PaulsBunions said:

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Supposedly that was in an email from the WH Correspondent to NBC

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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annie88 said:

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These people have had decades to come out about this. Why didn't they before now.?

I'm not saying they don't have a right to, but after what we saw happened to Kavanaugh and Eugene and Carol is just hard to trust with a lot of people say now.

Both of those stories were complete made up bull*****

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The idea is that they feared for their lives. Epstein was connected to political leaders around the globe, bankers, billionaires, thought leaders, etc.

If some of the most powerful people in the world on both sides of the aisle were implicated, it shouldn't be a far stretch to think that victims could be suicided if they threatened to speak out.

Like Virginia Guiffre, who posted publicly that she was not suicidal before later dying by suicide.

Not saying that any of that is true, but it seems like a plausible explanation. On top of that, it is now more socially acceptable to be open about having dealt with trauma of that nature than in the past.

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OK. So why are POLITICIANS more concerned about this now? They seem to be the one driving this bus; not the victims.

Epstein died in 2019. Why did politicians wait until 2025 to get excited about this?

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Zachary Klement said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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annie88 said:

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These people have had decades to come out about this. Why didn't they before now.?

I'm not saying they don't have a right to, but after what we saw happened to Kavanaugh and Eugene and Carol is just hard to trust with a lot of people say now.

Both of those stories were complete made up bull*****

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The idea is that they feared for their lives. Epstein was connected to political leaders around the globe, bankers, billionaires, thought leaders, etc.

If some of the most powerful people in the world on both sides of the aisle were implicated, it shouldn't be a far stretch to think that victims could be suicided if they threatened to speak out.

Like Virginia Guiffre, who posted publicly that she was not suicidal before later dying by suicide.

Not saying that any of that is true, but it seems like a plausible explanation. On top of that, it is now more socially acceptable to be open about having dealt with trauma of that nature than in the past.

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OK. So why are POLITICIANS more concerned about this now? They seem to be the one driving this bus; not the victims.

Epstein died in 2019. Why did politicians wait until 2025 to get excited about this?

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A lot of it has to do with people within the Trump administration building it up.

- He brought in podcasters to make a show out of handing out "Phase I" of the files.

- He decided to pull Boungino and Patel, who very strongly promulgated the idea that Epstein did not commit suicide.

- Trump put Bondi in place, who has been all over the place in the way she has communicated about the Epstein files.

- Trump, his son, and JD Vance all discussed this on the campaign trail.

- Trump hired Elon Musk, who then said that Trump is in the files and that is why they are not being released.

That is just off the top of my head, and I am sure there is more, but that should help summarize why this is such a big point of focus. Trump and his people helped give it new life, then they ran from it, and now people are questioning WTF happened. This probably would have died out had Trump had different people around him, honestly.

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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annie88 said:

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These people have had decades to come out about this. Why didn't they before now.?

I'm not saying they don't have a right to, but after what we saw happened to Kavanaugh and Eugene and Carol is just hard to trust with a lot of people say now.

Both of those stories were complete made up bull*****

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The idea is that they feared for their lives. Epstein was connected to political leaders around the globe, bankers, billionaires, thought leaders, etc.

If some of the most powerful people in the world on both sides of the aisle were implicated, it shouldn't be a far stretch to think that victims could be suicided if they threatened to speak out.

Like Virginia Guiffre, who posted publicly that she was not suicidal before later dying by suicide.

Not saying that any of that is true, but it seems like a plausible explanation. On top of that, it is now more socially acceptable to be open about having dealt with trauma of that nature than in the past.

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OK. So why are POLITICIANS more concerned about this now? They seem to be the one driving this bus; not the victims.

Epstein died in 2019. Why did politicians wait until 2025 to get excited about this?

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A lot of it has to do with people within the Trump administration building it up.

- He brought in podcasters to make a show out of handing out "Phase I" of the files.

- He decided to pull Boungino and Patel, who very strongly promulgated the idea that Epstein did not commit suicide.

- Trump put Bondi in place, who has been all over the place in the way she has communicated about the Epstein files.

- Trump, his son, and JD Vance all discussed this on the campaign trail.

- Trump hired Elon Musk, who then said that Trump is in the files and that is why they are not being released.

That is just off the top of my head, and I am sure there is more, but that should help summarize why this is such a big point of focus. Trump and his people helped give it new life, then they ran from it, and now people are questioning WTF happened. This probably would have died out had Trump had different people around him, honestly.

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Maybe. But IMO, many are still clinging to hope that Trump is somehow implicated. That's their motivation. When it's clear he's not, or it would have come out years ago.

