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It's OK to admit your theory has holes and is missing hard evidence so is still only a theory.

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Alex Acosta, the prosecutor who let Epstein off the hook in FL, admitted to the Trump transition team that he was told "Epstein belonged to intel". When asked about that specifically on July 10th, Acosta said "I cant address that due to DOJ guidlines". On July 19, Acosta resigned as Labor Sec due to the scrutiny around Epstein. On July 23rd, Esptein was found semi-conscious in his cell, assaulted with strangle bruises. On Aug 10, he was found strangled to death in his cell.

There is nothing theoretical about that, or the other dozen or so facts to corroborate Epstein ties to gov.

Mossad said Epstein wasnt working with them on "Blackmail" ops specifically. Our CIA has yet to comment, but my guess is they say Epstein was not an "asset" or "agent" or "working for" intel. Epstein was a co-operate who brokered deals and garnered fixes/favors internationally off the record in a way that makes it hard for anyone to find out. Its why you and others arent finding out in the way you naively think you should. You didnt know about Khashoggi's intel ties either, until it leaked and blew up with Iran Contra...Epstein was Khashoggi's money man on that deal.

There are tons of conclusive facts, so much so I think its likely the gov ultimately one day admits to loose ties to Epstein on classified "national security" matters, totally unrelated to child sex trafficking, while still maintaining his death was a suicide.

MouthBQ98 said:

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What time frame and what qualifies as good friend versus social acquaintance? I REALLY don't think Trump covering for Epstein in 2025 when the dude died in 2019 in prison for child porn and sexual assault. Surely one can assemble a timeline of Trump comments or social events with Epstein and get an idea when things went sour.

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Even if you don't believe the birthday card is real, Trump fly on his plane multiple times. Epstein was at Trumps wedding. They were photographed dozens of times together at each other homes. Trump provided a quote calling him a "terrific guy" and how he has know him for 15 years.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/22/politics/kfile-trump-epstein-photos-footage

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/18/how-well-did-trump-and-epstein-really-know-each-other-a-timeline

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's OK to admit your theory has holes and is missing hard evidence so is still only a theory.

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Alex Acosta, the prosecutor who let Epstein off the hook in FL, admitted to the Trump transition team that he was told "Epstein belonged to intel". When asked about that specifically on July 10th, Acosta said "I cant address that due to DOJ guidlines". On July 19, Acosta resigned as Labor Sec due to the scrutiny around Epstein. On July 23rd, Esptein was found semi-conscious in his cell, assaulted with strangle bruises. On Aug 10, he was found strangled to death in his cell.

There is nothing theoretical about that, or the other dozen or so facts to corroborate Epstein ties to gov.

Mossad said Epstein wasnt working with them on "Blackmail" ops specifically. Our CIA has yet to comment, but my guess is they say Epstein was not an "asset" or "agent" or "working for" intel. Epstein was a co-operate who brokered deals and garnered fixes/favors internationally off the record in a way that makes it hard for anyone to find out. Its why you and others arent finding out in the way you naively think you should. You didnt know about Khashoggi's intel ties either, until it leaked and blew up with Iran Contra...Epstein was Khashoggi's money man on that deal.

There are tons of conclusive facts, so much so I think its likely the gov ultimately one day admits to loose ties to Epstein on classified "national security" matters, totally unrelated to child sex trafficking, while still maintaining his death was a suicide.

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This...this thread gets more unhinged every day....The Epstein Files...the only place on the planet where the evidence at hand is not really evidence of anything and the evidence that no one has ever seen is conclusive proof of; well, I'm not really sure what it's conclusive proof of. The X files were clearer.

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JUST IN - U.S. District Judge Robin Rosenberg rejects DOJ bid to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts from Florida probe — Reuters pic.twitter.com/rCzI8aj0kU

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 23, 2025

No surprise to me there. Federal Rules are quite clear in that regard. Either a request to unseal GJ material falls into one a few exceptions, or it doesn't.

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And Bondi knew this. It's all just distractions. Like flow-the-coop trying to shift topic to border sex trafficking. The MAGA playbook.

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So what is she supposed to do? There are, for better or worse, a lot court orders and seals around a lot of this stuff.

Trump or Bondi can't just 'open it up' judges orders be damned.

