It boggles my mind how invested some people are in the certainty of this conspiracy theory, but the desperation with which every hole or flaw in it is dismissed or rationalized away is even moreso. It's OK to admit your theory has holes and is missing hard evidence so is still only a theory. I'll even agree aspects of it are certainly coincidental and suspicious. I just don't see it making sense as versus he was just both a socialite constantly trolling for investment business and also a scumbag with scum bag girlfriend but did not need to combine the two efforts, let alone introduce the third element of some sort of Intel conspiracy. I don't find it impossible a handful of his close associates had the same vices and shared in some of his crimes but that still doesn't need to involve an extortion conspiracy or an intelligence agency conspiracy. The cultural phenomenon of conspiratorial interpretation is really starting to run wild. Turning over a few doesn't mean that all the rest are also true. Each must stand on its own facts and evidence.
DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list
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flown-the-coop said:Francis Macomber said:aginlakeway said:Francis Macomber said:
Only thing I am goaltending for is actual truth and not saying ridiculous statements without any proof.
And just like I thought, you are just completely talking out of your ass with no basis in fact. Absolute joke.
Like saying that MAGA was pedophile enabling?
I'd say the comment I am replying to is a perfect example of MAGA covering for pedophiles.
MAGA covering for pedophiles whilst pointing out true evil. What another disastrously off base take.
As the other poster says, which pedophiles are being covered for? If Trump engaged in it, I volunteer to put a bullet between his eyes.
But you hate Trump so much you want to shoot him between your eyes because... wait for it... your feels.
Sad. Very sad. And a little disgusting to be honest.
I have been very clear. I do not believe Trump engaged in nefarious activities with Epstein. I do not believe Epstein was murdered. I do believe Epstein, Ghislain, and other known conspirators of Epstein
It is also FACT that Trump has asked Bondi to release more information on Epstein. Something others have not done to date.
But you don't like facts nor do you have any desire for truth that may be inconvenient to your misguided feelings.
Did you just say that you would murder somebody, then say I also would murder somebody, and then say I am sad and disgusting because of this fantasy you completely made-up in your head?
Are you truly insane or do you think that you're some master manipulator that can just spew diarrhea and everybody is too stupid to figure out what you're trying to do?
flown-the-coop said:Keyno said:OPAG said:
I wouldn't be against that, I THINK.
However, why didn't the Dems release it, they had it for a long time now?
They have tried to make it all about Trump.
Don't get gaslit!
It's possible for Trump to NOT BE criminally implicated in the Epstein files, while still being compromised by Mossad in other ways.
Trump being compromised by Mossad is below the credibility of Russia pee tapes. Holy heck.
This!! And as Ronald Reagan said, "There he goes again". LOL
The TDS's and the globalist wicked antichrist, cannot stop trying to find something to pin on Trump to make him compromised. It's now psychopathic, really.
"only one thing is important!"
This is another interview with Julie Brown - the Miami Herald Reporter that blew all this up back in 2018 or so. This is a longer interview than the one she did with the Atlantic and it's with Ross Douthat, who I am sure is considered a RINO by many on here, but he is a conservative and a Republican. Little more details in this one than in the previous interview. Brown does a pretty good job of trying to stick with what she knows are facts or at least witness testimony. I think she has been told some pretty big names in confidence from some of the victims or the victims' lawyers, but she is not allowed to divulge them.
JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
Update: Ghislaine Maxwell's request to see her grand jury transcripts, even with DOJ's Todd Blanche agreeing to it, is denied just now by SDNY Judge Engelmayer. Maximum Maxwell: https://t.co/vHLVYhGe6u https://t.co/BVpJidNBrl pic.twitter.com/cbNPdZ6Jit
— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) July 23, 2025
“ How you fellas doin? We about to have us a little screw party in this red Prius over here if you wanna join us.”
lol no surprise Rosenberg…
Francis Macomber said:
Did you just say that you would murder somebody, then say I also would murder somebody, and then say I am sad and disgusting because of this fantasy you completely made-up in your head?
Are you truly insane or do you think that you're some master manipulator that can just spew diarrhea and everybody is too stupid to figure out what you're trying to do?
Can you point to the "diarrhea" being spewed?
Administering justice to a confirmed pedo is not murder.'
Killing someone because you don't like them is murder.
So only one of us would be guilty.
