DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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In reply to e=mc2 • 8:46a, 9/25/25
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e=mc2 said:
shiftyandquick said:
WSJ article on how Trump and the WH have sought to suppress any discussion or inquiry into Epstein.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-epstein-white-house-response-8be88051


Paywall. Can you let me know who the sources are in the article? Surely they are named and are credible.




https://www.semafor.com/article/09/24/2025/massie-republican-leaders-threatened-supporters-of-push-to-release-epstein-files?s=09
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8:49a, 9/25/25
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The walls are closing in. I bet we have the full unredacted list by end of next week.

Unless Trump orders the government shut down and uses that to keep the list and all the ties to Mossad and the CIA secret.

It's the only explanation. Thank God for Massie and his support of Dems to get the list out.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 8:52a, 9/25/25
And how exactly does America benefit by that coming out?
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8:53a, 9/25/25
I'd maybe schedule confirmation vote right after budget bill passes.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 8:54a, 9/25/25
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flown-the-coop said:
The walls are closing in. I bet we have the full unredacted list by end of next week.

Unless Trump orders the government shut down and uses that to keep the list and all the ties to Mossad and the CIA secret.

It's the only explanation. Thank God for Massie and his support of Dems to get the list out.


What will this be a full unredacted list of?
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In reply to aginlakeway • 9:11a, 9/25/25
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aginlakeway said:
flown-the-coop said:
The walls are closing in. I bet we have the full unredacted list by end of next week.

Unless Trump orders the government shut down and uses that to keep the list and all the ties to Mossad and the CIA secret.

It's the only explanation. Thank God for Massie and his support of Dems to get the list out.


What will this be a full unredacted list of?


Names of all the child diddlers of course. Stories of Clinton raping girls on airplanes, all the major players in NYC, Ira Eli leaders, royals, other foreign leaders, how many time Trump was involved.

It's going to explain it all. We just need more Rs to get behind leader Massie to get the votes. Why is everyone trying so hard to protect the pedos!

In reality, there is no list, never has been a list. And given Epsteins connections and circle including Ghislaine and the international trips and properties and I would expect he had contact with domestic and foreign intelligence.

It's just entertaining to spout the other sides rhetoric then to realize how outlandish it sounds reading those words as I type.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:26a, 9/25/25
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Actually there is at least one list from the 2019 NY trafficking case. Those pesky judges and that plea deal Accosta gave Epstein in Florida is Patel's convenient excuse for not being forthcoming with it all.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 9:51a, 9/25/25
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"Unreleased documents with 20 names" =/= list

An unreleased document with 20 names would indicate a "list".

Again, release it all. But Massies behavior is headed into full MTG Matt Gaetz territory and he losing even more of what little credibility he had.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:20a, 9/25/25
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flown-the-coop said:
"Unreleased documents with 20 names" =/= list

An unreleased document with 20 names would indicate a "list".

Again, release it all. But Massies behavior is headed into full MTG Matt Gaetz territory and he losing even more of what little credibility he had.


"Yeah we should release it all but also Massie is losing credibility by pushing the government to releasing it all"

Fortunately his constituents in Kentucky continue to support him so us Texans' opinion of him personally doesn't mean much of anything lol
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In reply to Juan Lee Pettimore • 10:21a, 9/25/25
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And how exactly does America benefit by that coming out?

He's trolling.
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11:00a, 9/25/25
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218th signature confirmed
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In reply to Tea Party • 11:10a, 9/25/25
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Tea Party said:
Juan Lee Pettimore said:
And how exactly does America benefit by that coming out?

He's trolling.


Not trolling at all. Trolling is not engaging in the conversation. I have done plenty of that. Genuinely done that until the horse has been thoroughly demised. At some point, it becomes ripe for sarcasm to point out the outlandish was of those still rooting for ****** Massie.