Not one time has Trump run over or disregarded a judges ruling, even when they were ridiculous and apparent that the judge was over stepping their authority.

In this case there is none of that.

So what do you want "MAGA" to do. And you have never answered the questions, Why didn't Biden DOJ ever even mention this. let alone look to bring to the light at all? Waiting for your answer on that?

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Release the FBI Epstein files. The Grand Jury file is a completely separate thing and is NOT what everyone has been asking for the last several years. They're trying to confuse people like you into thinking the two things are the same thing when they most certainly are NOT.

They don't have to ask for any judges permission to release the investigation files that they are in possession and control of.

I don't know why Biden DOJ didn't do it.

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Bill Clinton and other prominent, establishment Democrats are in the files.

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I agree this is likely.

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This...this thread gets more unhinged every day....The Epstein Files...the only place on the planet where the evidence at hand is not really evidence of anything and the evidence that no one has ever seen is conclusive proof of; well, I'm not really sure what it's conclusive proof of. The X files were clearer.

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ttt

And what if that is true, Not saying it is. Trump wasn't in government, He had really no authority to do anything, He did make a few comments publicly.

So Trump is not covering for Trump because Trump wouldn't have been involved in a cover up because until 2016 he wasn't in any sort of authority to covering any thing up.

Its pretty ironic that people here are quick acknowledge the lengths the feds went to covertly execute a coup against Trump, and lie to public. Yet, the notion that the Feds would facilitate intl' deals thru Epstein is flipantly written off as wild tin foil hat nonsense.

As soon as Trump blasted his supporters and the left wing media ran BS stories on bday card "secrets", the NPC sheep fell in line. Throwing the baby out with the bath water, just like the feds want.

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They don't have to ask for any judges permission to release the investigation files that they are in possession and control of.

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So you could care less about the total destruction of someone's life for just having some business dealing with Epstein? And that is exactly what will happen.

Guilt by association will be very rampant here. There is such a frenzy over this now.

I am quite sure that Trump has nothing personal to worry about with the release. In fact it would exonerate him, while creating quite a hornets nest for many others and yea there could be intel assets involved.

It's just a bit hypocritcal to hammer Trump and Bondi and give Biden and Co a free pass. Why is that?

Regarding the comments about why the files weren't released under Biden and why people are clamoring for more information under Trump, it seems that people are overlooking a few key points.

First, the primary thesis from most skeptics about the Epstein case has been that BOTH sides were involved or aware of wrongdoing. Therefore, neither side would release the full extent of the information/file/client list/whatever. It's clear that Bill Clinton was extremely close with the guy, and at the end of the day, if it goes deeper than that, if they took Trump down, it would take down a lot of people on the left. The idea is that both sides are working to cover things up to avoid mutually assured destruction.

As for why people are clamoring for information more seriously than when Biden was in office, it should be fairly clear why that is. 1. Trump discussed releasing the files while campaign, so did his son, so did JD Vance, and so did a number of other conservatives. Dan Bongino and Kash Patel were WILDLY conspiratorial with their coverage of the Epstein case when they were podcasters. They hyped this up, so of course, many people bought into those conspiracies and expected transparency. 2. They hyped it even further when they invited a ton of influencers to the White House and made a show of handing out "Phase One" of the Epstein Files. On top of that, Bondi's mention of having the list on her desk and Patel's odd appearance on Rogan. 3. There is a clear effort to withhold information in a way that does not come across as transparent at all. The initial release from the DOJ a few weeks ago was pretty bare bones, the videotape that proved nothing and was edited, and then the allegation that this is all a conspiracy created by Obama.

So, of course, people are upset because they feel like they were duped.

I hear what some of you are saying about evidence, and so many things being circumstantial, but at the end of the day, how much of the evidence from the government can you trust wholeheartedly? These people police themselves and will never tell the full truth unless it benefits them. The government has lied to us and green-lit the loss of American lives during Vietnam, the opioid crisis, COVID, etc. Why would they be forthcoming here? If there is more to this, we will likely never know the full extent of the depravity. It is unfortunate that so many people want others to simply shut up and move on when it seems fairly clear that the government is being deceitful.

Attorney General Pam Bondi informed the president back in May that his name appeared in the documents, senior officials told the Wall Street Journal.

Read more: https://t.co/g2Z5ApPoA0

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) July 23, 2025

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Regarding the comments about why the files weren't released under Biden and why people are clamoring for more information under Trump, it seems that people are overlooking a few key points.

