DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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flown-the-coop said:

74OA said:

flown-the-coop said:

I don't believe they were the only ones investigated.

Link? I've not come across anything mentioning others being investigated.

Jean-Luc Brunel was linked to Epstein. He hung himself in jail in 2022.

Believe there was another female.

LOL. There is so much information available about Epstein. TV documentaries, articles, legal briefs, etc out in the public domain and those clamoring for the release of information are unaware of this simple fact.
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Buck Turgidson
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There is no president from either party who would release this info. If you don't understand by now that this was a Mossad operation, and that the US will never cross Israel, you just aren't a serious person. Israel attacked the USS Liberty and we let that slide. They have both parties in their pocket. Trump is imperfect but the best available option at present. Rational people don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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Buck Turgidson said:

There is no president from either party who would release this info. If you don't understand by now that this was a Mossad operation, and that the US will never cross Israel, you just aren't a serious person. Israel attacked the USS Liberty and we let that slide. They have both parties in their pocket. Trump is imperfect but the best available option at present. Rational people don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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Buck Turgidson said:

There is no president from either party who would release this info. If you don't understand by now that this was a Mossad operation, and that the US will never cross Israel, you just aren't a serious person. Israel attacked the USS Liberty and we let that slide. They have both parties in their pocket. Trump is imperfect but the best available option at present. Rational people don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

So we're defending Israel, giving them a F*kton of money and weapons every year, and the Israeli government is, and has done, things like this to Americans?

So, then, why do we keep them from being wiped off the face of the earth by every other nation in the region? How do we benefit from their slights?

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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How do we the citizenry benefit? We don't. But Israel does a great job of keeping American politicians under their thumb and smearing the non-compliant ones as heinous anti-Semites.
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Danimal said:

Anyone here defending the epstein cover up simply just has no moral compass. There should be consequences for what we all used to believe was sacred. Harming children.

But now that dear leader is supporting some of your personal interests? Trafficking or abusing kids is OK.

And if you don't believe that teens are children, defend your position. Come out and say it. Just saying you don't care about the epstein issue is grade A bull***** You can't desperately want to live in a moral society and disregard immorality at the same time. Hypocrisy levels are off the charts here.

Bill Clinton. Ask him. 28 flights to Epstein Island. Hillary knows. So does Bath House Barry.
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I have a hard time believing the Dems wouldn't have released dirt on Trump during the Biden Admin when they had the FBI in their pocket. They even manufactured an "intelligence" story in an attempt to impeach him. If they had dirt, they would have figured out a way to release just enough to tank his chances to win more of the moderate vote. He is their enemy #1 and they've sold their collective souls trying to kill him politically and literally.
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No Spin Ag said:

Buck Turgidson said:

There is no president from either party who would release this info. If you don't understand by now that this was a Mossad operation, and that the US will never cross Israel, you just aren't a serious person. Israel attacked the USS Liberty and we let that slide. They have both parties in their pocket. Trump is imperfect but the best available option at present. Rational people don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

So we're defending Israel, giving them a F*kton of money and weapons every year, and the Israeli government is, and has done, things like this to Americans?

So, then, why do we keep them from being wiped off the face of the earth by every other nation in the region? How do we benefit from their slights?




That's the point of blackmail. Do what we want, or we release you doing awful things to minors.
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Seems kinda tinfoil hatish, I would ponder simpler explanations, but it is fun to think there is some conspiracy.

Whatever it is, I'm sure it doesn't put Trump in a flattering light. He was one of Epstein's best friends.
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GMaster0 said:

Seems kinda tinfoil hatish, I would ponder simpler explanations, but it is fun to think there is some conspiracy.

Whatever it is, I'm sure it doesn't put Trump in a flattering light. He was one of Epstein's best friends.

Would you mind sharing the information that led you to the conclusion that they were best friends? I had the impression they hung out occasionally at Palm Beach or Manhattan charity and social events. Pre conviction, Epstein was a power player in those circles and it would make sense to be on a first name basis with the guy. But everything points to Trump distancing himself once he figured out that Epstein was a degenerate.
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As to being "best friends" I doubt it, but it's not really in dispute they were friends. Seems the friendship ended in the 2002-2007 range

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But everything points to Trump distancing himself once he figured out that Epstein was a degenerate.



