DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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In reply to BMX Bandit • 9:04a, 7/20/25
BMX Bandit said:
What's your expectation on what that discovery will show?


It will confirm everything Mattressburn and FobTies have been posting about. Their q anon level drivel will all be shown for the truth it is!

But reality is there will be no discovery as the WSJ doesn't even have direct confirmation of what the letter / card says even though they supposedly seen it.

After 10 years, some folks think Trump will be sunk by a birthday card he didn't write / draw. Pretty legit.
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9:37a, 7/20/25
The hope is It will allow the card to be viewd by 3rd party authenticator and put that to rest, but will open up the "file" of other abusers, how much that is the biggest question.
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In reply to Burpelson • 9:40a, 7/20/25
Burpelson said:
The hope is It will allow the card to be viewd by 3rd party authenticator and put that to rest,


Prepare to be disappointed

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but will open up the "file" of other abusers, how much that is the biggest question.


What file? This makes no sense.
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In reply to Burpelson • 9:42a, 7/20/25
Burpelson said:
The hope is It will allow the card to be viewd by 3rd party authenticator and put that to rest, but will open up the "file" of other abusers, how much that is the biggest question.


A file of other abusers? What does that mean?
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10:53a, 7/20/25
Update: Looks like there is an OPR record of Alex Acosta denying knowledge of Epstein being an intel "asset" specifically, with a 201 file. Still no record of Acosta denying his claim he was told "Esptein belonged to intelligence", presumably as Cooperative Contact, Co-optee, or Laison/Facilitator (below).

As I have been saying, we probably get a new formal DOJ/CIA/FBI denial of Epstein working "for" intel, or being an "asset/agent". That can be legitimately denied, however they cant deny a broader connection under one of these lower level arrangements. Those type of "off the record" relationships are more than sufficient to accomplish deep state ends.

So the damning Acosta comment came in the Trump transition team vetting him. That witness who reported it remains anonymous, and without that testimony or a recording, maybe its a dead end. That leaves actual deep state ops and financing deals being exposed like Iran-Contra with Khashoggi. Or an outside chance the Dems get subpoena power and decide to sniff down the intel path, and not Trump misconduct path. Doubtful dems ever expose deep state ties if Bondi, Bongino, Patel chose to not to.




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In reply to Burpelson • 10:55a, 7/20/25
Burpelson said:
The hope is It will allow the card to be viewd by 3rd party authenticator and put that to rest, but will open up the "file" of other abusers, how much that is the biggest question.

None of this will happen. First, it will likely get dismissed because Trump didn't give the WSJ enough notice before filing the lawsuit. He'll likely be allowed to refile, and when he does, WSJ files an anti-SLAAP motion, the case is dismissed, and Trump is ordered to pay WSJ's fees and costs.
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12:43p, 7/20/25
Charlie Gasparino was on Fox News MediaBuzz this morning. He discussed his 2019 interview with Epstein and a discussion he had with a billionaire who also knew Epstein.

Mentioned 3 distinct things. Epstein was a dirty pedo. Epstein was not a hedge fund manager (and added Epstein would rather be called a pedo over hedge fund manager). And that Epstein was evidently respected as a wealth manager which provided him the access to the power, ultra wealthy folks he is pictured and associated with.

Gasparino and the other pundit (Ben?) were both adamant that there has not been any evidence showing that Epsteins world of wealth manager and world of pedo overlapped. And that linking the two worlds is something that has been created by the media and interwebs / podcasters.

I had not heard that particular distinction made and I am not sure how well it holds up, but both were quite confident in the distinction that the worlds of Epstein did not overlap.

One more anecdote... the concept of files, lists and videos being maintained by those engaging in illegal activities is sort of the opposite of reality. Al Capone stories and Heidi Fleiss scandals aside, it is not good practice to keep detailed records and evidence of your crimes.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:03p, 7/20/25
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One more anecdote... the concept of files, lists and videos being maintained by those engaging in illegal activities is sort of the opposite of reality. Al Capone stories and Heidi Fleiss scandals aside, it is not good practice to keep detailed records and evidence of your crimes.

the mossad has a detailed data set.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:07p, 7/20/25
keeping detailed records and evidence of other people's crimes is exactly how blackmail works.
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In reply to Gig em G • 1:12p, 7/20/25
Gig em G said:
keeping detailed records and evidence of other people's crimes is exactly how blackmail works.