First, the primary thesis from most skeptics about the Epstein case has been that BOTH sides were involved or aware of wrongdoing. Therefore, neither side would release the full extent of the information/file/client list/whatever. It's clear that Bill Clinton was extremely close with the guy, and at the end of the day, if it goes deeper than that, if they took Trump down, it would take down a lot of people on the left. The idea is that both sides are working to cover things up to avoid mutually assured destruction.

As for why people are clamoring for information more seriously than when Biden was in office, it should be fairly clear why that is. 1. Trump discussed releasing the files while campaign, so did his son, so did JD Vance, and so did a number of other conservatives. Dan Bongino and Kash Patel were WILDLY conspiratorial with their coverage of the Epstein case when they were podcasters. They hyped this up, so of course, many people bought into those conspiracies and expected transparency. 2. They hyped it even further when they invited a ton of influencers to the White House and made a show of handing out "Phase One" of the Epstein Files. On top of that, Bondi's mention of having the list on her desk and Patel's odd appearance on Rogan. 3. There is a clear effort to withhold information in a way that does not come across as transparent at all. The initial release from the DOJ a few weeks ago was pretty bare bones, the videotape that proved nothing and was edited, and then the allegation that this is all a conspiracy created by Obama.

So, of course, people are upset because they feel like they were duped.

I hear what some of you are saying about evidence, and so many things being circumstantial, but at the end of the day, how much of the evidence from the government can you trust wholeheartedly? These people police themselves and will never tell the full truth unless it benefits them. The government has lied to us and green-lit the loss of American lives during Vietnam, the opioid crisis, COVID, etc. Why would they be forthcoming here? If there is more to this, we will likely never know the full extent of the depravity. It is unfortunate that so many people want others to simply shut up and move on when it seems fairly clear that the government is being deceitful.

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Great post buddy. 99% of the posts on this thread after the first few pages have turned into exactly what the ruling class wants it to. Arguing with each other because of the color of our jerseys while the team owners are sharing a steak in the Owner's Suite of the stadium.

We can thank the puppets on both sides for that.

Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt.

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They don't have to ask for any judges permission to release the investigation files that they are in possession and control of.

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So you could care less about the total destruction of someone's life for just having some business dealing with Epstein? And that is exactly what will happen.

Guilt by association will be very rampant here. There is such a frenzy over this now.

I am quite sure that Trump has nothing personal to worry about with the release. In fact it would exonerate him, while creating quite a hornets nest for many others and yea there could be intel assets involved.

It's just a bit hypocritcal to hammer Trump and Bondi and give Biden and Co a free pass. Why is that?

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If the concern is guilt by association, and Trump was very clearly associated with the guy, how would the release exonerate him and create undue issues for others?

Trump's life hasn't been ruined because of this...he was known to have associated with Epstein, and was elected President again!! Bill Clinton is fine. Elon Musk is fine. Peter Thiel is fine. Bill Gates is fine. And so on and so on.

The only person affiliated with Epstein who has been ruined as a result of this is Prince Andrew, and that is because it seems to be pretty apparent that he was up to some sick stuff.

I don't think the general public would tear someone down for merely knowing the guy unless there was something damning attached to that, i.e., extended stays at his properties, appearances on his flight logs, something pointing toward involvement with children.

The idea that this is all being withheld to protect people from being unfairly judged seems ridiculous to me.

Just here to say…..

Hahahahahahahahahaha

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Zachary Klement said:

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Regarding the comments about why the files weren't released under Biden and why people are clamoring for more information under Trump, it seems that people are overlooking a few key points.

First, the primary thesis from most skeptics about the Epstein case has been that BOTH sides were involved or aware of wrongdoing. Therefore, neither side would release the full extent of the information/file/client list/whatever. It's clear that Bill Clinton was extremely close with the guy, and at the end of the day, if it goes deeper than that, if they took Trump down, it would take down a lot of people on the left. The idea is that both sides are working to cover things up to avoid mutually assured destruction.