Sarcasm = / = Trolling
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 11:53a, 9/25/25
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flown-the-coop said:
Tea Party said:
Juan Lee Pettimore said:
And how exactly does America benefit by that coming out?

He's trolling.


Not trolling at all. Trolling is not engaging in the conversation. I have done plenty of that. Genuinely done that until the horse has been thoroughly demised. At some point, it becomes ripe for sarcasm to point out the outlandish was of those still rooting for ****** Massie.

Sarcasm = / = Trolling


https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548558/replies/70745850

Here you are saying you keep coming back to this thread in order to make fun of people. Pretty sure that's trolling.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 12:01p, 9/25/25
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Quote:
1. Trolling
Please refrain from posting comments that are intended to draw other posters off-sides and not offered as a good faith attempt at constructive community discussion. We remove content meant to provoke and incite conflict within the community.


It is not my intent at all to draw someone offside. I have made a dutiful, genuine and good faith effort discussing the OP.

I added sarcasm and when it appeared someone missed that I was absolutely forthright that I was employing sarcasm. There are probably 50 posts on this thread laying out my thoughts and positions on this.

So no, it's not trolling. I am pointing out that some appear bizarrely upset in a concept of a list and they keep falling for the same hoaxes the left keep serving up to them.

And I've generally stayed away from this thread as there has been weeks with no new information.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:05p, 9/25/25
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Yeah you didn't violate any rules, instead you just gave the rest of us a good reason to not take you seriously.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 12:10p, 9/25/25
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Sorry, some like humor and sarcasm.

Others like bloviating buffoons who think only are about a team of one, themselves.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 12:14p, 9/25/25
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flown-the-coop said:
Sorry, some like humor and sarcasm.

Others like bloviating buffoons who think only are about a team of one, themselves.


218*
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 1:29p, 9/25/25
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218*

* brought to us by another party-line democrat voter. So along with this signature, we get votes for all those other, wonderful democrat policies.

Not singling you out because there have been plenty simply looking for the 218, regardless of what that costs in the bigger picture.

Something else I am curious about, because I struggle with following the logic:

  • the government machine is corrupt and we cannot trust them (don't disagree here)
  • the government machine is protecting the rich/powerful by hiding this information (don't disagree, but don't have any idea the extent)
  • these 218 signatures to force the government machine to give us everything (???)
I don't see how these signatures magically force the machine to do this if, in fact, the machine is truly focused on protecting the rich/elite.

Even if 20k, 30k, etc new, never-before-seen docs are released, who is to say it is everything? how are we to believe any names given up aren't just patsies given as fodder to protect the real offenders?
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1:45p, 9/25/25
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This is wild.
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We fixed the keg said:
218*

* brought to us by another party-line democrat voter. So along with this signature, we get votes for all those other, wonderful democrat policies.

Not singling you out because there have been plenty simply looking for the 218, regardless of what that costs in the bigger picture.

Something else I am curious about, because I struggle with following the logic:

  • the government machine is corrupt and we cannot trust them (don't disagree here)
  • the government machine is protecting the rich/powerful by hiding this information (don't disagree, but don't have any idea the extent)
  • these 218 signatures to force the government machine to give us everything (???)
I don't see how these signatures magically force the machine to do this if, in fact, the machine is truly focused on protecting the rich/elite.

Even if 20k, 30k, etc new, never-before-seen docs are released, who is to say it is everything? how are we to believe any names given up aren't just patsies given as fodder to protect the real offenders?

One thing is certain, if we don't at least try to get the truth, then for sure we'll never know.
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In reply to We fixed the keg • 10:18a
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We fixed the keg said:
218*

* brought to us by another party-line democrat voter. So along with this signature, we get votes for all those other, wonderful democrat policies.

Not singling you out because there have been plenty simply looking for the 218, regardless of what that costs in the bigger picture.