According to Trump, the distancing was because Epstein was poaching employees from him. Here's the quote:

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People were taken out of the spa hired by him in other words, gone. And other people would come and complain, 'This guy is taking people from the spa,'" Trump said. "I didn't know that. And then when I heard about it, I told him, I said, 'Listen, we don't want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa, I don't want them taking people.' And he was fine. And then not too long after that, he did it again. And I said, 'Out of here.' "


https://www.npr.org/2025/07/29/nx-s1-5484136/trump-jeffrey-epstein-mar-a-lago-ghislaine-maxwell

There are reports from Mar-a-Lago members that Trump kicked him out of the club in 2007, which wouid be years after the poaching, including Guiffre

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Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after Epstein behaved inappropriately toward a club member's teenage daughter, according to journalists from the Miami Herald and Wall Street Journal. The reporters included some information about Trump's links to Epstein in their 2020 book, "The Grifter's Club: Trump, Mar-a-Lago, and the Selling of the Presidency."

A Mar-a-Lago member told the journalists that Trump had "kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member," Sarah Blaskey of the Miami Herald reported. "The way this person described it, such an act could irreparably harm the Trump brand, leaving Donald no choice but to remove Epstein."

The incident happened around October 2007, when Mar-a-Lago's registry listed Epstein's account as "closed," the Miami Herald reported.




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If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.
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techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.
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zoneag said:

No Spin Ag said:

Buck Turgidson said:

There is no president from either party who would release this info. If you don't understand by now that this was a Mossad operation, and that the US will never cross Israel, you just aren't a serious person. Israel attacked the USS Liberty and we let that slide. They have both parties in their pocket. Trump is imperfect but the best available option at present. Rational people don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

So we're defending Israel, giving them a F*kton of money and weapons every year, and the Israeli government is, and has done, things like this to Americans?

So, then, why do we keep them from being wiped off the face of the earth by every other nation in the region? How do we benefit from their slights?




That's the point of blackmail. Do what we want, or we release you doing awful things to minors.

Very terrorist of them.
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No Spin Ag said:

techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.


Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.
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Deerdude said:

No Spin Ag said:

techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.


Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.

I just wonder why Trump and his people talked so much about the files, had a photo-op at the WH with influencers and binders, people in his administration saying there was more to come, etc., and now crickets.

Also, it wasn't libs calling for the release of the files for the past few years; it was those on the right making the most noise about it.

Or did we just forget about that simple fact?
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Deerdude
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Because libs knew it was a nothing and now both sides know.
GMaster0
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It's because there is something nasty in there about Trump, its not like this administration wouldn't try to get points on their rivals if they could.

Each day that goes by it looks like Trump may have done something truly sinister with regard to Epstein. I don't care who was involved, they all should face the light if culpable.
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Because libs knew it was a nothing and now both sides know.


Then it's easy, no reason to NOT release it.
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I'm not saying there's anything truly incriminating about Trump in the files, but it's pretty obvious he determined that whatever is in there looks worse for him than just saying it's all a hoax and not releasing it. It's not very easy to come up with a scenario that gets you around that conclusion.
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FIDO_Ags said:

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Because libs knew it was a nothing and now both sides know.


Then it's easy, no reason to NOT release it.


I agree, but I'm not posting as a sock and did not care before and don't care now. A lib thinks there is something against Trump, and that was proven false by Biden
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I'm not saying there's anything truly incriminating about Trump in the files, but it's pretty obvious he determined that whatever is in there looks worse for him than just saying it's all a hoax and not releasing it. It's not very easy to come up with a scenario that gets you around that conclusion.


My WAG is that it's his nyc buddies like Mnuchin and others that are scattered through it and he's trying to protect them.
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Deerdude said:

No Spin Ag said:

techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.


Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.

Because it doesn't fit with their current narrative. Libs deal in narratives, not facts.
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Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.


I'm actually where you are except that I believe there is dirt in there on top Dems as well, i.e. Bill Clinton and others. I actually don't think there is anything in there with regards to Obama though since he didn't appear to run in those circles back then. For everything that Pelosi and the Dems tried to smear Trump with, they couldn't use the Epstein info on Trump without dirtying up Clinton. If you notice, none of the senior Dems really talk about Epstein.

Similarly, Trump doesn't really talk about it or hasn't brought it up himself, he usually responds when asked as he responds to any question asked, good or bad. It was Trump's minions like Bondi, Patel, Bongino, and podcasters that kept the narrative alive and now MAGA wants answers that neither Trump or top Dems want out there. I suspect it is sordid and involves a lot of people around the world and both parties want it to go away.

Edit to add, the other reason I don't think Obama is in there is because everything was about Hillary Clinton until Obama won Iowa.
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Deerdude said:

No Spin Ag said:

techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.


Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.