Believe what you want to believe. UFOs, Bigfoot, and Epstein client lists. All part of the same.

But you probably believed Trump kept Chinese war plans to sell to Russian assets at Mar-a-Lago.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:15p, 7/20/25
Holy goal tending.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:17p, 7/20/25
flown-the-coop said:
Gig em G said:
keeping detailed records and evidence of other people's crimes is exactly how blackmail works.

Believe what you want to believe. UFOs, Bigfoot, and Epstein client lists. All part of the same.

But you probably believed Trump kept Chinese war plans to sell to Russian assets at Mar-a-Lago.

Lol...what? OK.

I'm also not holding out for "a list" to be released publicly. Just FYI. I want at least public disclosure of the blackmail operation that he was obviously running
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 1:18p, 7/20/25
Yukon Cornelius said:
Holy goal tending.

What am I goaltending? Or was gaslight, strawman, etc unavailable for use on a Sunday.

Goaltending would be me saying Epstein is a great guy if you just got to know him.

I relayed information from a news program this morning. I am also suspect that there is this trove of explosive detailed information that shows a cabal of pedos running the globalist regime.

Me being skeptical is not goaltending. Learn terminology.
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In reply to Gig em G • 1:20p, 7/20/25
Gig em G said:
flown-the-coop said:
Gig em G said:
keeping detailed records and evidence of other people's crimes is exactly how blackmail works.

Believe what you want to believe. UFOs, Bigfoot, and Epstein client lists. All part of the same.

But you probably believed Trump kept Chinese war plans to sell to Russian assets at Mar-a-Lago.

Lol...what? OK.

I'm also not holding out for "a list" to be released publicly. Just FYI. I want at least public disclosure of the blackmail operation that he was obviously running

Obviously?

Again, there should be more information if this was happening. Maybe there is. But I do not think anything on this has been shown thus far, no?
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1:32p, 7/20/25
Epstein was a con man who also was a serious pedo and found other pedos and took them to his island. No Spy crap necessary. It's a sick world.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 1:54p, 7/20/25
"Con men" dont get a slap on the wrist for sexual solicitation of a minor. Men who "belong to intelligence" and facilitate Iran Contra type deals get that kinda treatment.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 5:17p, 7/20/25
flown-the-coop said:
Gig em G said:
flown-the-coop said:
Gig em G said:
keeping detailed records and evidence of other people's crimes is exactly how blackmail works.

Believe what you want to believe. UFOs, Bigfoot, and Epstein client lists. All part of the same.

But you probably believed Trump kept Chinese war plans to sell to Russian assets at Mar-a-Lago.

Lol...what? OK.

I'm also not holding out for "a list" to be released publicly. Just FYI. I want at least public disclosure of the blackmail operation that he was obviously running

Obviously?

Again, there should be more information if this was happening. Maybe there is. But I do not think anything on this has been shown thus far, no?


Yeah, it's very obvious at this point. IMO
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In reply to Gig em G • 5:45p, 7/20/25
Of course. I mean it was obvious he conspired with Russia in 2016.

It was obvious he threatened Zelensky if he didn't fabricate dirt on Biden.

It was obvious COVID came from a wet market.

And certainly it was obvious Biden was 100% the hardest working, most competent, cognitively superior POTUS evah!
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 5:53p, 7/20/25
flown-the-coop said:
Of course. I mean it was obvious he conspired with Russia in 2016.

It was obvious he threatened Zelensky if he didn't fabricate dirt on Biden.

It was obvious COVID came from a wet market.

And certainly it was obvious Biden was 100% the hardest working, most competent, cognitively superior POTUS evah!


No…For what we are actually discussing in this thread.
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In reply to Gig em G • 5:58p, 7/20/25
Yeah, that was the point. You are buying into another lie and calling it obvious. That seems sad to me.
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In reply to FobTies • 8:49p, 7/20/25
FobTies said:
"Con men" dont get a slap on the wrist for sexual solicitation of a minor. Men who "belong to intelligence" and facilitate Iran Contra type deals get that kinda treatment.





I bet you're real at Tin Foil Parties.
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In reply to austinAG90 • 9:24p, 7/20/25
Tin foil?