We'll see what happens next.

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.@RepThomasMassie (R-KY): "I don't know if that's precedented in this country to have a president call legislators to say that they're engaged in a hostile act, particularly when the so-called hostile act is trying to get justice for people who've been victims of sex crimes." pic.twitter.com/Y1BaAQRiO8

— CSPAN (@cspan) September 3, 2025

Zachary Klement said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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annie88 said:

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These people have had decades to come out about this. Why didn't they before now.?

I'm not saying they don't have a right to, but after what we saw happened to Kavanaugh and Eugene and Carol is just hard to trust with a lot of people say now.

Both of those stories were complete made up bull*****

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The idea is that they feared for their lives. Epstein was connected to political leaders around the globe, bankers, billionaires, thought leaders, etc.

If some of the most powerful people in the world on both sides of the aisle were implicated, it shouldn't be a far stretch to think that victims could be suicided if they threatened to speak out.

Like Virginia Guiffre, who posted publicly that she was not suicidal before later dying by suicide.

Not saying that any of that is true, but it seems like a plausible explanation. On top of that, it is now more socially acceptable to be open about having dealt with trauma of that nature than in the past.

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OK. So why are POLITICIANS more concerned about this now? They seem to be the one driving this bus; not the victims.

Epstein died in 2019. Why did politicians wait until 2025 to get excited about this?

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A lot of it has to do with people within the Trump administration building it up.

- He brought in podcasters to make a show out of handing out "Phase I" of the files.

- He decided to pull Boungino and Patel, who very strongly promulgated the idea that Epstein did not commit suicide.

- Trump put Bondi in place, who has been all over the place in the way she has communicated about the Epstein files.

- Trump, his son, and JD Vance all discussed this on the campaign trail.

- Trump hired Elon Musk, who then said that Trump is in the files and that is why they are not being released.

That is just off the top of my head, and I am sure there is more, but that should help summarize why this is such a big point of focus. Trump and his people helped give it new life, then they ran from it, and now people are questioning WTF happened. This probably would have died out had Trump had different people around him, honestly.

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Maybe. But IMO, many are still clinging to hope that Trump is somehow implicated. That's their motivation. When it's clear he's not, or it would have come out years ago.

We'll see what happens next.

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I do not think Trump is involved in the pedo stuff.

But if he were, I don't think there's any guarantee it would've been released already. Again, there are assertions that people on both sides of the aisle in our government, other governments, billionaires, etc. are wrapped up in this.

I'd think both sides would be interested in avoiding mutually assured destruction.

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Thomas Massie joined forces with #MeToo attorney Gloria Allred in a calculated attempt to smear President Trump and falsely imply he’s covering up for Epstein.

Their plan backfired when victims confirmed they never saw or heard of Trump engaging in any inappropriate or illegal… https://t.co/usTeSHJjP2

— Alex Bruesewitz 🇺🇸 (@alexbruesewitz) September 3, 2025

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Deerdude said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Queso1 said:

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The Independent did.

Man..the more this goes on and the more Trump stalls, the worst it looks. If he's not involved, just release the files.

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If Trump has nothing to hide, or no one to protect, it doesn't make sense why he would release the files.

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Wrong. There are millions of whiney folks out there and Trump loves getting under your skin. Works every time

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So Trump is not wanting the truth to come out to get under people's skin?

You think that's how the victims should be treated?

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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annie88 said:

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These people have had decades to come out about this. Why didn't they before now.?

I'm not saying they don't have a right to, but after what we saw happened to Kavanaugh and Eugene and Carol is just hard to trust with a lot of people say now.

Both of those stories were complete made up bull*****

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The idea is that they feared for their lives. Epstein was connected to political leaders around the globe, bankers, billionaires, thought leaders, etc.

If some of the most powerful people in the world on both sides of the aisle were implicated, it shouldn't be a far stretch to think that victims could be suicided if they threatened to speak out.

Like Virginia Guiffre, who posted publicly that she was not suicidal before later dying by suicide.

Not saying that any of that is true, but it seems like a plausible explanation. On top of that, it is now more socially acceptable to be open about having dealt with trauma of that nature than in the past.

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OK. So why are POLITICIANS more concerned about this now? They seem to be the one driving this bus; not the victims.

Epstein died in 2019. Why did politicians wait until 2025 to get excited about this?

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A lot of it has to do with people within the Trump administration building it up.

- He brought in podcasters to make a show out of handing out "Phase I" of the files.

- He decided to pull Boungino and Patel, who very strongly promulgated the idea that Epstein did not commit suicide.

