DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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8:53a, 7/13/25
Whenever I am evaluating how believable a conspiracy theory is, I ask myself the question if I was reading a spy novel and this was part of that book's plot….is there a major plot hole that ruins the suspension of disbelief?

A major plot hole in the conspiracy theory that Epstein was murdered is that Ghislaine Maxwell is still alive, a person who was intimately involved with his predations and knew everything and yet if some powerful person or organization felt it necessary to murder Epstein to protect information then inexplicably let her continue to walk around breathing.

Ghislaine Maxwell still alive and well wrecked my Suspension of Disbelief so I am out on the Epstein murdered conspiracy theory.
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In reply to Im Gipper • 8:54a, 7/13/25
Im Gipper said:



I guess the most charitable reading here is "There is no bombshell client list and never was. It was of course extremely politically beneficial to claim it existed, was being suppressed by our enemies, and that it'd finally see the light of day when we take back over. Now let's move on to real stuff."
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In reply to Pumpkinhead • 8:54a, 7/13/25
Have you seen Maxwell? Spoken to her?

Her being "alive" is just a distraction "they" want you to believe to throw you off the trail.

I'm Gipper
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In reply to Correction • 8:55a, 7/13/25
Nailed it!

I'm Gipper
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In reply to Correction • 9:01a, 7/13/25
Correction said:
Im Gipper said:



I guess the most charitable reading here is "There is no bombshell client list and never was. It was of course extremely politically beneficial to claim it existed, was being suppressed by our enemies, and that it'd finally see the light of day when we take back over. Now let's move on to real stuff."


Then why all the vague subterfuge? Why not just come out and say that???
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9:07a, 7/13/25
All I know is this is some 4D chess maneuvers going on.


/sarcasm
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In reply to Juan Lee Pettimore • 9:09a, 7/13/25
Juan Lee Pettimore said:
Correction said:
Im Gipper said:



I guess the most charitable reading here is "There is no bombshell client list and never was. It was of course extremely politically beneficial to claim it existed, was being suppressed by our enemies, and that it'd finally see the light of day when we take back over. Now let's move on to real stuff."


Then why all the vague subterfuge? Why not just come out and say that???


You mean go "Harry Reid ala Mitt Romney's taxes"? That ain't gonna happen with this group. The point is both sides use stuff for political expediency. And yet neither side thinks their side does.
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In reply to OPAG • 9:30a, 7/13/25
OPAG said:
https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/73624

I found this to be an interesting take:

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BREAKDOWN: Trump's Epstein Post Is a Warning Not a Defense

Trump just dropped a long, chaotic post on Truth Social.
At first glance, it looks like he's just defending Pam Bondi, but read between the lines; this is way bigger.

He's not just attacking the Left…
He's calling out a Deep State psy-op and even turning on his own base.
Let's unpack it:

1. "They created the Epstein Files…"

"They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier…"

Trump isn't saying the Epstein operation was fake he's saying the evidence left behind was manufactured. That the files inherited from the previous administration were intentionally corrupted.

He's drawing a straight line:
Steele Dossier = Fake
Epstein Files = Same playbook

This is Trump calling the entire public record a staged intelligence op, designed to spark internal collapse not expose real criminals.

2. "Now my so-called 'friends' are playing right into their hands."

This isn't just rage at the Deep State it's Trump blasting his own movement.

He sees MAGA being psy-opped, manipulated into chasing ghosts and turning on itself right before the election.

This is a direct warning to people like Bongino, Patel, and even the grassroots: Stop falling for the bait.

3. "They haven't even given up on the JFK or MLK Files."

This line is huge. Trump links Epstein to the deepest, darkest state secrets in U.S. history the JFK and MLK assassinations.

He's saying: These are the same people. Same tactics. Same machinery of silence. This isn't just a scandal it's a continuation of historic Deep State black ops.

4. "Kash Patel, and the FBI, must be focused…"

Trump orders MAGA-aligned FBI figures to drop the Epstein narrative and stay on voter fraud, ActBlue, and the 2020 steal.

Why?
Either he's got the goods and is using them for leverage.
Or he knows the Epstein files were tampered with and the whole thing is a trap a narrative crafted to derail MAGA from within.

Either way, the message is clear: Don't take the bait. Stay on mission.

5. "A guy who never dies," Epstein himself

This is maybe the wildest part of Trump's post and it's not random. It sounds like more than a figure of speech. It may confirm what many of us suspected and it echoes what Megyn Kelly hinted at:

"I can't tell you how I know, but I can tell you for a fact we're gonna hear a lot more about Jeffrey Epstein in the coming year, and you may be even hearing from him directly."

Are we talking about Epstein being alive? Are we looking at an intelligence-managed exile? Is Trump stalling because the plan isn't to release files but to release Epstein himself, when the moment is right?