The fact that you think its "fantasy" that millions of rapes have occurred due to open borders is willfully ignorant of reality. No one says you have to live in the real world, you are welcome to live in a land where Trump is the origin of all things evil.
will25u said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
So do we really think if there was any real evidence of Trump involvement with Epstien's pedo world, this judge wouild rush it forward. as would the Florida one.
Put a bullet in the 'Epstein, Epstein, Epstein' hoax, and add to the it to the pile carcasses of all the others!
"only one thing is important!"
flown-the-coop said:Francis Macomber said:
Did you just say that you would murder somebody, then say I also would murder somebody, and then say I am sad and disgusting because of this fantasy you completely made-up in your head?
Are you truly insane or do you think that you're some master manipulator that can just spew diarrhea and everybody is too stupid to figure out what you're trying to do?
Can you point to the "diarrhea" being spewed?
Administering justice to a confirmed pedo is not murder.'
Killing someone because you don't like them is murder.
So only one of us would be guilty.
The fact that you think its "fantasy" that millions of rapes have occurred due to open borders is willfully ignorant of reality. No one says you have to live in the real world, you are welcome to live in a land where Trump is the origin of all things evil.
The problem with your whole entire premise is I've never once said I want to kill ANYBODY, much less Trump. You are the only one talking about killing people, you pyscho.
If he doesn't make a list, isn't that good?
Yukon Cornelius said:
lol no surprise Rosenberg…
Definitely Mossad. Next we will have Whoopi Goldberg also being Mossad.
OPAG said:will25u said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
So do we really think if there was any real evidence of Trump involvement with Epstien's pedo world, this judge wouild rush it forward. as would the Florida one.
Put a bullet in the 'Epstein, Epstein, Epstein' hoax, and it to the pile of all the others>
IF there was anything there against Trump, it would have been out LONG AGO.
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
For sure, 100%
Why did Epstein flee to Israel after his conviction? I bet you won't answer.
will25u said:OPAG said:will25u said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
So do we really think if there was any real evidence of Trump involvement with Epstien's pedo world, this judge wouild rush it forward. as would the Florida one.
Put a bullet in the 'Epstein, Epstein, Epstein' hoax, and it to the pile of all the others>
IF there was anything there against Trump, it would have been out LONG AGO.
Yep. I have no idea why people think otherwise.
Oh I thought I was pyscho because I am being real about the human trafficking and sex crimes ACTUALLY occurring now, versus tabloid fodder from 20+ years ago.
Its evident what your change of tone is intended to do. Deflect. Its not working.
I believe in just punishment for sex offenders. I support the death penalty for convicted pedophiles.
You support smearing people to ruin their lives via supposition and innuendo.
Maybe take some time to consider what you do and do not stand for before continuing your derail.
Back on topic, Trump continues to push for release of information. Couple judges seem to not want that to happen.
Its evident what your change of tone is intended to do. Deflect. Its not working.
I believe in just punishment for sex offenders. I support the death penalty for convicted pedophiles.
You support smearing people to ruin their lives via supposition and innuendo.
Maybe take some time to consider what you do and do not stand for before continuing your derail.
Back on topic, Trump continues to push for release of information. Couple judges seem to not want that to happen.
JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
No surprise to me there. Federal Rules are quite clear in that regard. Either a request to unseal GJ material falls into one a few exceptions, or it doesn't.
MouthBQ98 said:
It boggles my mind how invested some people are in the certainty of this conspiracy theory, but the desperation with which every hole or flaw in it is dismissed or rationalized away is even moreso.
...Because almost every statement labeled a conspiracy theory over the past several years seems to be proven true.
I personally don't care about it, any more than I care about JFK or aliens; however given the track record of "Conspiracy Theorists," over the last several years, you should probably trust them on Legal & Medical advice because they seem to be right allot.
aggiehawg said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
No surprise to me there. Federal Rules are quite clear in that regard. Either a request to unseal GJ material falls into one a few exceptions, or it doesn't.
And Bondi knew this. It's all just distractions. Like flow-the-coop trying to shift topic to border sex trafficking. The MAGA playbook.
Another interesting fact is that El Chapo was housed in same unit as Epstein couple months before his death. Just another detail making it unlikely that camera systems werent properly maintained.
The footage released wasnt even the entrance to the SHU, it was a different ancillary tier entrance. There is another similar camara on the entrance to Epstein's actual tier. That is still being withheld. Everyone just assumed we got conclusive footage of correct entrance. Send a journalist in there to document the cameras and layout.