This isnt a story about a random creep who ran a pedo ring to blackmail the rich and powerful. All the assets Epstein acquired to enable the victimization of underage girls, came from decades of brokering back door deals for the US and Israeli governments.

Nothing personal to you, more to Trump, Bondi, Patel, Bongino, and JD who know Epstein brokered deals, but won't admit it for fear of opening a huge can of worms on Trumps watch. They also want to write Epstein off as a stand alone creep.
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In reply to Secolobo • 7:05a, 7/21/25
Just 2 days after Epstein's death, Ghislaine Maxwell was photographed at an In-N-Out Burger reading The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives by Ted Gup. There are a dozen other facts to corroborate this hint by Maxwell. Would be great to hear from her and have Bondi, Patel and Bongino all goal tend for the deep state.

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In reply to flown-the-coop • 7:31a, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:

It will confirm everything Mattressburn and FobTies have been posting about. Their q anon level drivel will all be shown for the truth it is!

Are you able to quote anything from me that is "q anon level drivel". Ive spent a lot of time digging up details not widely covered in the media.

Ive been pretty consistent regarding this all being about a cover up of Epstein's deal brokering with US and Israeli governments, not a coverup of Trump being complicit in a pedo ring.

Was Khashoggi also made up "q anon drivel"?
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8:10a, 7/21/25
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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In reply to FobTies • 8:10a, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
flown-the-coop said:

It will confirm everything Mattressburn and FobTies have been posting about. Their q anon level drivel will all be shown for the truth it is!

Are you able to quote anything from me that is "q anon level drivel". Ive spent a lot of time digging up details not widely covered in the media.

Ive been pretty consistent regarding this all being about a cover up of Epstein's deal brokering with US and Israeli governments, not a coverup of Trump being complicit in a pedo ring.

Was Khashoggi also made up "q anon drivel"?

I appreciate your diligent research into the facts of this coverup
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 11:21a, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
Yeah, that was the point. You are buying into another lie and calling it obvious. That seems sad to me.


I find it sad that you have already written this off as a lie and reject all the evidence we DO have that's been repeatedly posted in this thread. I think you like many just want to bury your head in the sand because it's such a tough pill to swallow.
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In reply to FobTies • 11:58a, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
In a prior prison housing arrangement there was an attempt to take his life by an ex dirty cop named Tartaglione. Epstein didn't beat his own azz in that situation. You dont ever hear much about that.


Here is an issue. You present this as fact. Now, you can choose not to believe Tartaglione, his lawyer, and the official investigation. But you are absolutely taking a rumor here and presenting it as verified information.

Again, we can dismiss NBC News as a known liar.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-s-former-cellmate-cleared-wrongdoing-incident-preceded-his-n1043341

But the NY Post has shown repeatedly they will go against the grain and report stories that may be inconvenient to the elites. But 5 years later their article from a month ago hints at no conspiracy around the July 23rd "beating" Epstein received.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-s-former-cellmate-cleared-wrongdoing-incident-preceded-his-n1043341

And finally we can step back, look at the pic of that dude with his little pup Gucci, and see pretty clearly that if he wanted to eliminate Epstein he was more than physically capable. And he was always looking at multiple life sentences, so logic doesn't support his being afraid of the consequences.

So you can have two media sources and simple logic that severely undermines your "Epstein didn't beat his own azz" 'fact'.
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In reply to Gig em G • 12:00p, 7/21/25
Gig em G said:
flown-the-coop said:
Yeah, that was the point. You are buying into another lie and calling it obvious. That seems sad to me.


I find it sad that you have already written this off as a lie and reject all the evidence we DO have that's been repeatedly posted in this thread. I think you like many just want to bury your head in the sand because it's such a tough pill to swallow.

Laughable. I go against the grain all the time here so the concept I will sit by with the status quo is indeed humorous.

And what is the tough pill to swallow? Lies, supposition and innuendo? Yea, I find it tough to swallow those things as facts. See example I just posted.
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In reply to FobTies • 12:13p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
Ag13 said:
I don't think this is a realistic excuse for the current behavior. If evidence was destroyed to perpetuate the cover up, you would think Trump would be jumping at the opportunity to blame that on the Biden administration and possibly even prosecute those responsible.


I dont think its likely either. But still possible, and if there was no prosecution for Crossfire Hurricane, there likely wouldnt be enough to prosecute Epstein coverup either.