To sum up:
Trump accuses the Deep State of creating the Epstein Files not just leaking them.
He's furious with his own allies for falling into the trap.
He connects Epstein secrecy to JFK/MLK-level coverups.
He seems rattled suggesting there's something very real, or very dangerous, behind the curtain.

This is either:
- the cover-up of the century

- a precision psy-op by the Deep State to make MAGA look divided

- OR a genius move by Trump to create climax for the grand finale: Epstein himself.



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In reply to 96AgGrad • 10:02a, 7/13/25
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It's an issue because Trump and Bondi made it an issue, and then pretended it wasn't one.

-This x 1000. If they had not gone on Fox 2 WEEKS ago and said they were about to be released, and just quietly moved on, it might have fallen out of the spotlight. This whole thing makes no sense.
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In reply to Ervin Burrell • 10:03a, 7/13/25
Ervin Burrell said:
Old McDonald said:
"no one cares"

*posts ten times in the thread about the topic*


Yup. "I'm so utterly convinced that the entire country couldn't care less about this, yet I'm still going to devote a dozen posts to defending my God Emperor."

I care, and I'm a big time supporter
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10:43a, 7/13/25

Thank you Mike, very cool!
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10:49a, 7/13/25
This is not going away anytime soon, the more DJT doth protest the worse it gets with maga base.
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11:39a, 7/13/25


Soundtrack for Pamela learning the hard way not to comment on documents she hasn't seen yet.
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12:12p, 7/13/25
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.
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12:13p, 7/13/25
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maga-world-erupts-over-trumps-defense-bondi-amid-epstein-files-fallout

Here we go
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In reply to zb008 • 1:14p, 7/13/25
zb008 said:
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.


What "files"?

People need to be specific with what exactly they think is being withheld. The broad term "Epstein Files" allows it to be attributed to something like a "client blackbook" and dismissed wholly. Like how we saw Trump make it out to be some fake news story planted by the left.

We should make the feds address specific elements like his death and connection to Intel agencies.
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In reply to zb008 • 1:16p, 7/13/25
zb008 said:
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.


Bingo. This.
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In reply to zb008 • 1:21p, 7/13/25
zb008 said:
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.


That is a VERY strong statement for you to make.

So you don't think this would have come up before if there was evidence to suggest this? Or maybe you know more than any one else out there who wanted to dig up dirt on Trump. PROOF of Trump being a pedophile would have cost him every election.

Regardless, that seems like a VERY strong statement for you t make unless you're 100% certain.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 1:25p, 7/13/25
The Fall Guy said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maga-world-erupts-over-trumps-defense-bondi-amid-epstein-files-fallout

Here we go

Yah, Trump has not done a good job "reading the room" on this one.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 1:26p, 7/13/25
aginlakeway said:
zb008 said:
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.


That is a VERY strong statement for you to make.

So you don't think this would have come up before if there was evidence to suggest this? Or maybe you know more than any one else out there who wanted to dig up dirt on Trump. PROOF of Trump being a pedophile would have cost him every election.

Regardless, that seems like a VERY strong statement for you t make unless you're 100% certain.



Trumps followers will follow him into Hell. The man can do no wrong and every problematic thing he does or is accused of is brushed off as liberal lies.
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In reply to 2008and1 • 1:30p, 7/13/25
Especially thinking we are dumb enough to to think we don't care about Epstein and that this is a Hillary, Obama lie. Just push that narrative and thr lemmings will follow up his rear end.

The Dems are just as bad for saying Trump was involved. If he was they would use it as fodder. Meaning there are people that both sides dont want the world to see. Probably all of them had orgys with each other.
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1:31p, 7/13/25
Firing Bondi will not release Trump of this disaster. He showed who he is and only releasing the information could get him back on track.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 1:32p, 7/13/25
The Fall Guy said:
Especially thinking we are dumb enough to to think we don't care about Epstein and that this is a Hillary, Obama lie. Just push that narrative and thr lemmings will follow up his rear end.

The Dems are just as bad for saying Trump was involved. If he was they would use it as fodder. Meaning there are people that both sides dont want the world to see. Probably all of them had orgys with each other.
I do 100% believe Trump is in the files. I also 100% believe dems are in the files…..
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In reply to 2008and1 • 1:32p, 7/13/25
2008and1 said:
aginlakeway said:
zb008 said:
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.


That is a VERY strong statement for you to make.

So you don't think this would have come up before if there was evidence to suggest this? Or maybe you know more than any one else out there who wanted to dig up dirt on Trump. PROOF of Trump being a pedophile would have cost him every election.

Regardless, that seems like a VERY strong statement for you t make unless you're 100% certain.



Trumps followers will follow him into Hell. The man can do no wrong and every problematic thing he does or is accused of is brushed off as liberal lies.