As for why people are clamoring for information more seriously than when Biden was in office, it should be fairly clear why that is. 1. Trump discussed releasing the files while campaign, so did his son, so did JD Vance, and so did a number of other conservatives. Dan Bongino and Kash Patel were WILDLY conspiratorial with their coverage of the Epstein case when they were podcasters. They hyped this up, so of course, many people bought into those conspiracies and expected transparency. 2. They hyped it even further when they invited a ton of influencers to the White House and made a show of handing out "Phase One" of the Epstein Files. On top of that, Bondi's mention of having the list on her desk and Patel's odd appearance on Rogan. 3. There is a clear effort to withhold information in a way that does not come across as transparent at all. The initial release from the DOJ a few weeks ago was pretty bare bones, the videotape that proved nothing and was edited, and then the allegation that this is all a conspiracy created by Obama.

So, of course, people are upset because they feel like they were duped.

I hear what some of you are saying about evidence, and so many things being circumstantial, but at the end of the day, how much of the evidence from the government can you trust wholeheartedly? These people police themselves and will never tell the full truth unless it benefits them. The government has lied to us and green-lit the loss of American lives during Vietnam, the opioid crisis, COVID, etc. Why would they be forthcoming here? If there is more to this, we will likely never know the full extent of the depravity. It is unfortunate that so many people want others to simply shut up and move on when it seems fairly clear that the government is being deceitful.

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Great post buddy. 99% of the posts on this thread after the first few pages have turned into exactly what the ruling class wants it to. Arguing with each other because of the color of our jerseys while the team owners are sharing a steak in the Owner's Suite of the stadium.

We can thank the puppets on both sides for that.

Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt.

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Appreciate it!

People need to continue to demand information on this, but I fear it will die down and be forgotten.

Blue Anon believers are as bad as Qanon

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Blue Anon believers are as bad as Qanon

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What do you mean exactly?

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Blue Anon believers are as bad as Qanon

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Who are you referring to?

There are a lot of coincidental details In the Epstein saga. Some are really coincidental and some are not. As far as Trump being involved, No conclusive evidence. In my life I have had a couple of good friends that became involved in questionable endeavors, personal and in business. My personal response was to put some distance in the friendship. Still casually polite, friendly greetings, talk about doing something together in the future, but never acting on it. We drifted apart over time. Knew something was not quite right and did not want to be a part in any form or fashion. It finally caught up to one and they committed suicide much like Epstein before prosecution. I suspect than it may be the same with Trump and Epstein. Would it surprise me if some movers and shakers were involved,no. Would it surprise me if intelligence agencies were involved,no. I do think the way that this administration has handled the situation is poor. There are daily or weekly revelations that only add to the conspiracy theory. I do think that it will persist. JFK conspiracy theories still survive after 60 years.

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and other reports say they had a falling out over a the purchase of a piece of property. Epstein's brother was stated it was Epstein who stopped talking to him.

Either way it definitely wasn't a hoax they were not good friends.

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Do i think Trump is covering for Epstein? No. i think Trump is covering for Trump. I find hard to believe that Trump didn't know what Epstein was up to. It is well known that Trump engages in locker room talk and that what Epstein was wasn't exactly hidden. I find it hard to believe that Trump didn't know what his friend was up to.

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Just a point of clarification. The sexual assault of minors isn't considered locker room talk. There is a very good chance that Trump didn't know what Epstein was up to until the supposed Mar a Lago incident.

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99% of the posts on this thread after the first few pages have turned into exactly what the ruling class wants it to. Arguing with each other because of the color of our jerseys while the team owners are sharing a steak in the Owner's Suite of the stadium.

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Yep, just like we never got answers on how a manufactured virus escaped a lab, killing millions. It became a political topic, 99% of the time it was double maskers vs activaxxers. No demand for root cause analysis. China and US GoF enablers totally let off the hook.

The 2 herds of sheep are wandering aimlessly wherever their editorialized cable news program tells them to go. Birthday cards "secrets" and "client lists". Nothing about how Epstein amassed Khashoggi type wealth and power.

I will keep bumping this thread and I don't care at all about jersey colors

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FWTXAg said:

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99% of the posts on this thread after the first few pages have turned into exactly what the ruling class wants it to. Arguing with each other because of the color of our jerseys while the team owners are sharing a steak in the Owner's Suite of the stadium.

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Yep, just like we never got answers on how a manufactured virus escaped a lab, killing millions. It became a political topic, 99% of the time it was double maskers vs activaxxers. No demand for root cause analysis. China and US GoF enablers totally let off the hook.

