trump should simply release it all to prove it.

Also, they had provided testimony previously and Accosta had it sealed in the 2008 plea deal.

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Sealed testimony? You have a link to any proof of your claim?



According to Acosta:

Acosta laid out why he thought the victims' statements and issues of jurisdiction would have posed challenges to the case if it had gone to trial in 2008.

"Every attorney that looked at the case, from the prosecuting attorney, again, through the entire chain, looked at the evidence, and there were evidentiary issues with the victims," Acosta stated. "Many victims refused to testify. Many victims had changing stories. All of us understood why they had changing stories, but they did. And defense counsel would have cross-examination would have been withering."

Acosta also said investigators did not have evidence that Epstein traveled with any victims across state lines, which would have supported a federal charge, or that there were other individuals involved.

"At the time, one of the major questions in the case was, is this a Federal case or is it a local case?" Acosta said.

https://www.wisn.com/article/labor-secretary-alex-acosta-epstein-plea-deal/69078041

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PaulsBunions said:

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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I think he's saying the victims haven't released the names because of the fear of the lawsuit, not the FBI.

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Yet they stood out on the capitol steps claiming solidarity and claimed they would release their own names and crickets. It's all for show. If they were actually real victims they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Testify under oath not simply making claims at some podium. Their own testimony is evidence. Names places times and dates. Epstein is a known scumbag who liked underage girls. Their story will be hard to disprove. And the last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in legal discovery, everyone has skeletons in their closet. There are no water walkers in this deal.

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Easy for you to say with no skin in the game ngl. If these claims were baseless Trump should simply release it all to prove it.

Also, they had provided testimony previously and Accosta had it sealed in the 2008 plea deal.

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What did you think of Acosta's testimony that was released on Friday?

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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Well while everyone wants to point at Trump and Bondi for not releasing names where is this bunch that claimed they were going to release names of their own list???? Crickets

Guess they are covering for the rich and famous too

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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Well while everyone wants to point at Trump and Bondi for not releasing names where is this bunch that claimed they were going to release names of their own list???? Crickets

Guess they are covering for the rich and famous too

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Is it just me or are there a few too many smiling faces in that crowd of "survivors"? I have no doubt that terrible things happened to some of them, but they seem way too happy about it all

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agent-maroon said:

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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Well while everyone wants to point at Trump and Bondi for not releasing names where is this bunch that claimed they were going to release names of their own list???? Crickets

Guess they are covering for the rich and famous too

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Is it just me or are there a few too many smiling faces in that crowd of "survivors"? I have no doubt that terrible things happened to some of them, but they seem way too happy about it all

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agent-maroon said:

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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Well while everyone wants to point at Trump and Bondi for not releasing names where is this bunch that claimed they were going to release names of their own list???? Crickets

Guess they are covering for the rich and famous too

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Is it just me or are there a few too many smiling faces in that crowd of "survivors"? I have no doubt that terrible things happened to some of them, but they seem way too happy about it all

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