That is an immutable and undeniable fact. The Biden Administration had access to all the information seized.
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If there was even a scintilla of evidence these miscreants of the Democratic Party leadership would have
  • made sure it was broadcast endlessly by the MSM.
  • they most certainly would have had that POS AG Mayorkas charge President Trump.
They did make sure the MSM showed pictures of President Trump together with Epstein endlessly and still do today. They made damn sure the flight logs showing President Trump was on Epstein's plane were exposed, but no record President Trump ever was on Epstein's island, conveniently not reported by the MSM media. The corrupt, amoral, dishonest and dishonorable Democratic Party leadership continues to link President Trump to Epstein through his relationship in the late 1990s & very early 2000s.
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richardag said:

Deerdude said:

No Spin Ag said:

techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.


Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.

That is an immutable and undeniable fact. The Biden Administration had access to all the information seized.
IMHO
If there was even a scintilla of evidence these miscreants of the Democratic Party leadership would have
  • made sure it was broadcast endlessly by the MSM.
  • they most certainly would have had that POS AG Mayorkas charge President Trump.
They did make sure the MSM showed pictures of President Trump together with Epstein endlessly and still do today. They made damn sure the flight logs showing President Trump was on Epstein's plane were exposed, but no record President Trump ever was on Epstein's island, conveniently not reported by the MSM media. The corrupt, amoral, dishonest and dishonorable Democratic Party leadership continues to link President Trump to Epstein through his relationship in the late 1990s & very early 2000s.


Then again, the same democrats overlook something as simple as illegal entry into our country makes one, wait for it, illegal. They are criminals.
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I believe the trap has been set and Trump has united the democrats to push the release thinking that they are going to get Trump and it's going to blow up in their face. This smells of Wile E Coyote trap all over it. They've got got 212 Democrats and 12 Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and only need 218 to get the discharge petition done to order the DOJ to release the Epstein documents. Be careful what you wish for Dummies







Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna of California and Republican Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky are reigniting their push for the Justice Department to release files in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

Khanna says that "people are going to be outraged" after seeing a news conference he and Massie are holding on Wednesday with 10 victims of the late convicted sex offender.

The news conference is part of the effort by Khanna and Massie to pass through the House a bill requiring the Justice Department to release its files on the Epstein case.

"These victims haven't spoken for decades. When Epstein got that lenient plea deal, no one talked to the victims or their lawyers," Khanna said Monday in a Fox News Digital interview.

"My belief is, when the American people actually hear the victims for the first time, they are going to sympathize, their hearts are going to be broken, and all the victims are saying is for closure," he predicted.

Khanna argued that "there are a lot of other rich, powerful men, politicians, business leaders, who have committed abuse and who have not been held accountable. That's what we're going to hear on Sept. 3, and people are going to be outraged, and I don't see how, after that, the House can't vote for the release of these files."
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

I believe the trap has been set and Trump has united the democrats to push the release thinking that they are going to get Trump and it's going to blow up in their face. This smells of Wile E Coyote trap all over it. They've got got 212 Democrats and 12 Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and only need 218 to get the discharge petition done to order the DOJ to release the Epstein documents. Be careful what you wish for Dummies


Dude, no. This is QAnon 101. I can't believe I am still seeing this proposed seriously. Trump is not playing 10D chess.
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Keyno said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

I believe the trap has been set and Trump has united the democrats to push the release thinking that they are going to get Trump and it's going to blow up in their face. This smells of Wile E Coyote trap all over it. They've got got 212 Democrats and 12 Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and only need 218 to get the discharge petition done to order the DOJ to release the Epstein documents. Be careful what you wish for Dummies


Dude, no. This is QAnon 101. I can't believe I am still seeing this proposed seriously. Trump is not playing 10D chess.



Bless your little TDS heart
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

Keyno said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

I believe the trap has been set and Trump has united the democrats to push the release thinking that they are going to get Trump and it's going to blow up in their face. This smells of Wile E Coyote trap all over it. They've got got 212 Democrats and 12 Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and only need 218 to get the discharge petition done to order the DOJ to release the Epstein documents. Be careful what you wish for Dummies


Dude, no. This is QAnon 101. I can't believe I am still seeing this proposed seriously. Trump is not playing 10D chess.