Something else I am curious about, because I struggle with following the logic:

  • the government machine is corrupt and we cannot trust them (don't disagree here)
  • the government machine is protecting the rich/powerful by hiding this information (don't disagree, but don't have any idea the extent)
  • these 218 signatures to force the government machine to give us everything (???)
I don't see how these signatures magically force the machine to do this if, in fact, the machine is truly focused on protecting the rich/elite.

Even if 20k, 30k, etc new, never-before-seen docs are released, who is to say it is everything? how are we to believe any names given up aren't just patsies given as fodder to protect the real offenders?


Correct, but it's yet another opportunity to expose the elite in our government and their donors who have ruined this country for going on 50 years. Every opportunity we have to increase distrust of the two party system is a win for America. Release the Epstein Encyclopedia. Republicans and Democrats are the same thing, just a puppet show so the ultra wealthy can keep taking our money and qualify of life.
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In reply to FWTXAg • 11:04a
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Correct, but it's yet another opportunity to expose the elite in our government and their donors who have ruined this country for going on 50 years. Every opportunity we have to increase distrust of the two party system is a win for America. Release the Epstein Encyclopedia. Republicans and Democrats are the same thing, just a puppet show so the ultra wealthy can keep taking our money and qualify of life.

I am not opposed to the outcome you are looking for, but I doubt this is where it will happen.

Assuming the corruption is as deeply entrenched as is thought, actionable/damning evidence will never see the light of day through some vote or legal process. It will take an "Edward Snowden" type of individual, or individuals, to bring this information to light.

Let's play the Massie/Khanna discharge petition out. Do you believe (1) information that will bring down hundreds of powerful individuals will be released, and (2) they will release everything and without massive redaction? Anything short of documents resulting in extremely wealthy/powerful people being outed/arrested will not put this topic to bed. Even if people where outed, there are people on the right that would still believe a cover-up if Clinton wasn't one and people on the left would say the same if Trump is not one.

I cannot think of how the Trump admin could have handled this any worse. It is just a ****-show from top to bottom, but here we are. That said, the Trump admin has done so many things I never thought would be done, and he has done some things that have made me scratch my head but turned out good.

Short of a whistleblower, or someone with access leaking docs, I doubt anything will ever come out.... regardless of what vote happens. I just hope we don't waste the opportunity given by putting Trump in office to make changes and start putting the breaks on the disaster we have been heading towards.
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In reply to We fixed the keg • 11:35a
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When the issue is an alleged pedophile ring of elites with probable foreign intelligence ties I would rather do all we can to find out the truth rather than sit on our hands and do nothing. Its only a partisan issue because Trump likely has some donors/friends that would be embarrassed by the truth, and has made it clear that questioning the Epstein issue is an attack on Trump. Trump/MAGA dominates the GOP so any Republican politician that goes against him will likely lose their next re-election.
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PaulsBunions said:
When the issue is an alleged pedophile ring of elites with probable foreign intelligence ties I would rather do all we can to find out the truth rather than sit on our hands and do nothing. Its only a partisan issue because Trump likely has some donors/friends that would be embarrassed by the truth, and has made it clear that questioning the Epstein issue is an attack on Trump. Trump/MAGA dominates the GOP so any Republican politician that goes against him will likely lose their next re-election.

Traffickers and pedophiles are among the most vile in humanity. I am not advocating "sitting on our hands and doing nothing", but I have no confidence in the current approach. Assuming there are dozens of very powerful people guilty as hell and there is evidence being hidden by people in our government to protect them, expecting a discharge petition will get that evidence released is very likely a pipe-dream. Saying the government is a corrupt bunch of elites playing us like puppets and then expecting that same government to come clean based on the fact that we have enough signatures is not realistic.

If what is alleged happened, and there is a massive cover-up, start offering rewards, legal services, and protection to encourage whistleblowers to come forward. We have leaks all over, surely you cannot keep every one of them silent. I still believe if there was any evidence against Trump directly, it would have already happened.
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In reply to We fixed the keg • 2:56p
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Correct, but it's yet another opportunity to expose the elite in our government and their donors who have ruined this country for going on 50 years. Every opportunity we have to increase distrust of the two party system is a win for America. Release the Epstein Encyclopedia. Republicans and Democrats are the same thing, just a puppet show so the ultra wealthy can keep taking our money and qualify of life.