We know that Kevin Clinesmith was following orders from FBI brass to do what he did in misleading FISA court to spy on Trump. The problem is Comey didnt leave any evidence behind, so it was written off as a rogue agent, who walked without even losing his law license.

All it takes is some outside Jew lawyer to tell another FBI Jew lawyer to make it all disappear. But as you point out, that could be happening under Trump's watch too. Especially after he stepped in defensively today to basically say "nothing to see here, waste of time".

Is this fact as well? That if you need to make things in go away you need to Jewish lawyers to conspire?

Can one Jew get this done or do you need two? Why not a third Jew?
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:19p, 7/21/25
Do you know anything about that first "suicide" attempt other than what the feds have told you and the press to believe?

Did you know the request jail footage of that first incident was requested by attorneys, confirmed to exist, then was destroyed? And the backup storage of the file was also missing due to "technical errors"?

Epstein was arrested on July 6th, assaulted July 23, and murdered Aug 10. Per his lawyer and bro, he was looking forward to his hearing, hopeful about his appeal, and possibly of awaiting trial from the outside.

Im sure you didnt believe the gov when they told you Trump colluded with Russia or Putin hacked our election with a few FB ads and social media bots. But now you want to selectively believe Epstein was suicidal, and the footage mishaps in BOTH incidents are just a coincidence.

If you want to support Trump against the BS allegations involving bday cards and Epstein party vids, you should throw the baby out with the bath water. Lost of deepstate shenanigans with Epstein preceded Trump, and thats where the focus should be.



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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:24p, 7/21/25
flown-the-coop said:

Is this fact as well? That if you need to make things in go away you need to Jewish lawyers to conspire?

Can one Jew get this done or do you need two? Why not a third Jew?

Lol, out of all my posts you had to cherry pick a comment about Jewish lawyers, and take it literal.
Israeli fingerprints are all over this. He fled to Israel after conviction, then returned for his slap on the wrist Palm Beach.

Why dont you try to find anything I have posted about Epstein's ties to intel and money laundering connections.

If Trump posted about Epstein doing shady deals with deep state, you would take it to the bank in a heartbeat. But when he tells everyone they are stupid and its all a left wing hoax, you come here to marginalize posters like me trying to get to bottom of the real issue.
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In reply to FobTies • 12:28p, 7/21/25
No, I am perfectly fine in being open to certain conspiracies that turn out to be true because its not totally reliant on supposition, innuendo and stringing together bits and pieces to fit your Mossad narrative.

I am aware of the video issues with that detention center. Problem with the missing video is that you now rely completely on the word of others and that can be debated ad infinitum. But missing video doesn't make your "version" any truer. And therein lies your problem.
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In reply to FobTies • 12:36p, 7/21/25
FobTies said:
flown-the-coop said:

Is this fact as well? That if you need to make things in go away you need to Jewish lawyers to conspire?

Can one Jew get this done or do you need two? Why not a third Jew?

Lol, out of all my posts you had to cherry pick a comment about Jewish lawyers, and take it literal.
Israeli fingerprints are all over this. He fled to Israel after conviction, then returned for his slap on the wrist Palm Beach.

Why dont you try to find anything I have posted about Epstein's ties to intel and money laundering connections.

If Trump posted about Epstein doing shady deals with deep state, you would take it to the bank in a heartbeat. But when he tells everyone they are stupid and its all a left wing hoax, you come here to marginalize posters like me trying to get to bottom of the real issue.

You have made multiple comments hyper focused on Jews. Note Jewish lawyers in America and Israel / Mossad are not the same thing, so thats sort of a weird duck.

In my opinion, you are trying to develop and sell a narrative to folks that ignores reality, logic, and comes with a dearth of facts. It is not marginalizing you to point out the flaws, inconsistencies and absence of information beyond innuendo and supposition.

Oh, and yes Epstein but particularly Maxwell were very well connected in the powerful NYC and S Florida wealthy, powerful, elite circles. And those connections do include many prominent Jews, and Jewish folk like to do business with one another. So even if Epstein and Ghislaine were squeaky clean pillars of society, those same connections would be there.

Going from Bad Dude had Connections to Others therefore Others Must be Bad Dudes is a leap I am not able to make at this time.
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