Bless your little TDS heart

Haha what? Your theory that Trump is secretly setting traps is literally QAnon 101 and was the original basis for the entire thing. People have been claiming this literally since 2016. Keep trusting the plan I guess.
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Keyno said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

Keyno said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

I believe the trap has been set and Trump has united the democrats to push the release thinking that they are going to get Trump and it's going to blow up in their face. This smells of Wile E Coyote trap all over it. They've got got 212 Democrats and 12 Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and only need 218 to get the discharge petition done to order the DOJ to release the Epstein documents. Be careful what you wish for Dummies


Dude, no. This is QAnon 101. I can't believe I am still seeing this proposed seriously. Trump is not playing 10D chess.



Bless your little TDS heart

Haha what? Your theory that Trump is secretly setting traps is literally QAnon 101 and was the original basis for the entire thing. People have been claiming this literally since 2016. Keep trusting the plan I guess.


Jim and Ron Watkins may have trolled the masses but I have been clear that the whole thing was nonsense. Throwing out random predictions by the thousands and getting maybe a half dozen right my mere chance is nonsense.

But I guessing you're in the crowd that thinks Trump is actually protecting himself or others by not releasing the Epstein documents. Anyone with common sense knows if there was a shred of evidence that Trump or anyone related or closely associated with him were in the files they would have been leaked immediately. Trump withholding them immediately set off speculation he was on the so called list that never really existed. But I'm positive there's framing stuff in there just nothing related to Trump. Now he has 212 democrats all aligned demanding the release, perfect time to give them what they want. You can think what you want in My Lil Pony land but I'm betting it blows up in their faces
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Deerdude said:

No Spin Ag said:

techno-ag said:

If anything, Bill Clinton was a closer "friend" than Trump.

All efforts by Dems to firmly link Trump to Epstein beyond socially have failed.

And until the Epstein Files come out, the same can be said about the right's efforts to firmly link Bill, or anyone they hate on the left, to Epstein.

Now, if only the files were released, the American people could see and decide for themselves.

P.S. It is interesting to note that Bill and Donald did buddy around back in the day. It makes one wonder if there was any time both were with Epstein at his island. If only the files were released.


Do you just refuse to acknowledge that Biden had four years to find any dirt on DJT and could only try to create his own? I struggle to understand how libs completely look past this simple fact.

Because TDS is a hell of drug! LOL
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

Keyno said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

Keyno said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

I believe the trap has been set and Trump has united the democrats to push the release thinking that they are going to get Trump and it's going to blow up in their face. This smells of Wile E Coyote trap all over it. They've got got 212 Democrats and 12 Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and only need 218 to get the discharge petition done to order the DOJ to release the Epstein documents. Be careful what you wish for Dummies


Dude, no. This is QAnon 101. I can't believe I am still seeing this proposed seriously. Trump is not playing 10D chess.



Bless your little TDS heart

Haha what? Your theory that Trump is secretly setting traps is literally QAnon 101 and was the original basis for the entire thing. People have been claiming this literally since 2016. Keep trusting the plan I guess.


Jim and Ron Watkins may have trolled the masses but I have been clear that the whole thing was nonsense. Throwing out random predictions by the thousands and getting maybe a half dozen right my mere chance is nonsense.

But I guessing you're in the crowd that thinks Trump is actually protecting himself or others by not releasing the Epstein documents. Anyone with common sense knows if there was a shred of evidence that Trump or anyone related or closely associated with him were in the files they would have been leaked immediately. Trump withholding them immediately set off speculation he was on the so called list that never really existed. But I'm positive there's framing stuff in there just nothing related to Trump. Now he has 212 democrats all aligned demanding the release, perfect time to give them what they want. You can think what you want in My Lil Pony land but I'm betting it blows up in their faces


No I don't necessarily think Trump is criminally implicated in the files, although we know he is in them in some capacity, and whatever it is will look bad for him personally. If only because of his frequent association with Epstein. Trump is more than likely protecting Israel, because Epstein was a Mossad blackmail operative.
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Trump is in the files… I am sure he is.

Comey: "Biden is asking again if Donald John Trump was at Epstein Island. Have you found the evidence that Trump was there? Did Trump maybe even call Epstein while Epstein was there? Did Epstein ever call Trump about any interest Trump may have in having relations with underage females?"

Agent: "Wr found nothing."

Press and TDSers: "Trump's name is mentioned at least 5 times in relation to Epstein Island, phone calls and child sex trafficking."


And at this point, for anyone with an objective mind to still crutch on "I don't necessarily think Trump diddled kids…" is just indicative of someone being dishonest.

Zero, and I mean ZERO evidence or indication has ever been put forward indicating Trump sought relations with underage girls. Zero. Over 79+ years. Zero.

So cut the **** on "I don't think he is necessarily blah blah" which more clearly means you so wish they find something on Trump.
 
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