I am not opposed to the outcome you are looking for, but I doubt this is where it will happen.

Assuming the corruption is as deeply entrenched as is thought, actionable/damning evidence will never see the light of day through some vote or legal process. It will take an "Edward Snowden" type of individual, or individuals, to bring this information to light.

Let's play the Massie/Khanna discharge petition out. Do you believe (1) information that will bring down hundreds of powerful individuals will be released, and (2) they will release everything and without massive redaction? Anything short of documents resulting in extremely wealthy/powerful people being outed/arrested will not put this topic to bed. Even if people where outed, there are people on the right that would still believe a cover-up if Clinton wasn't one and people on the left would say the same if Trump is not one.

I cannot think of how the Trump admin could have handled this any worse. It is just a ****-show from top to bottom, but here we are. That said, the Trump admin has done so many things I never thought would be done, and he has done some things that have made me scratch my head but turned out good.

Short of a whistleblower, or someone with access leaking docs, I doubt anything will ever come out.... regardless of what vote happens. I just hope we don't waste the opportunity given by putting Trump in office to make changes and start putting the breaks on the disaster we have been heading towards.


Very well put - particularly the highlighted portion.
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In reply to A.G.S.94 • 2:58p
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A.G.S.94 said:
We fixed the keg said:
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Correct, but it's yet another opportunity to expose the elite in our government and their donors who have ruined this country for going on 50 years. Every opportunity we have to increase distrust of the two party system is a win for America. Release the Epstein Encyclopedia. Republicans and Democrats are the same thing, just a puppet show so the ultra wealthy can keep taking our money and qualify of life.

I am not opposed to the outcome you are looking for, but I doubt this is where it will happen.

Assuming the corruption is as deeply entrenched as is thought, actionable/damning evidence will never see the light of day through some vote or legal process. It will take an "Edward Snowden" type of individual, or individuals, to bring this information to light.

Let's play the Massie/Khanna discharge petition out. Do you believe (1) information that will bring down hundreds of powerful individuals will be released, and (2) they will release everything and without massive redaction? Anything short of documents resulting in extremely wealthy/powerful people being outed/arrested will not put this topic to bed. Even if people where outed, there are people on the right that would still believe a cover-up if Clinton wasn't one and people on the left would say the same if Trump is not one.

I cannot think of how the Trump admin could have handled this any worse. It is just a show from top to bottom, but here we are. That said, the Trump admin has done so many things I never thought would be done, and he has done some things that have made me scratch my head but turned out good.

Short of a whistleblower, or someone with access leaking docs, I doubt anything will ever come out.... regardless of what vote happens. I just hope we don't waste the opportunity given by putting Trump in office to make changes and start putting the breaks on the disaster we have been heading towards.


Very well put - particularly the highlighted portion.

Catch up. It was shown definitively the government had zero to do with this several pages back.
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Well, Trump has ordered more docs release. I imagine this will have lots of flight logs and other pertinent information.

I do think we will get more on Epstein. Trump and his DOJ have priorities. I imagine they assumed there information on Epstein to be released. Then they opened the box labeled do not open and have the **** show you have seen over the past couple months.

But I do ultimately believe it will come out before the 4 years are up.
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In reply to techno-ag • 4:29p

Won't be wading through 96 pages and don't need to to determine the government (even with Trump at the helm) never does anything "definitively". I have followed closely enough to know it has not been handled well overall by the admin.

Don't worry, I am still a huge Trump fan, But he can't do everything himself, and I also know only one man walked on water and that was a while back.

BTW, I know you did not mention Trump, but I also know how things can go on f16.
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