Not me. I would have a serious problem with anyone who is a pedophile.

I just happen to believe that if he was -- and if there was proof of it -- it would have come out before he was ever elected POTUS. No way that smoking gun doesn't come out.

Being called a true pedophile requires a very high bar of proof IMO.
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In reply to L7 WEENIE • 1:33p, 7/13/25
L7 WEENIE said:
The Fall Guy said:
Especially thinking we are dumb enough to to think we don't care about Epstein and that this is a Hillary, Obama lie. Just push that narrative and thr lemmings will follow up his rear end.

The Dems are just as bad for saying Trump was involved. If he was they would use it as fodder. Meaning there are people that both sides dont want the world to see. Probably all of them had orgys with each other.

I do 100% believe Trump is in the files. I also 100% believe dems are in the files…..


What are the "files?" What is meant by that term?
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 1:33p, 7/13/25
I have no doubt there are people in power on both sides of the aisle that were involved with Epstein. I don't see anyone but Trump getting worshipped though.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 1:36p, 7/13/25
aginlakeway said:
L7 WEENIE said:
The Fall Guy said:
Especially thinking we are dumb enough to to think we don't care about Epstein and that this is a Hillary, Obama lie. Just push that narrative and thr lemmings will follow up his rear end.

The Dems are just as bad for saying Trump was involved. If he was they would use it as fodder. Meaning there are people that both sides dont want the world to see. Probably all of them had orgys with each other.

I do 100% believe Trump is in the files. I also 100% believe dems are in the files…..


What are the "files?" What is meant by that term?
list. Information. Evidence. Call it what you want.

Only one company makes "Kleenex" but everyone knows what you mean when you ask for one even if there is no Kleenex around
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In reply to aginlakeway • 1:36p, 7/13/25
aginlakeway said:
L7 WEENIE said:
The Fall Guy said:
Especially thinking we are dumb enough to to think we don't care about Epstein and that this is a Hillary, Obama lie. Just push that narrative and thr lemmings will follow up his rear end.

The Dems are just as bad for saying Trump was involved. If he was they would use it as fodder. Meaning there are people that both sides dont want the world to see. Probably all of them had orgys with each other.

I do 100% believe Trump is in the files. I also 100% believe dems are in the files…..


What are the "files?" What is meant by that term?







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Sources also said that the files are voluminous. There are 22 files containing over 500 pages in the FBI vault, a portal on the FBI's website accessible to the public. The bulk of those 11,000-plus pages are heavily redacted, and Justice Department prosecutors have fought their release for years. While Bondi pointed fingers at the FBI in New York, many more files exist in other jurisdictions. One critical source of evidence against Epstein was in the discovery for a Florida civil case brought by Epstein's victims against the FBI in 2008. That case spanned a decade and included tens of thousands of pages of material that sheds light on how federal prosecutors mishandled that early case. Not all the FBI documents connected to that case or the federal criminal case in Florida have been made public.



https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article301174364.html
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In reply to L7 WEENIE • 1:40p, 7/13/25
L7 WEENIE said:
aginlakeway said:
L7 WEENIE said:
The Fall Guy said:
Especially thinking we are dumb enough to to think we don't care about Epstein and that this is a Hillary, Obama lie. Just push that narrative and thr lemmings will follow up his rear end.

The Dems are just as bad for saying Trump was involved. If he was they would use it as fodder. Meaning there are people that both sides dont want the world to see. Probably all of them had orgys with each other.

I do 100% believe Trump is in the files. I also 100% believe dems are in the files…..


What are the "files?" What is meant by that term?

list. Information. Evidence. Call it what you want.


You believe 100% that Trump is in these files? OK. Is he on a list? Is there evidence against him? Is there information about him?

I need to find out more about Trump's role in all of this before passing judgment. And I am 100% not calling anyone a pedophile without evidence of such.

And yes, I would do the same thing for any politician, whether I supported him or not. Calling someone a pedophile transcends politics. IMO.

And again, ZERO chance I would have ever voted for Trump if he was a pedophile.
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1:41p, 7/13/25
I knew after Trump made those comments to media, and especially after his post, that F16 would totally shift their tone. It reminds me if the evolution of Patel and Bongino, and it all has the same denominator, obey Trump.

Trump went a long with the public and pretended to be on our side. Then when questions got too hot around his death and connection to Mossad, he started to get scared. He went with default, "fake news from left" and it worked. His base is parroting "nothing to see here".
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1:55p, 7/13/25
Three time Trump voter here because he was the better choice by far, no contest.

But I don't consider myself hardcore MAGA because I don't share the worship, cult-like following of his hardcore base. I feel free to agree and disagree with him on things as I see them.