Dozens of other puzzle peices make it almost certain homicide, not suicide.
The footage released wasnt even the entrance to the SHU, it was a different ancillary tier entrance. There is another similar camara on the entrance to Epstein's actual tier. That is still being withheld. Everyone just assumed we got conclusive footage of correct entrance. Send a journalist in there to document the cameras and layout.
Dozens of other puzzle peices make it almost certain homicide, not suicide.
Yukon Cornelius said:
Why did Epstein flee to Israel after his conviction? I bet you won't answer.
He's Jewish. Born to jewish parents who were immigrants or were children of immigrants from Poland and/or Russia.
I imagine he fled thinking he would have connections amongst the JEWISH community to take care of him. That would be wholly different than him being an agent of Mossad.
And are you really fleeing if you keep and use your passport whilst traveling?
I have someone very close to me who fled the country. He left his old identities behind. If Epstein was "fleeing", he was pretty bad at it.
Laughable... and derailing.
The more that filters out about Epstein, the more it shows it has little to do with Trump.
You think its simply coincidence these new photos and videos and such are being released? All of which are of questionably origin or simply regurgitated and repackaged old "news"?
I have also said, quite clearly and to the point you called me psycho, that Trump should be held accountable if that is where actual evidence points.
You simply want to deflect.
The more that filters out about Epstein, the more it shows it has little to do with Trump.
You think its simply coincidence these new photos and videos and such are being released? All of which are of questionably origin or simply regurgitated and repackaged old "news"?
I have also said, quite clearly and to the point you called me psycho, that Trump should be held accountable if that is where actual evidence points.
You simply want to deflect.
I don't give a damn if it has anything to do with Trump. He and our fearless leaders are and have been knowingly protecting pedos. It needs to stop.
To be fair regarding conspiracies suddenly turning out to be true, we went from Art Bell anything goes to the Dems doing anything to seize and hold power the last decade and that second sub category always had a much better chance of truth given how power hungry and narcissistic Democrats are now.
Francis Macomber said:aggiehawg said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
No surprise to me there. Federal Rules are quite clear in that regard. Either a request to unseal GJ material falls into one a few exceptions, or it doesn't.
And Bondi knew this. It's all just distractions. Like flow-the-coop trying to shift topic to border sex trafficking. The MAGA playbook.
So what is she supposed to do? There are, for better or worse, a lot court orders and seals around a lot of this stuff.
Trump or Bondi can't just 'open it up' judges orders be damned.
Not one time has Trump run over or disregarded a judges ruling, even when they were ridiculous and apparent that the judge was over stepping their authority.
In this case there is none of that.
So what do you want "MAGA" to do. And you have never answered the questions, Why didn't Biden DOJ ever even mention this. let alone look to bring to the light at all? Waiting for your answer on that?
MouthBQ98 said:
To be fair regarding conspiracies suddenly turning out to be true, we went from Art Bell anything goes to the Dems doing anything to seize and hold power the last decade and that second sub category always had a much better chance of truth given how power hungry and narcissistic Democrats are now.
It is sort of like how just last week you were saying that Trump and Epstein being good friends was false.
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To be fair, Trump appears to think they are trying to resurrect the old accusation that he was good friends with Epstein, and that is what he appears to be referring to as a hoax. He's understandably a little sensitive about false accusations.
Yeah, in the 90's…. Maybe into the early 2000's. Then Trump was told Epstein was hitting on and making suggestions to the daughter of one of his guests at the Mar and he dissociated himself with Epstein and banned him from the property. I'm pretty sure many of us have had friends at some point that we learned were not who we thought they were.
The controversy is that he was alleged to be good of close friends with Epstein, not just a social friend where they both liked to socialize with the same wealthy and famous crowds. They clearly had a falling out when Trump became aware he was a pretty bad guy later on.
Do you think Trump is now covering for Epstein after over a decade of dissociation with him?
The controversy is that he was alleged to be good of close friends with Epstein, not just a social friend where they both liked to socialize with the same wealthy and famous crowds. They clearly had a falling out when Trump became aware he was a pretty bad guy later on.
Do you think Trump is now covering for Epstein after over a decade of dissociation with him?
OPAG said:Francis Macomber said:aggiehawg said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
No surprise to me there. Federal Rules are quite clear in that regard. Either a request to unseal GJ material falls into one a few exceptions, or it doesn't.