- Trump put Bondi in place, who has been all over the place in the way she has communicated about the Epstein files.

- Trump, his son, and JD Vance all discussed this on the campaign trail.

- Trump hired Elon Musk, who then said that Trump is in the files and that is why they are not being released.

That is just off the top of my head, and I am sure there is more, but that should help summarize why this is such a big point of focus. Trump and his people helped give it new life, then they ran from it, and now people are questioning WTF happened. This probably would have died out had Trump had different people around him, honestly.

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Maybe. But IMO, many are still clinging to hope that Trump is somehow implicated. That's their motivation. When it's clear he's not, or it would have come out years ago.

We'll see what happens next.

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I do not think Trump is involved in the pedo stuff.

But if he were, I don't think there's any guarantee it would've been released already. Again, there are assertions that people on both sides of the aisle in our government, other governments, billionaires, etc. are wrapped up in this.

I'd think both sides would be interested in avoiding mutually assured destruction.

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Agree to disagree. Others have done anything and everything they could think of to stop Trump. If there was a factual connection to wrongdoing here, it would have come out years ago.

Back to football ...

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Secolobo said:

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Thomas Massie joined forces with #MeToo attorney Gloria Allred in a calculated attempt to smear President Trump and falsely imply he’s covering up for Epstein.

Their plan backfired when victims confirmed they never saw or heard of Trump engaging in any inappropriate or illegal… https://t.co/usTeSHJjP2

— Alex Bruesewitz 🇺🇸 (@alexbruesewitz) September 3, 2025

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Burpelson said:

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It's the Money Trail that scares the living Hell out of these people in power.

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Zachary Klement said:

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RogerFurlong said:

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Have any of the survivors wrote a book or done an interview where they say exactly what happened and with who? There's millions to be made if they would release a podcast at least. Just tell us what happened and who did it. All this press conference without going into every detail makes me think it wasn't as bad as I thought.

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Yikes. Only to be told their stories are fake because they just wanted a book/cast deal.

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If these people really got raped as children, they would have found a way to profit from it! Brilliant!

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Reminder:

Democrat sleaze bag lawyer Gloria Allred’s daughter Lisa Bloom was caught trying to pay women millions to falsely accuse Donald Trump of sexual assault.

Don’t let the Media act like this never happened.

Now she’s representing Epstein victims?

Another scam. pic.twitter.com/0J4rjyZvLj

— C3 (@C_3C_3) September 3, 2025

Deerdude said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Deerdude said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Queso1 said:

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The Independent did.

Man..the more this goes on and the more Trump stalls, the worst it looks. If he's not involved, just release the files.

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If Trump has nothing to hide, or no one to protect, it doesn't make sense why he would release the files.

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Wrong. There are millions of whiney folks out there and Trump loves getting under your skin. Works every time

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So Trump is not wanting the truth to come out to get under people's skin?

You think that's how the victims should be treated?

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Different skin, dude. You are the whiney one, but you are speaking about perps. Apples and oranges.

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aginlakeway said:

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OK. So why are POLITICIANS more concerned about this now? They seem to be the one driving this bus; not the victims.

Epstein died in 2019. Why did politicians wait until 2025 to get excited about this?

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Few people had as much insight into Epstein's lifestyle and its international reach as Virginia Roberts. By age 16, Roberts had lived a life that was beyond that of most high school girls. At 11, she says, she was sexually molested by a family friend. At 12, she was smoking pot and skipping school. At 13, she was in and out of foster homes, and at 14, she was on the street. In Miami, the runaway became a captive of a 65-year-old sex trafficker, Ron Eppinger. For months, she says, she was sexually abused, kept in an apartment and pimped out to pedophiles. After his indictment in 2000 on trafficking charges, Roberts returned to West Palm Beach and tried to heal. Virginia Roberts says she was used as a sex slave for Jeffrey Epstein for years starting at the age of 16. Roberts says that Epstein also lent her out to some of his wealthy, powerful acquaintances for sex. Courtesy of Virginia Roberts That summer, when Roberts was 16, she said her father helped her get a job as a locker room attendant at the spa at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, records show. Her father worked at the resort as a maintenance man.