Really like his work to keep taxes low, reduce regulations, end DEI, secure the border, deport illegal aliens, and call out the green climate scam. Also like that he's getting the Europeans to pony up more for their defense.

Don't like his big spending, or tariffs, or how he has sucked up to Putin.

You can't win 'em all... no politician will align with you 100%.

On this Epstein thing, I couldn't care less about it. If there was proof of politicians diddling kids, it would have come out by now by their opponents. No way that stays secret for so long. No way. It's time for those who are promoting this conspiracy to put up or shut up. Where's the proof?
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 2:04p, 7/13/25
MemphisAg1 said:
Three time Trump voter here because he was the better choice by far, no contest.

But I don't consider myself hardcore MAGA because I don't share the worship, cult-like following of his hardcore base. I feel free to agree and disagree with him on things as I see them.

Really like his work to keep taxes low, reduce regulations, end DEI, secure the border, deport illegal aliens, and call out the green climate scam. Also like that he's getting the Europeans to pony up more for their defense.

Don't like his big spending, or tariffs, or how he has sucked up to Putin.

You can't win 'em all... no politician will align with you 100%.

On this Epstein thing, I couldn't care less about it. If there was proof of politicians diddling kids, it would have come out by now by their opponents. No way that stays secret for so long. No way. It's time for those who are promoting this conspiracy to put up or shut up. Where's the proof?


I 100% agree with all of your post. I don't agree with 100% of what Trump does. But that won't ever happen with any politician who I support. My life is better with Trump in office vs. Harris. That's why I voted for Trump.

As far as what I bolded ... yep. The proof of Trump being a pedophile would have come out.
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 2:17p, 7/13/25
MemphisAg1 said:
Three time Trump voter here because he was the better choice by far, no contest.

But I don't consider myself hardcore MAGA because I don't share the worship, cult-like following of his hardcore base. I feel free to agree and disagree with him on things as I see them.

Really like his work to keep taxes low, reduce regulations, end DEI, secure the border, deport illegal aliens, and call out the green climate scam. Also like that he's getting the Europeans to pony up more for their defense.

Don't like his big spending, or tariffs, or how he has sucked up to Putin.

You can't win 'em all... no politician will align with you 100%.

On this Epstein thing, I couldn't care less about it. If there was proof of politicians diddling kids, it would have come out by now by their opponents. No way that stays secret for so long. No way. It's time for those who are promoting this conspiracy to put up or shut up. Where's the proof?



Why would the govt want proof of diddling kids getting out?
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In reply to 2008and1 • 2:18p, 7/13/25
2008and1 said:
aginlakeway said:
zb008 said:
Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are just being used as scapegoats here. The bottom line is that those files could be released TODAY if Trump wanted them to. He just doesn't want the world to know that he's a pedophile.


That is a VERY strong statement for you to make.

So you don't think this would have come up before if there was evidence to suggest this? Or maybe you know more than any one else out there who wanted to dig up dirt on Trump. PROOF of Trump being a pedophile would have cost him every election.

Regardless, that seems like a VERY strong statement for you t make unless you're 100% certain.



Trumps followers will follow him into Hell. The man can do no wrong and every problematic thing he does or is accused of is brushed off as liberal lies.


I disagree with this, I did not vote for him (although I believed and still do that he was far better than the alternative like many of his voters) and I question anyone who truly thinks Trump, a silver spooned big-city social elite "billionaire", is on their side (or that any politician is for that matter). BUT most of his supporters are not going to follow him through the fire on this one. I think the handling of Epstein has sufficiently tarnished the legacy of Donald Trumps presidency and wavered his average base. His supporters are intellectually honest enough to not let this one slide.

This is very very bad for our Country and I do not celebrate it.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 2:22p, 7/13/25
The Fall Guy said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Three time Trump voter here because he was the better choice by far, no contest.

But I don't consider myself hardcore MAGA because I don't share the worship, cult-like following of his hardcore base. I feel free to agree and disagree with him on things as I see them.

Really like his work to keep taxes low, reduce regulations, end DEI, secure the border, deport illegal aliens, and call out the green climate scam. Also like that he's getting the Europeans to pony up more for their defense.

Don't like his big spending, or tariffs, or how he has sucked up to Putin.

You can't win 'em all... no politician will align with you 100%.

On this Epstein thing, I couldn't care less about it. If there was proof of politicians diddling kids, it would have come out by now by their opponents. No way that stays secret for so long. No way. It's time for those who are promoting this conspiracy to put up or shut up. Where's the proof?



Why would the govt want proof of diddling kids getting out?

The majority of this board supported Trump, Bondi, Patel, and Bongino when they were elected/appointed as high integrity stewards to lead the US government in the fight of right vs. wrong. We've seen them go after criminals and wrongdoing in their short time in office thus far.

And now we believe they are deliberately withholding information that would put criminals behind bars?

Really?
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