The 2 herds of sheep are wandering aimlessly wherever their editorialized cable news program tells them to go.

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Agreed in part. In reality, it is not even listening to what the news programs are telling them to because every Conservative news program and influencer is sounding alarm bells on Epstein right now very heavily. What both sides do in reality is simply defending their Chosen Ones.

On the left the chosen one is wokeness, weaponized compassion, socialization of outcomes, and Anti-Normalcy.

On the right, at this moment, it is strictly Donald Trump.

MouthBQ98 said:

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What time frame and what qualifies as good friend versus social acquaintance? I REALLY don't think Trump covering for Epstein in 2025 when the dude died in 2019 in prison for child porn and sexual assault. Surely one can assemble a timeline of Trump comments or social events with Epstein and get an idea when things went sour.

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Everyone knew what Epstein was up to. He didn't nickname his plane the Lolita Express- others who hung out with him did.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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What time frame and what qualifies as good friend versus social acquaintance? I REALLY don't think Trump covering for Epstein in 2025 when the dude died in 2019 in prison for child porn and sexual assault. Surely one can assemble a timeline of Trump comments or social events with Epstein and get an idea when things went sour.

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Everyone knew what Epstein was up to. He didn't nickname his plane the Lolita Express- others who hung out with him did.

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https://www.independentsentinel.com/cindy-mccain-knew-all-about-jeffrey-epstein-everyone-did/

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MouthBQ98 said:

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What time frame and what qualifies as good friend versus social acquaintance? I REALLY don't think Trump covering for Epstein in 2025 when the dude died in 2019 in prison for child porn and sexual assault. Surely one can assemble a timeline of Trump comments or social events with Epstein and get an idea when things went sour.

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Everyone knew what Epstein was up to. He didn't nickname his plane the Lolita Express- others who hung out with him did.

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Is that the same plane Trump was on when he flew with Epstein?

House Panel Moves to Subpoena Clintons in Epstein Investigation https://t.co/yRkZxlXtf7

— The Gateway Pundit (@gatewaypundit) July 23, 2025

Meh. Gonna be a bunch of Ken Paxtoning of subpoenas

If true, it just goes to show no one wants to get to the bottom of this Epstein stuff. Neither side does.

COVERUP: Not a single state or federal prosecutor, including Maureen Comey, ever bothered to interview Ghislaine Maxwell. If you needed proof the deep state didn’t want to investigate Epstein, look no further. https://t.co/SB4ictcBWU pic.twitter.com/3efVfoIQYq

— @amuse (@amuse) July 23, 2025

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If true, it just goes to show no one wants to get to the bottom of this Epstein stuff. Neither side does.

COVERUP: Not a single state or federal prosecutor, including Maureen Comey, ever bothered to interview Ghislaine Maxwell. If you needed proof the deep state didn’t want to investigate Epstein, look no further. https://t.co/SB4ictcBWU pic.twitter.com/3efVfoIQYq

— @amuse (@amuse) July 23, 2025

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Right. Where have you been?

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lol no surprise Rosenberg…

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Because her last name is Rosenberg?

What makes this situation so insane is that for years people have carried on about how important these files/client list are and how so many people are going down.

It turns out the most powerful person in theworld is somehow mentioned and or involved in this muck and folks now want to forget it? WTF is going on?

As things continue to heat up with Epstein… it’s important to remember In 2009, Donald Trump was praised by Epstein victims’ attorney Brad Edwards for being the ONLY Subpoenaed individual to willingly provide helpful information in his case against Jeffrey Epstein.

This… https://t.co/NziIDVOd8n pic.twitter.com/wSuNLjjqfN

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) July 23, 2025

I’m told there is a whistleblower provided recording of the conspirators planning the Epstein birthday card story and demanding the story break BEFORE Director Tulsi Gabbard released the details of how in 2016, intelligence was politicized and weaponized by the most powerful… https://t.co/Fyax0lJjhb pic.twitter.com/KNrK7edVko

— Tony Seruga (@TonySeruga) July 23, 2025

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What makes this situation so insane is that for years people have carried on about how important these files/client list are and how so many people are down.

It turns out the most powerful person inthe world is somehow mentioned and or involved in this muck and folks now want to forget it? WTF is going on?

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It's because they're in a cult and can't think clearly