There she said she met Ghislaine Maxwell, an Epstein friend and socialite daughter of the late British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell. She offered Roberts an opportunity to become a massage therapist, working for Epstein. In a sworn court affidavit and in a recent interview with the Herald, Roberts described how Epstein and Maxwell began grooming her not just to perform massages, but to sexually pleasure them and others. "It started with one and it trickled into two and so on,'' Roberts told the Herald. "And before you know it, I'm being lent out to politicians and academics and royalty.'' Roberts, too, was ordered to find Epstein girls the younger, the better by trolling areas where teenagers congregated, such as shopping malls, to lure girls to whatever residence Epstein was staying in at the time, she told the Herald. She began to travel with Epstein and Maxwell to Epstein's other homes, in New York, New Mexico and the U.S. Virgin Islands and her trips are documented in flight logs that frequently list her name or her initials as a passenger, court records show.

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RogerFurlong said:

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Or they can just protect the people that did it by not telling what happened. "They have the files that say what I told them, I can't believe they won't tell you what I told them." It just doesn't make sense.

I want to know what happened but if Trump does release everything, victim names and all, the Democrats will just move on to the next reason to impeach him. You can't let the democrats have the power to run the executive branch through the media hounding them on twitter all day and night.

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flown-the-coop said:

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RogerFurlong said:

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Or they can just protect the people that did it by not telling what happened. "They have the files that say what I told them, I can't believe they won't tell you what I told them." It just doesn't make sense.

I want to know what happened but if Trump does release everything, victim names and all, the Democrats will just move on to the next reason to impeach him. You can't let the democrats have the power to run the executive branch through the media hounding them on twitter all day and night.

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This keeps getting lost on this thread. Not just Dems that wont let it go, but TDSers, CMs and many of those who may have voted for Trump but still yearn for a good reason to hate him.

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PaulsBunions said:

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.@RepThomasMassie (R-KY): "I don't know if that's precedented in this country to have a president call legislators to say that they're engaged in a hostile act, particularly when the so-called hostile act is trying to get justice for people who've been victims of sex crimes." pic.twitter.com/Y1BaAQRiO8

— CSPAN (@cspan) September 3, 2025

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Farmer_J said:

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LOL. political theater. Nothing more.

He's no better than democrats raising this issue now. Its so obvious it's laughable. Sad that another R gets exposed as a never trumper, open borders fraud.

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Farmer_J said:

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LOL. political theater. Nothing more.

He's no better than democrats raising this issue now. Its so obvious it's laughable. Sad that another R gets exposed as a never trumper, open borders fraud.

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Heck yeah. Marjorie Taylor Green is top of mind when I think of a Never Trumper.

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flown-the-coop said:

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FWTXAg said:

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Farmer_J said:

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LOL. political theater. Nothing more.

He's no better than democrats raising this issue now. Its so obvious it's laughable. Sad that another R gets exposed as a never trumper, open borders fraud.

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Heck yeah. Marjorie Taylor Green is top of mind when I think of a Never Trumper.

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MTG and Massie are insecure and attention seeking *****s. They cannot stand that with Trump in office they cannot get a spotlight on them, so they are getting desperate. This just happens to be another thing they can grandstand on.

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Urban Ag said:

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I think Trump simply doesn't know how to handle this. Of course Bondi doesn't either.

To me the only explanation is that Epstein was in fact an intelligence asset. Likely for the US, UK, and Israel. As bad as the crimes were, this goes well beyond rich guys that like teen girls. A full dump of all files without redaction would show that our government was well aware that Epstein was procuring underage girls for sex. And this went on across at least four US administrations.

What if the CIA pursued Epstein from the start knowing he was a pedo. Because he was a rich, connected, pervert.

Our own government has done some really bad things at times for various reasons. Some justified. Some not. Torturing a terrorist is one thing. Allowing teenage girls to be raped is another. The fallout would be nuclear.

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FIDO_Ags said:

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White House: It's a hoax

Also White House: this is a hostile act against the WH.

The mere fact that Epstein & Maxwell were incarcerated for sex crimes dismisses the hoax idea.

So it must be a hostile act, in which case, there is something to hide. It isn't any harder than that and lots of words won't change it.

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shiftyandquick said:

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It's just amazing how fast MAGA flipped from "Epstein didn't kill himself" to "the whole thing is a hoax, and the records must never be released."

They love Trump so much they will even protect the act of sexual abuse against children. Very sad.

I imagine there are a tiny few for whom this was a breaking point, but I've not encountered a single person IRL or in my social media feeds who has changed views over this. Their worship knows no limits. We see what a true cult looks like.

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We have 214 signatures on the discharge petition to force a vote on a bill to release the Epstein files.

I’m 99% certain we’ll get 218. At that point @SpeakerJohnson may try to change the rules of the House, but chair of Rules Committee says she won’t!https://t.co/pNOyAvKH6x

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) September 4, 2025