And Bondi knew this. It's all just distractions. Like flow-the-coop trying to shift topic to border sex trafficking. The MAGA playbook.
So what is she supposed to do? There are, for better or worse, a lot court orders and seals around a lot of this stuff.
Trump or Bondi can't just 'open it up' judges orders be damned.
Not one time has Trump run over or disregarded a judges ruling, even when they were ridiculous and apparent that the judge was over stepping their authority.
In this case there is none of that.
So what do you want "MAGA" to do. And you have never answered the questions, Why didn't Biden DOJ ever even mention this. let alone look to bring to the light at all? Waiting for your answer on that?
Release the FBI Epstein files. The Grand Jury file is a completely separate thing and is NOT what everyone has been asking for the last several years. They're trying to confuse people like you into thinking the two things are the same thing when they most certainly are NOT.
They don't have to ask for any judges permission to release the investigation files that they are in possession and control of.
I don't know why Biden DOJ didn't do it.
Yes, if it will satiate this conspiracy theory madness for the love of all sanity, please release everything it is legal to release. It'll be the JFK files all over again, I am sure. People are still going to believe what they wish, evidence really doesn't matter.
Francis Macomber said:OPAG said:Francis Macomber said:aggiehawg said:JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025
No surprise to me there. Federal Rules are quite clear in that regard. Either a request to unseal GJ material falls into one a few exceptions, or it doesn't.
And Bondi knew this. It's all just distractions. Like flow-the-coop trying to shift topic to border sex trafficking. The MAGA playbook.
So what is she supposed to do? There are, for better or worse, a lot court orders and seals around a lot of this stuff.
Trump or Bondi can't just 'open it up' judges orders be damned.
Not one time has Trump run over or disregarded a judges ruling, even when they were ridiculous and apparent that the judge was over stepping their authority.
In this case there is none of that.
So what do you want "MAGA" to do. And you have never answered the questions, Why didn't Biden DOJ ever even mention this. let alone look to bring to the light at all? Waiting for your answer on that?
Release the FBI Epstein files. The Grand Jury file is a completely separate thing and is NOT what everyone has been asking for the last several years. They're trying to confuse people like you into thinking the two things are the same thing when they most certainly are NOT.
They don't have to ask for any judges permission to release the investigation files that they are in possession and control of.
I don't know why Biden DOJ didn't do it.
Bill Clinton and other prominent, establishment Democrats are in the files.
and other reports say they had a falling out over a the purchase of a piece of property. Epstein's brother was stated it was Epstein who stopped talking to him.
Either way it definitely wasn't a hoax they were not good friends.
edit to answer you question you edited in -
Do i think Trump is covering for Epstein? No. i think Trump is covering for Trump. I find hard to believe that Trump didn't know what Epstein was up to. It is well known that Trump engages in locker room talk and that what Epstein was wasn't exactly hidden. I find it hard to believe that Trump didn't know what his friend was up to.
Either way it definitely wasn't a hoax they were not good friends.
edit to answer you question you edited in -
Do i think Trump is covering for Epstein? No. i think Trump is covering for Trump. I find hard to believe that Trump didn't know what Epstein was up to. It is well known that Trump engages in locker room talk and that what Epstein was wasn't exactly hidden. I find it hard to believe that Trump didn't know what his friend was up to.
What time frame and what qualifies as good friend versus social acquaintance? I REALLY don't think Trump covering for Epstein in 2025 when the dude died in 2019 in prison for child porn and sexual assault. Surely one can assemble a timeline of Trump comments or social events with Epstein and get an idea when things went sour.
MouthBQ98 said:
What time frame and what qualifies as good friend versus social acquaintance? I REALLY don't think Trump covering for Epstein in 2025 when the dude died in 2019 in prison for child porn and sexual assault. Surely one can assemble a timeline of Trump comments or social events with Epstein and get an idea when things went sour.
When Trump kicked him out of Mar A Lago should be a start.
Epstein said he was Trump's closest friend for ten years.
EXCLUSIVE | Jeffrey Epstein described himself as Donald Trump’s “closest friend” and claimed intimate knowledge of his proclivity to cuckold his best friends according to explosive tapes recorded by author Michael Wolff.https://t.co/oiHGaFA2pD pic.twitter.com/EIkS08Y6BT
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) November 2, 2024
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